favorit Distributor shaft(ed)

ffcat · 12-03-2008, 00:13

I can turn my rotor arm round and round with my fingers! the arms firmly located into the top of he shaft but the shaft is free to turn in many circles.seems like buggerd gears .do you know if a fabia dizzy would fit? ( I can find them in breakers yards, favorits are like hens teeth)..any ideas how I go about retiming the ignition?..Is my luvverly skodder dead?.. I'll rip it all apart ..ahem.. carefully dismantle in the morning and see whats left at the bottom end..

anewman · 12-03-2008, 06:08

What year is your Favorit? AFAIK carbed and injection distributors are different. An early felicia one might fit.

IIRC it's 2 bolts front and back and the whole lot including the retainer withdraws. If you can get the gear back in exactly how it came out timing would be perfect, but it looks like this isn't going to be possible. If it's injected I believe have some electronic wizardry to advance and retard the ignition, but I imagine you can get it reasonably correct with the crankshaft timing marks and having the rotor arm pointing in the first position. If you have a carbed Favorit I imagine you'd need a timing gun.

anewman · 12-03-2008, 06:25

Skoda Favorit Pre 1993 Distributor-BRAND NEW on eBay, also, Skoda, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 26-Mar-08 17:21:12 GMT) pre 93

I imagine a 94 onwards injection one would cost around £30 at a dealers.

shytot · 12-03-2008, 17:05

Removing a non-broken dizzy if quite easy - just undo the obvious bolts and pull it out. Before doing this it really, really helps if you set the engine at TDC (top dead centre) with No1 piston on the compression stroke (both valves closed - both rockers level. Need to remove rocker cover to check this). However, removing a broken dizzy might be more complicated as bits may have fallen off inside the engine... The only way to get the bits back is to remove the sump, then the oil pump & gears, bottom crank pulley and the timing cover. Not as bad as it sounds and whilst you're in there you may as well fit a new timing chain as they are a bit of a weak link in Favorits. My timing chain was absolutely paggered at 70k miles.
I suggest that your first step is to remove the dizzy out and see how much of it left. If the gear is still on the end you may be in luck and find that the gear's locating pin has sheared. If the gear is not on the end of the dizzy you'd better get your sump removal tackle out...
Let us know how you get on and if needs be we'll talk you through putting it back and getting the timing right. remember to set the engine at TDC before you start!
Hope that helps a bit.

Simon H

KenONeill · 13-03-2008, 13:06

Setting the engine to TDC with a failed rotor arm or dissie drive is still dead easy; use the timing marks on the flywheel, just like you would with a good dissie!

Fitting the new dissie is rather harder, because getting it to time up right is a question of luck as much as of skill and judgement. I've seen a good professional take half a dozen shots at it.

shytot · 13-03-2008, 15:54

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Originally Posted by KenONeill

Setting the engine to TDC with a failed rotor arm or dissie drive is still dead easy; use the timing marks on the flywheel, just like you would with a good dissie!

Fitting the new dissie is rather harder, because getting it to time up right is a question of luck as much as of skill and judgement. I've seen a good professional take half a dozen shots at it.

The crank passes TDC twice per cycle so it's still important to make sure No1 is on compression. If it's on exhaust with the crank at TDC the ignition timing will be 180 degrees out if it's rebuilt as per the workshop manual. It'll still be possible to make it run but the plug lead layout on the dizzy cap won't be how it is in the books...

surprising_skod · 13-03-2008, 22:09

never managed to break a fav dizzy even with the world's abuse! how sure are you - i mean, has it come loose and just disengatged itself slightly maybe?

daverapid · 13-03-2008, 22:45

I'd guess that the roll pin at the base of the distributor has broken/fallen out, I've seen that happen a couple of times. Fit and time up the new/used/repaired distributor as the others have said, bear in mind that it's a bit fiddly to line up the distributor base with the oil pump though.

ffcat · 14-03-2008, 12:19

Thanks everybody ... was a broken shear pin on union just below rotaing dizzy cap housing.. pulled it apart.. new pin ..off with rocker cover , plugs out , jack up one front wheel, into third, turn engine with wheel, feel piston with old biro middle till tdc , point rotor arm in rough direction of relevant HT lead, locating rotor onto base pin is a bit difficult ( shaft refuses to go all way in ) but done eventually , start engine... rough as S**t... turn dizzy cap till smooth.. my cars going better than its ever done!. loads of torque... can pull away in third..coo! so again thanks wotta forum

12-03-2008, 00:13	#1
ffcat Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: sheffield Posts: 7	favorit Distributor shaft(ed) I can turn my rotor arm round and round with my fingers! the arms firmly located into the top of he shaft but the shaft is free to turn in many circles.seems like buggerd gears .do you know if a fabia dizzy would fit? ( I can find them in breakers yards, favorits are like hens teeth)..any ideas how I go about retiming the ignition?..Is my luvverly skodder dead?.. I'll rip it all apart ..ahem.. carefully dismantle in the morning and see whats left at the bottom end..

