2.5 v 1.9

sweet16 · 13-07-2005, 23:44

Im looking to get a Superb as a new company car.

the Elegance model is within my budget and the leasing cost of the 130 1.9 and 160 2.5 is not much differant.

however the tax is a big jump and im thinking that the performance isnt much differant. anyone drive all these cars can give me some insight?

lozgti · 14-07-2005, 08:19

2.5 seems to drink a lot more fuel

sweet16 · 14-07-2005, 12:12

is the 1.9 the best engine? (I currently have a 110 bhp Leon).

it seems that the 2.5 is more noise less economy but not much extra performance.

can anyone point me in the direction of a decent online review - the parkers and aa sites seem a bit lacking.

Dr Zoidberg · 14-07-2005, 12:30

I'd go for the PD130 myself ( and may well do so )

lozgti · 14-07-2005, 13:00

Had a spin in a pd130 superb.Plenty quick enough and I drive the octy vRS.

Stepfather had 2.5.Seemed to return about 35 mpg but he only did short journeys.I think if you were doing motorway miles it would give a better return.Never let me drive it so I don't know how different the two are power wise.

1.9 seemed more than capable to me though

sweet16 · 14-07-2005, 13:05

I will hopefully drive both but it takes me longer than a few hours to adjust to a car so i dont get a good picture from a test drive.

sweet16 · 14-07-2005, 23:26

just in case anyone is interested, i found a review of the passat 2.5, probably very simlar to the superb.link

Lummox · 14-07-2005, 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr zoidberg

I'd go for the PD130 myself ( and may well do so )

Agreed, I prefer the way it drives.

peterc10 · 15-07-2005, 21:26

Before I bought my Superb I test drove the 1.9 first and was going to buy it until I made the "mistake" of trying a 2.5. It was much better - faster and more responsive. The engine was a bit noisier but it was a V6 "growl" that was acceptable and not intrusive.

I ended up buying the 2.5 and do not regret it. Forget the 0 to 60 times or top speed (although they are both reasonable for a large luxury car). What is really impressive is the mid range "punch". When you are trying to overtake (the most dangerous manouvre?) it is this that really matters and the 2.5 makes overtaking cars and lorries quicker, easier and safer.

I have one with tiptronic and am heavy footed and still average 35mpg (according to the computer) on trips. On motorway runs I average 40mpg at well over the speed limit and I guess that 45 or 50mpg would be achievable within those limits.

My advice would be to go for the 2.5 (with the tiptronic gearbox for nice easy motoring) as long as you think it is worth the extra tax.

Reference the hours taken to adjust - a few weeks ago Skoda were offering 24 hour test drives on Superbs bookable on their web site - don't know if they still are.

L-Y-K · 15-07-2005, 23:18

get the 24hr test drive and find them out for yourself

sheppardnias · 16-07-2005, 09:39

I recently bought a 2.5. I don't think that there is a comparison between it and a 130PD. So much more relaxed and much smoother. I comute 40 miles each way to and from work and get between 41 and 43 mpg on each trip. It is mostly motorway but it sits between 80 and 90 mph all of the time. On a run from Manchester to Edinburgh and back it averaged 46 mpg. That was going up the A1 at between 80 and 90 mph and coming back down the A7 and M6 at much higher speeds. I know the 1.9's are more economical but they are not the same to drive.

Also, as a thought.... I just fitted a diesel chip to mine. Fuel economy is down about 3-4 mpg but thats down to me driving it harder at the moment. When I've done a few business trips in it I will know better the true cost. The car however is transformed again onto a different level though. Torque at 1400rpm is incredible and you can now drive through town in 6th at 1000rpm and just accelerate away. The engine revs upto its limit at 5000rpm(ish) but does not loose any power after 3800rpm like it did. The car is now a hooligan dressed as a vicar!!! The response and power to overtake is there and its instant, if you drive a chipped one you wouldn't even look at the 1.9's or even the 2.8 petrol. The only bad thing about the chip was the fitting. Not that hard but slightly confusing instructions didn't help, it was worth the hour it took though.

miko01 · 28-07-2005, 09:30

Hi all

Just bought second hand Superb 2.5V6 Tdi - swopped for my previous Audi A6 Avant 1.9tdi.

Holy cow - what a difference!The V6 is exceptional and noticeably more powerful than the 1.9Tdi Superb which I also test drove - excellent mid range power.It could do with a 6th gear (as the Audi had) on the tiptronic gearbox,but otherwise it really is fun and gives the car an "edge".

As for the car overall - beats the Audi in every department.....never thought I would ever say that!

Regards

Miko

Mil · 28-07-2005, 16:02

To those who thought there was no diff in performance....

IN GENERAL, THE BIGGER THE ENGINE, THE MORE POWERFUL AND CAPABLE THE CAR!

sweet16 · 28-07-2005, 16:06

Mil, not always the case - big heavy cars arent always faster than lighter cars with smaller less powerful engines.

