2.5 v6 AYM engine broken , recon engine help needed in the merseyside/northwest area

[Dave36]

my superb 2.5 v6 AYM code 52 reg 74 thousand miles on the clock engine broke on friday , had a full service history but not by a skoda dealer , but the cams are all scored the hydrulic tappits have worn and some fell off into the engine ( YES ITS A HORROR STORY) but it true , had it investgated by E.B. jones VW /AUDI/SKODA specialist in walton liverpool , who give me the bad news , he told me he could replace the cams and all the other bits on that one side for 900 pounds but cant guranntee it will work , because the valves could be bent and the other side could have the same damage , it seem to have been a long deteration of the said parts , not an over night thing , so can any help with prices of any where in the liverpool/merseyside/north west area of a recon engine fitted , he was looking at 4000 to 5000 for a new one fitted , but surely there must be some place that could do it cheaper .


I WOULD BE VERY GRATEFULL FOR ANY ADVICE OR HELP


DAVE

[Supurbia]

Scrap it, 6 yrs old it's not worth repairing, stick it in the adds for 1500 spares of repairs.

Sorry to bear bad news, but never send good money in to rescue bad.

[Fred Bloggs]

Would the moral of the story be, always use the correct VAG spec engine oil? Sorry to hear such bad news on a fairly low miles engine though.

[Gizmo68]

have a read of THE KICK INSIDE's thread here post #71 describes the damage his engine suffered, although his was much younger and only on 34k (FSSH) your may problems may be related?

I also believe that using oil that does not meet the correct VAG spec is false economy especially if you get it from someone like Opie Oils (forum sponsor )

[rotodiesel]

The V6 diesel is not an oil critical engine like the PDs. Any good oil to ACEA B4 will do, although of course the VAG specs should always be followed.

I doubt very much whether this problem is oil related - I've seen too many of these engines do this.

rotodiesel.

[Fred Bloggs]

Fair enough. I use 506.01 in my V6 TDi Superb and in my VRs Furby. So I just need to buy one oil for topping up. Call me "old school" I guess, but I do not like any engine going over 10k miles or 1 year without oil and filter changes. I believe extended service intervals will lead to more premature failures like this.

[mathepac]

Dave36, sorry to hear about your engine catastrophe.

Would this outfit be any help Reconditioned Citroen Engines. Rebuilt Citroen Engines. Remanufactured Citroen Engines.

I can't get any more info as they they want postcodes, phone numbers, etc.

Sorry, that quick-link shows ****roen, but they do VAG recons as well I believe.

HTH

[Dave36]

Thanks for all the help , but phoned around 10 places (yellow pages and auto trader) and went to 3 engine place's in liverpool today no one will touch it , they said its such an obscure engine they wouldnt touch it , so i have decided to cut my losses and get rid .

Thanks all

[Supurbia]

Originally Posted by Dave36

Thanks for all the help , but phoned around 10 places (yellow pages and auto trader) and went to 3 engine place's in liverpool today no one will touch it , they said its such an obscure engine they wouldnt touch it , so i have decided to cut my losses and get rid .

Thanks all

Thats the way to go Dave, never chase it, if you spent on it and then tried to sell it you would face low bids or no bids for it, I doubt it was anything to do with oil, I've been using a good quality B4 oil in my 1.9, it's been in there 8k now and I've no problems or noises and had a half litre top up this week par the course as the dealer origin oil ran to as well, I think this oil spec routine is a VAG method to get 90% of owners to not risk it and pay the VAG price for a service, book even states you could use 10/40 if there's nothing else available, to me with oil you either can use it or you cant.

If you are looking for something similar now on a budget, try an 03-04 Vauxhall Omega 2.2, it won't be as fast off the line but it will be reliable.

[kprm77]

Originally Posted by Gizmo68

I also believe that using oil that does not meet the correct VAG spec is false economy especially if you get it from someone like Opie Oils (forum sponsor )

Are you saying Opie Oils is no good for the Superb? I'm using some of the Titan Supersyn in my PD130 to top up, as I couldn't seem to get the correct grade of oil anywhere....

Sorry to hear about your 2.5 V6 Dave

[rotodiesel]

Opie oils are a supplier - not an oil specification.

