Donington Mini-cold meet

***ColinD*** · 07-01-2003, 01:53

Righty ho, lets get this show on the road...

Vote and discuss on which days you would prefer...either driving round the track, watching or at the nearest pub fire.

AFAIK its about 75 or 95 for the day (advanced or on the day price) and if memory / rumour is true, then if spaces are still going they drop to 25 quid for an afternoon only session. ~ Might be myth though.

Each date is a Sunday.

**TaviaRS** · 07-01-2003, 09:55

Colin, the price for the afternoon seems to be what you can haggle it to. Last time some paid £50, others paid £25. Bit strange really. Based on the poll, I'll book which ever date is the most popular, assuming it doesn't clash with my new found career in forest stage rallying

Now where's the BTRDA fixture list, need to find an event!

Tavia4x4 · 07-01-2003, 10:17

9th or 16th of Feb for me as I'm involved in a w2k rollout that is going to take up most of my weekends in Jan.

**TaviaRS** · 07-01-2003, 11:10

16th? Ah, a nice valentines pressie for the wife :mrgreen:

or possibly that should be the soon to be ex-wife if I carry on like this! What with 3 or 4 UK track days, 5 ring trips and being talked into going Stage Rallying witha young lady, all this year, I think I'm heading for a divorce. Ho hum, so long as I get custody of the RS I'll be OK :mrgreen:

RallyMarshal · 07-01-2003, 19:54

[quote:a319c9e9c1="TaviaRS"]Colin, the price for the afternoon seems to be what you can haggle it to. Last time some paid £50, others paid £25. Bit strange really. Based on the poll, I'll book which ever date is the most popular, assuming it doesn't clash with my new found career in forest stage rallying

Now where's the BTRDA fixture list, need to find an event![/quote:a319c9e9c1]

You taking up some rallying..?

Try looking at www.btrdarally.com for the events.. and give me some feedback on the site whilst youre at it.

Paul..

**TaviaRS** · 08-01-2003, 09:37

Hi Paul, I'll have a look at the site later. Yep, I should be doing 6 rounds of the BTRDA.

This year I will be mainly co-driving for a "novice" (she did her first tarmac stage rally on Sunday

) but she has entered a 10 round championship (all forest), best 6 results to count, so as its her first season she's only going to do 6. I'll also be helping out with getting the car setup so that it is actually driveable (just one or 2 slight flaws in the handling at the mo

) and giving some guidance on how to actually drive it, especially on the loose.

RallyMarshal · 08-01-2003, 13:17

Tavia,

BTRDA is the championship to do IMHO. Im also an organiser of one of the rounds - the Dukeries on 23rd June so may be a little biased. What car is it and what engine size?

If shes only intending to do 6, I would start early and leave yourself the last 2 rallies in reserve case something goes tits up on one of the 6 and you only have 5 results to count.. when you might want to do another round to get those 6 finishes... if you see what I mean.

Paul..

steve · 09-01-2003, 00:51

Ill follow the masses.{iF THE F**KIN CAR IS SORTED}
STEVE

**TaviaRS** · 09-01-2003, 10:20

Paul,

we are doing a championship which uses all 10 rounds of the BTRDA, can't for the life of me remember what its called, but its arranged by Pul of PB motorsport and is for cars over 10 years old, 1600 or under. The car she has is a 205 GTI, 1.6. Still needs a little work done on it and we should be doing a test day fairly shortly.

Like the website :mrgreen:

Agree about how to do the rounds, although she's not too worried about where she finishes in the championship, doing it more for fun that for outright wins. This year is very much a learning year for us, her on the driving, me on the co-driving (haven't done a stage rally for at least 15 years

) so I need to try and remember what to do and when :roll:

Next year I may well compete as a driver, its more my thing. Just trying to sort out what car to use.

Jon

BAAHEED · 09-01-2003, 18:45

Well Jon whatever you decide to drive make sure its got a nice strong sump gaurd.

RallyMarshal · 09-01-2003, 20:04

LOL @ Baheed

Jon,

Thats fair enough. I heard about that championship too. Its using Yoko control tyres isnt it?

The reason I asked was that the 1400 championship runners get to run at the front of the event with *much* better surface than at the back. Even if its only for fun, the 1400cc championship would be the one Id have entered - even dropping an XSi lump in the car to drop capacity. Makes much more sense.

What rounds are you planning on doing? If youre looking at a car yourself, Id strongly suggest a 1400 or 1600 Nova or 205 or similar.

Paul..