Mil · 29-07-2005, 09:18

I'm not saying they are faster, I'm saying they're more powerful and capable of handling high power levels.

In this case however, we are talking about one model holding two different engines. The bigger engine is the more powerful one here, and therefore with the relatively the same weight, will make it quite a bit faster than the smaller-engined one. V6 vs inline-4? Come on...

yellotaxi · 31-07-2005, 11:57

The 2.5 i would think to be better all round for distance driving and a re-map should pump it over 200bhb and even more monstrous torque to play with.

HellFire · 31-07-2005, 21:30

The 2.5 V6 is a big old block whereas the 1.9 is the new kid on the block (excuse the pun).

As for tuning I would think both would be similar but the 1.9 is a lighter engine and would have a better turn in on corners.

When it comes to economy, again both would be similar.

I personally would opt for the 1.9 however not having driven the 2.5 I couldnt say for definate.

ScoobyChris · 01-08-2005, 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellFire

As for tuning I would think both would be similar but the 1.9 is a lighter engine and would have a better turn in on corners.

Isn't a bigger engine more torquey and doesn't rely on the turbo so much to get it moving. This means it's more relaxed and effortless to drive, despite having the same peak power as the 4-cylinder, which is what you'd want in the Superb. Turn in speed is immaterial on a Superb, imho

Chris

gregor · 03-08-2005, 13:39

I'm in a similar boat to the thread starter. Got a SEAT Toledo TDI (110 non PD) and I'm thinking about Superb to replace it once the two year warranty expires (12 months time) as I'm less than impressed with the new Toledo and Altea.

The wife has a Leon 150PD and that's a lot of fun, but it seems to have lag issues that I'm not used to in the non PD 110. To be honest, I prefer the Toledo for day to day driving.

I did have a shot of the Superb 130PD tiptronic just before I went for the Toledo 12 months ago, and to be honest, I felt it could do with a bit more poke. This was more to do with performance through the gears.

I guess a comparison of throught the gears between the 130PD and V6 TDI would be the best bet.

There *is* the additional tax and that extra 10MPG to account for too. I get 60MPG in my Toledo and I'd be upset if I had to drop to any less than 55 with the current cost of fuel.

13-07-2005, 23:44	#1
sweet16 Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	2.5 v 1.9 Im looking to get a Superb as a new company car. the Elegance model is within my budget and the leasing cost of the 130 1.9 and 160 2.5 is not much differant. however the tax is a big jump and im thinking that the performance isnt much differant. anyone drive all these cars can give me some insight?

14-07-2005, 12:30	#4
Dr Zoidberg Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the back of an AA truck with a failed turbo Posts: 10,514 Thanks: 21 Thanked 185 Times in 136 Posts	I'd go for the PD130 myself ( and may well do so ) __________________ Alex "I laugh in the face of danger, then I hide until it goes away" www.drzoidberg.co.uk

15-07-2005, 23:18	#10
L-Y-K Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: A30 Newquay Cornwall Posts: 4,181 Thanks: 31 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	get the 24hr test drive and find them out for yourself __________________ Fabia Bohemia Mods - 16" BBS Montreal's, Blaupunkt Rome nav, fitted front and rear areo wipers, rear OEM speakers fitted, vw damped grab handles.

16-07-2005, 09:39	#11
sheppardnias Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: North West Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	2.5 owner I recently bought a 2.5. I don't think that there is a comparison between it and a 130PD. So much more relaxed and much smoother. I comute 40 miles each way to and from work and get between 41 and 43 mpg on each trip. It is mostly motorway but it sits between 80 and 90 mph all of the time. On a run from Manchester to Edinburgh and back it averaged 46 mpg. That was going up the A1 at between 80 and 90 mph and coming back down the A7 and M6 at much higher speeds. I know the 1.9's are more economical but they are not the same to drive. Also, as a thought.... I just fitted a diesel chip to mine. Fuel economy is down about 3-4 mpg but thats down to me driving it harder at the moment. When I've done a few business trips in it I will know better the true cost. The car however is transformed again onto a different level though. Torque at 1400rpm is incredible and you can now drive through town in 6th at 1000rpm and just accelerate away. The engine revs upto its limit at 5000rpm(ish) but does not loose any power after 3800rpm like it did. The car is now a hooligan dressed as a vicar!!! The response and power to overtake is there and its instant, if you drive a chipped one you wouldn't even look at the 1.9's or even the 2.8 petrol. The only bad thing about the chip was the fitting. Not that hard but slightly confusing instructions didn't help, it was worth the hour it took though.