12-03-2008, 06:08	#2
anewman Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Leeds Posts: 1,974	Re: favorit Distributor shaft(ed) What year is your Favorit? AFAIK carbed and injection distributors are different. An early felicia one might fit. IIRC it's 2 bolts front and back and the whole lot including the retainer withdraws. If you can get the gear back in exactly how it came out timing would be perfect, but it looks like this isn't going to be possible. If it's injected I believe have some electronic wizardry to advance and retard the ignition, but I imagine you can get it reasonably correct with the crankshaft timing marks and having the rotor arm pointing in the first position. If you have a carbed Favorit I imagine you'd need a timing gun. __________________ <-- clickable for loads of boring info 94 Favorit GLXIe Estate (saved from scrap) - 101k miles (replaced clock - actual 120k+)

12-03-2008, 06:25	#3
anewman Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Leeds Posts: 1,974	Re: favorit Distributor shaft(ed) Skoda Favorit Pre 1993 Distributor-BRAND NEW on eBay, also, Skoda, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 26-Mar-08 17:21:12 GMT) pre 93 I imagine a 94 onwards injection one would cost around £30 at a dealers. __________________ <-- clickable for loads of boring info 94 Favorit GLXIe Estate (saved from scrap) - 101k miles (replaced clock - actual 120k+)

12-03-2008, 17:05	#4
shytot Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cleckheaton, West Yorkshire Posts: 43	Re: favorit Distributor shaft(ed) Removing a non-broken dizzy if quite easy - just undo the obvious bolts and pull it out. Before doing this it really, really helps if you set the engine at TDC (top dead centre) with No1 piston on the compression stroke (both valves closed - both rockers level. Need to remove rocker cover to check this). However, removing a broken dizzy might be more complicated as bits may have fallen off inside the engine... The only way to get the bits back is to remove the sump, then the oil pump & gears, bottom crank pulley and the timing cover. Not as bad as it sounds and whilst you're in there you may as well fit a new timing chain as they are a bit of a weak link in Favorits. My timing chain was absolutely paggered at 70k miles. I suggest that your first step is to remove the dizzy out and see how much of it left. If the gear is still on the end you may be in luck and find that the gear's locating pin has sheared. If the gear is not on the end of the dizzy you'd better get your sump removal tackle out... Let us know how you get on and if needs be we'll talk you through putting it back and getting the timing right. remember to set the engine at TDC before you start! Hope that helps a bit. Simon H

13-03-2008, 13:06	#5
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally somewhere in Scotland! Posts: 8,310	Re: favorit Distributor shaft(ed) Setting the engine to TDC with a failed rotor arm or dissie drive is still dead easy; use the timing marks on the flywheel, just like you would with a good dissie! Fitting the new dissie is rather harder, because getting it to time up right is a question of luck as much as of skill and judgement. I've seen a good professional take half a dozen shots at it.

13-03-2008, 22:09	#7
surprising_skod Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: N.I. Posts: 233	Re: favorit Distributor shaft(ed) never managed to break a fav dizzy even with the world's abuse! how sure are you - i mean, has it come loose and just disengatged itself slightly maybe?

13-03-2008, 22:45	#8
daverapid Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sawston, Cambridgeshire Posts: 719	Re: favorit Distributor shaft(ed) I'd guess that the roll pin at the base of the distributor has broken/fallen out, I've seen that happen a couple of times. Fit and time up the new/used/repaired distributor as the others have said, bear in mind that it's a bit fiddly to line up the distributor base with the oil pump though. __________________ David McKinney TREASURER OF SKODA OWNERS CLUB GREAT BRITAIN www.skoda-owners-club.org.uk

14-03-2008, 12:19	#9
ffcat Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: sheffield Posts: 7	Re: favorit Distributor shaft(ed) Thanks everybody ... was a broken shear pin on union just below rotaing dizzy cap housing.. pulled it apart.. new pin ..off with rocker cover , plugs out , jack up one front wheel, into third, turn engine with wheel, feel piston with old biro middle till tdc , point rotor arm in rough direction of relevant HT lead, locating rotor onto base pin is a bit difficult ( shaft refuses to go all way in ) but done eventually , start engine... rough as S**t... turn dizzy cap till smooth.. my cars going better than its ever done!. loads of torque... can pull away in third..coo! so again thanks wotta forum

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