**TaviaRS** · 10-01-2003, 20:22

Paul,

yep I'm looking for either an AX GT or 1.4 Nova. AX would be better, better power to weight and cheaper bits, in the (un)likely event that it gets bent! :mrgreen:

Joined the BTRDA today and registered for the championship. Blimey its cheap!

Just found out she is doing the coordsport championship.

RallyMarshal · 12-01-2003, 18:57

Im obviously biased towards a Nova but theres more of them out there competing for a reason...

The AX is a light car but Id personally not fancy my chances in one in the case of an off. What makes you say the AX has cheaper bits? In terms of competition parts Id say the Nova would be cheaper to build / buy as you can pick up second hand parts... The Nova does tend to be better handling for less money - chuck new bushes and a set of bilsteins coilover fronts and dampers rear and she handles well.

Mike Bennett at GMM motorsport (http://www.gmmmotorsport.co.uk/) has experience of running novas, axs, skodas and 205s so he may be a man to speak to..

Paul..

***ColinD*** · 12-01-2003, 19:10

What sort of costs are involved for a years activity?

Ignoring the costs ofthe motor in the first place...rough would do or pm me if you don't want it in the public eye.

I am asking making a perhaps naieve assumption that drivers/co could not be swapped around...but just thinking out aloud.

Mosre asking out of casual intrest than a firm plan of action.

**TaviaRS** · 12-01-2003, 20:34

Not cheap!

Buy the car, say a Nova or AX, dunno £500?
Strip it, weld it, and prepare it (brakes, suspension, LSD, all the safety gubbins) £2-3k minimum.

Forest rally is about £300 each event, as an average, single venue tarmac is about £150-200.

BTRDA championship is cheap to register for at £16, others cost more £300+. BTRDA is 10 rounds, best 6 results count.

Add in insurance, fuel, tyres, repairs (fairly inevitable) travel to and from events. Oh and don't forget your personal equipment (race suit, helmet, gloves, boots - an easy £500) if you ain't already got it and competition licence (ad in a course if you've never held a stage rally licence)

If doing BTRDA driver and co-driver enter as individuals. You do get drivers who sign up who haven't got co-drivers and just use people who haven't got drivers. Number of drivers out there far out weighs number of co-drivers. Oh and as a co-driver you will be expected to make a contribution financially - varies from driver to driver.

Think thats about right. I'm sure the more knowledgable members will put me right on stuff I got wrong.

Paul, I'll seriously consider the Nova, after all it was on my shortlist of 2!

***ColinD*** · 12-01-2003, 20:54

So at least 10k per anum then...considering the off's I would have

umm intresting all the same, many thanks Jon.

RallyMarshal · 13-01-2003, 00:35

Tavia... It will work out far cheaper to buy a preprepped car. trust me, been there done that with the build and its more expensive.

Colin, decent (ie reliable) spec 1400 Nova will be around £3-3.5k or so fully prepped or £4-4.5k new build.

Decent spec Helmet £125, Race Suit: £200, Gloves: £30 so say £400 for safety equipment with bits and bobs.

This year Im doing 6-8 airfield events (plus the Barbados Rally Carnival). My event budget for a single venue (airfield) event is:

Tyres: set of fronts and 1/2 set of rears: £200 (Yoko A032R)
Fuel: 40L (80 miles @ 2 mpl) * 80p/l: £32
Towcar Hire: £45
Towcar Fuel: £30
Entry Fee: £150
Routine Maintenence: £50
Wear and Tear: £100
Total: £607 or so.

Thats without a 'major crash' fund. The codriver pays the entry fee and theyre own expenses and I cover all the other 'car' costs. I usually do local events so no accomodation needed but that needs to be added on at £20-£40 per room if required. That doesnt include 'upgrades' to the car either!

Forest events will be similar costs but double the entry fee plus insurance for the event road sections and car tax and usually at least 1 nights accomodation.

Paul..

(You were about right Tavia!)

steve · 19-01-2003, 23:44

So, is this trackday going to happen then?
Who's going?
Has anyone booked/paid yet?
And do i need to take my arai!!!!!!!