28-07-2005, 09:30	#12
miko01 Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: SE Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Buy the 2.5 TDI V6!!!! Hi all Just bought second hand Superb 2.5V6 Tdi - swopped for my previous Audi A6 Avant 1.9tdi. Holy cow - what a difference!The V6 is exceptional and noticeably more powerful than the 1.9Tdi Superb which I also test drove - excellent mid range power.It could do with a 6th gear (as the Audi had) on the tiptronic gearbox,but otherwise it really is fun and gives the car an "edge". As for the car overall - beats the Audi in every department.....never thought I would ever say that! Regards Miko

14-07-2005, 08:19	#2
lozgti Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: midlands Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 10 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	2.5 seems to drink a lot more fuel

14-07-2005, 12:12	#3
sweet16 Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	is the 1.9 the best engine? (I currently have a 110 bhp Leon). it seems that the 2.5 is more noise less economy but not much extra performance. can anyone point me in the direction of a decent online review - the parkers and aa sites seem a bit lacking.

14-07-2005, 13:00	#5
lozgti Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: midlands Posts: 5,638 Thanks: 10 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Had a spin in a pd130 superb.Plenty quick enough and I drive the octy vRS. Stepfather had 2.5.Seemed to return about 35 mpg but he only did short journeys.I think if you were doing motorway miles it would give a better return.Never let me drive it so I don't know how different the two are power wise. 1.9 seemed more than capable to me though

14-07-2005, 13:05	#6
sweet16 Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I will hopefully drive both but it takes me longer than a few hours to adjust to a car so i dont get a good picture from a test drive.

14-07-2005, 23:26	#7
sweet16 Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	just in case anyone is interested, i found a review of the passat 2.5, probably very simlar to the superb.link

15-07-2005, 21:26	#9
peterc10 Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South East Posts: 474 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Before I bought my Superb I test drove the 1.9 first and was going to buy it until I made the "mistake" of trying a 2.5. It was much better - faster and more responsive. The engine was a bit noisier but it was a V6 "growl" that was acceptable and not intrusive. I ended up buying the 2.5 and do not regret it. Forget the 0 to 60 times or top speed (although they are both reasonable for a large luxury car). What is really impressive is the mid range "punch". When you are trying to overtake (the most dangerous manouvre?) it is this that really matters and the 2.5 makes overtaking cars and lorries quicker, easier and safer. I have one with tiptronic and am heavy footed and still average 35mpg (according to the computer) on trips. On motorway runs I average 40mpg at well over the speed limit and I guess that 45 or 50mpg would be achievable within those limits. My advice would be to go for the 2.5 (with the tiptronic gearbox for nice easy motoring) as long as you think it is worth the extra tax. Reference the hours taken to adjust - a few weeks ago Skoda were offering 24 hour test drives on Superbs bookable on their web site - don't know if they still are.

28-07-2005, 16:02	#13
Mil Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,801 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	To those who thought there was no diff in performance.... IN GENERAL, THE BIGGER THE ENGINE, THE MORE POWERFUL AND CAPABLE THE CAR! __________________ Milton Kyvernitis Private Government

28-07-2005, 16:06	#14
sweet16 Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mil, not always the case - big heavy cars arent always faster than lighter cars with smaller less powerful engines.

29-07-2005, 09:18	#15
Mil Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United Arab Emirates Posts: 3,801 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	I'm not saying they are faster, I'm saying they're more powerful and capable of handling high power levels. In this case however, we are talking about one model holding two different engines. The bigger engine is the more powerful one here, and therefore with the relatively the same weight, will make it quite a bit faster than the smaller-engined one. V6 vs inline-4? Come on... __________________ Milton Kyvernitis Private Government Last edited by Mil; 29-07-2005 at 09:20.

31-07-2005, 11:57	#16
yellotaxi Briskodian Join Date: May 2004 Location: fife Posts: 444 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	The 2.5 i would think to be better all round for distance driving and a re-map should pump it over 200bhb and even more monstrous torque to play with.

31-07-2005, 21:30	#17
HellFire Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 3,174 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	The 2.5 V6 is a big old block whereas the 1.9 is the new kid on the block (excuse the pun). As for tuning I would think both would be similar but the 1.9 is a lighter engine and would have a better turn in on corners. When it comes to economy, again both would be similar. I personally would opt for the 1.9 however not having driven the 2.5 I couldnt say for definate. __________________ Metro Blue '06' 5 Door Astra 1.8 SRi

03-08-2005, 13:39	#19
gregor Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Earlston Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm in a similar boat to the thread starter. Got a SEAT Toledo TDI (110 non PD) and I'm thinking about Superb to replace it once the two year warranty expires (12 months time) as I'm less than impressed with the new Toledo and Altea. The wife has a Leon 150PD and that's a lot of fun, but it seems to have lag issues that I'm not used to in the non PD 110. To be honest, I prefer the Toledo for day to day driving. I did have a shot of the Superb 130PD tiptronic just before I went for the Toledo 12 months ago, and to be honest, I felt it could do with a bit more poke. This was more to do with performance through the gears. I guess a comparison of throught the gears between the 130PD and V6 TDI would be the best bet. There is the additional tax and that extra 10MPG to account for too. I get 60MPG in my Toledo and I'd be upset if I had to drop to any less than 55 with the current cost of fuel.

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