You paid for a VAG diesel engine and you also paid the salaries of the development engineers who specified the oil to go into it.

Why in heaven's name use anything other than the specified oil in these engines? You can buy it from a variety of manufacturers and suppliers and the labour of doing an oil change is the same whatever you pour in.

rotodiesel.

[kprm77]

Originally Posted by rotodiesel

Opie oils are a supplier - not an oil specification.

You paid for a VAG diesel engine and you also paid the salaries of the development engineers who specified the oil to go into it.

Why in heaven's name use anything other than the specified oil in these engines? You can buy it from a variety of manufacturers and suppliers and the labour of doing an oil change is the same whatever you pour in.

rotodiesel.

Because I asked on this forum where to get the correct graded oil as I couldn't find it anywhere.

This stuff:

Opie Oils - Fuchs TITAN SUPERSYN LL PLUS SAE 0W-30 Fully Synthetic oil for VW and PD Diesel Engines

TITAN SUPERSYN LONGLIFE PLUS SAE 0W-30 has been designed especially for the latest generation of all VW and AUDI diesel engines equipped for extended oil drain intervals (WIV) including the diesel engines with Unit Injector technology which require motor oil according VW 506 01.

Is that not the right grade???

[rotodiesel]

A Forum search will yield the VAG specification numbers.

For a PD diesel on fixed servicing intervals 505.01 will suffice.

For variable servicing intervals 506.01 or 507.00 must be used. For the later Cat IV engines with a DPF 507.00 must be used exclusively.

506.01 is likely to become obsolete and will be replaced by 507.00 for all PD units on longlife variable servicing.

Oils to these specifications are made by a variety of manufacturers - I use Fuchs.

The above applies to PD unit injector diesels only - for other engines, see manual.

rotodiesel.

[derek stewart]

Hi
I was wondering if anyone has tried replacing the cam followers and getting the engine it going as I've got the same problem and don't want to spend money if it will be a waste of time .
Is there a way to tell if the valves are bent without stripping the head down.
I'm finding it impossible to get someone to look at the engine and can't find any reference or information on doing the job myself. I.E about setting the timing.
Does anyone know where i can get a repair manual as Haynes don't seem to have one for the Superb.

[rotodiesel]

The Haynes manual 4279 for the B5.5 Passat covers most aspects of the Superb, but only those with 4 cyl engines.

I would go very carefully indeed if you are considering repairing a V6. I looked at this engine with a view to getting one in a Superb for towing but was dismayed to find how poor the long term reliability and costs (belt changes) were. They cancelled all of the gains over the PD which is a far more reliable engine when correctly treated (oil and cambelts). The fuel consumption and CO2 emissions for the V6 are not commensurate with its rated output either.

I stopped analysing the V6 failures when I found the actual failure rate was so high, but my suspicions would point to lubrication problems - possibly oil pump or drive failure. If an engine suffers problems here, it's scrap - don't throw any money at it..

rotodiesel.

[THE KICK INSIDE]

Amazingly im still about.....and we have decided to keep the v6....one point its NOT an obscure engine as its used in a the passat and a4/a6 too....

one thing i am damn sure about though....the new engine is going on 5000 mile oil changes....

[rotodiesel]

This engine is indeed used in other VAG models which is how I found out about its unreliability, lack of efficiency (just what you need these days) and high maintenance costs. The Internet is your friend here.

Apart from an unreliable fuel system, these engines have either hardening or lubrication issues in the top end and are prone to oil leaks which are tedious to fix.

Once bitten - why bother? There are loads of VAG cars around with better engines.

rotodiesel.

[johannapam1]

Interestingly I have seardched the VW Audi forums for any problems with the 2.5 V6 engine A4 and A6. Nothing in terms of engines giving up completely just the run of the mill issues. Of course the water ingress is listed many times as we all know on this forum. Was there anything different in the A4 and A6 2.5 V6 diesel engines compared to the Superb as I find it strange there are no posts on the subject?

[cheezemonkhai]

How different is the V6 wiring loom to the 110TDI or PD130.

Just wondering if you could find one of those engines in a breakers and get something more reliable in what is essentially a solid chassis.

After all both of those engines were fitted to the passat and or superb.