Steve

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07-01-2003, 01:53	#1
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,297 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 26 Thanked 171 Times in 80 Posts	Donington Mini-cold meet Righty ho, lets get this show on the road... Vote and discuss on which days you would prefer...either driving round the track, watching or at the nearest pub fire. AFAIK its about 75 or 95 for the day (advanced or on the day price) and if memory / rumour is true, then if spaces are still going they drop to 25 quid for an afternoon only session. ~ Might be myth though. Each date is a Sunday. __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

07-01-2003, 09:55	#2
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Colin, the price for the afternoon seems to be what you can haggle it to. Last time some paid £50, others paid £25. Bit strange really. Based on the poll, I'll book which ever date is the most popular, assuming it doesn't clash with my new found career in forest stage rallying Now where's the BTRDA fixture list, need to find an event! __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

07-01-2003, 10:17	#3
Tavia4x4 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: J5 M61 Posts: 5,294 Members Car: Octavia 4x4 - aka "The Ambulance" Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	9th or 16th of Feb for me as I'm involved in a w2k rollout that is going to take up most of my weekends in Jan. __________________ Ian __________________ Nice to be important, but more important to be nice...

07-01-2003, 11:10	#4
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	16th? Ah, a nice valentines pressie for the wife :mrgreen: or possibly that should be the soon to be ex-wife if I carry on like this! What with 3 or 4 UK track days, 5 ring trips and being talked into going Stage Rallying witha young lady, all this year, I think I'm heading for a divorce. Ho hum, so long as I get custody of the RS I'll be OK :mrgreen: __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

07-01-2003, 19:54	#5
RallyMarshal Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mansfield, Notts. Posts: 189 Members Car: Octavia vRS, 1400 Nova RallyCar Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	[quote:a319c9e9c1="TaviaRS"]Colin, the price for the afternoon seems to be what you can haggle it to. Last time some paid £50, others paid £25. Bit strange really. Based on the poll, I'll book which ever date is the most popular, assuming it doesn't clash with my new found career in forest stage rallying Now where's the BTRDA fixture list, need to find an event![/quote:a319c9e9c1] You taking up some rallying..? Try looking at www.btrdarally.com for the events.. and give me some feedback on the site whilst youre at it. Paul..

08-01-2003, 09:37	#6
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Hi Paul, I'll have a look at the site later. Yep, I should be doing 6 rounds of the BTRDA. This year I will be mainly co-driving for a "novice" (she did her first tarmac stage rally on Sunday ) but she has entered a 10 round championship (all forest), best 6 results to count, so as its her first season she's only going to do 6. I'll also be helping out with getting the car setup so that it is actually driveable (just one or 2 slight flaws in the handling at the mo ) and giving some guidance on how to actually drive it, especially on the loose. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

08-01-2003, 13:17	#7
RallyMarshal Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mansfield, Notts. Posts: 189 Members Car: Octavia vRS, 1400 Nova RallyCar Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tavia, BTRDA is the championship to do IMHO. Im also an organiser of one of the rounds - the Dukeries on 23rd June so may be a little biased. What car is it and what engine size? If shes only intending to do 6, I would start early and leave yourself the last 2 rallies in reserve case something goes tits up on one of the 6 and you only have 5 results to count.. when you might want to do another round to get those 6 finishes... if you see what I mean. Paul..

09-01-2003, 00:51	#8
steve Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London Posts: 1,020 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ill follow the masses.{iF THE F**KIN CAR IS SORTED} STEVE

09-01-2003, 10:20	#9
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Paul, we are doing a championship which uses all 10 rounds of the BTRDA, can't for the life of me remember what its called, but its arranged by Pul of PB motorsport and is for cars over 10 years old, 1600 or under. The car she has is a 205 GTI, 1.6. Still needs a little work done on it and we should be doing a test day fairly shortly. Like the website :mrgreen: Agree about how to do the rounds, although she's not too worried about where she finishes in the championship, doing it more for fun that for outright wins. This year is very much a learning year for us, her on the driving, me on the co-driving (haven't done a stage rally for at least 15 years ) so I need to try and remember what to do and when :roll: Next year I may well compete as a driver, its more my thing. Just trying to sort out what car to use. Jon __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

09-01-2003, 18:45	#10
BAAHEED Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kirriemuir Posts: 304 Members Car: Octavia Estate ,Superb,Mitsubishi Shogun,VW Caddy Van 105hp, Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well Jon whatever you decide to drive make sure its got a nice strong sump gaurd. __________________ Skoda Superb Comfort 1.9TDi 130, Superb Elegance 2.0TDi 140 )

09-01-2003, 20:04	#11
RallyMarshal Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mansfield, Notts. Posts: 189 Members Car: Octavia vRS, 1400 Nova RallyCar Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	LOL @ Baheed Jon, Thats fair enough. I heard about that championship too. Its using Yoko control tyres isnt it? The reason I asked was that the 1400 championship runners get to run at the front of the event with much better surface than at the back. Even if its only for fun, the 1400cc championship would be the one Id have entered - even dropping an XSi lump in the car to drop capacity. Makes much more sense. What rounds are you planning on doing? If youre looking at a car yourself, Id strongly suggest a 1400 or 1600 Nova or 205 or similar. Paul..

10-01-2003, 20:22	#12
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Paul, yep I'm looking for either an AX GT or 1.4 Nova. AX would be better, better power to weight and cheaper bits, in the (un)likely event that it gets bent! :mrgreen: Joined the BTRDA today and registered for the championship. Blimey its cheap! Just found out she is doing the coordsport championship. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

12-01-2003, 18:57	#13
RallyMarshal Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mansfield, Notts. Posts: 189 Members Car: Octavia vRS, 1400 Nova RallyCar Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Im obviously biased towards a Nova but theres more of them out there competing for a reason... The AX is a light car but Id personally not fancy my chances in one in the case of an off. What makes you say the AX has cheaper bits? In terms of competition parts Id say the Nova would be cheaper to build / buy as you can pick up second hand parts... The Nova does tend to be better handling for less money - chuck new bushes and a set of bilsteins coilover fronts and dampers rear and she handles well. Mike Bennett at GMM motorsport (http://www.gmmmotorsport.co.uk/) has experience of running novas, axs, skodas and 205s so he may be a man to speak to.. Paul..

12-01-2003, 19:10	#14
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,297 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 26 Thanked 171 Times in 80 Posts	What sort of costs are involved for a years activity? Ignoring the costs ofthe motor in the first place...rough would do or pm me if you don't want it in the public eye. I am asking making a perhaps naieve assumption that drivers/co could not be swapped around...but just thinking out aloud. Mosre asking out of casual intrest than a firm plan of action. __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

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12-01-2003, 20:34	#15
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Not cheap! Buy the car, say a Nova or AX, dunno £500? Strip it, weld it, and prepare it (brakes, suspension, LSD, all the safety gubbins) £2-3k minimum. Forest rally is about £300 each event, as an average, single venue tarmac is about £150-200. BTRDA championship is cheap to register for at £16, others cost more £300+. BTRDA is 10 rounds, best 6 results count. Add in insurance, fuel, tyres, repairs (fairly inevitable) travel to and from events. Oh and don't forget your personal equipment (race suit, helmet, gloves, boots - an easy £500) if you ain't already got it and competition licence (ad in a course if you've never held a stage rally licence) If doing BTRDA driver and co-driver enter as individuals. You do get drivers who sign up who haven't got co-drivers and just use people who haven't got drivers. Number of drivers out there far out weighs number of co-drivers. Oh and as a co-driver you will be expected to make a contribution financially - varies from driver to driver. Think thats about right. I'm sure the more knowledgable members will put me right on stuff I got wrong. Paul, I'll seriously consider the Nova, after all it was on my shortlist of 2! __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

12-01-2003, 20:54	#16
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,297 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 26 Thanked 171 Times in 80 Posts	So at least 10k per anum then...considering the off's I would have umm intresting all the same, many thanks Jon. __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

13-01-2003, 00:35	#17
RallyMarshal Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mansfield, Notts. Posts: 189 Members Car: Octavia vRS, 1400 Nova RallyCar Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tavia... It will work out far cheaper to buy a preprepped car. trust me, been there done that with the build and its more expensive. Colin, decent (ie reliable) spec 1400 Nova will be around £3-3.5k or so fully prepped or £4-4.5k new build. Decent spec Helmet £125, Race Suit: £200, Gloves: £30 so say £400 for safety equipment with bits and bobs. This year Im doing 6-8 airfield events (plus the Barbados Rally Carnival). My event budget for a single venue (airfield) event is: Tyres: set of fronts and 1/2 set of rears: £200 (Yoko A032R) Fuel: 40L (80 miles @ 2 mpl) * 80p/l: £32 Towcar Hire: £45 Towcar Fuel: £30 Entry Fee: £150 Routine Maintenence: £50 Wear and Tear: £100 Total: £607 or so. Thats without a 'major crash' fund. The codriver pays the entry fee and theyre own expenses and I cover all the other 'car' costs. I usually do local events so no accomodation needed but that needs to be added on at £20-£40 per room if required. That doesnt include 'upgrades' to the car either! Forest events will be similar costs but double the entry fee plus insurance for the event road sections and car tax and usually at least 1 nights accomodation. Paul.. (You were about right Tavia!)

19-01-2003, 23:44	#18
steve Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London Posts: 1,020 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So, is this trackday going to happen then? Who's going? Has anyone booked/paid yet? And do i need to take my arai!!!!!!! Steve

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