Just been looking at the French forum and noticed that the 1.8 TSI is 1300 euro less than the equivalent TDI 110.

Over here it's £290 more!!!

OK the 1.8 is going to sell in much smaller numbers but I think SUK are going to shift a lot less than they could have done if we had this type of cost reduction over diesel.

I would have liked to have considered it myself but sitting between the TDI 110 and 140 in terms of purchase cost rules it out completely from a running cost point of view.

A shame.

For the TDI 170 aficionado's this engine is available on two trim levels rather than our one.

The 1.8 is gonna sell in massive numbers!

I thought about getting the 1,8 Yeti, then I saw the fuel consumption figures & :orb_faint

Then you have the VED of £215 for this year, £235 for next, then from next year you'll have to pay the "Showroom" Tax on top as well... :orb_flami

I thought nah, I'll get in quick and have an Octavia on 0% & VAT free... :orb_cool:

I think you don't have to do many miles to make the extra for the 170-TDI CR pay for itself in lower road tax and better fuel consumption.

I do think though that you'd be hard pushed to call any of the Yeti range overpriced, especially given the standard equipment on the Elegance.

would be good if they make a yeti vrs with the 170bhp diesel engine

It might be because petrol engines are more desirable over here, and diesel is so expensive.

Dirty diesels are noisy old stink boxes that belong in something that needs torque. Like a truck.

How about the 260bhp 3.6 V6 from the Superb in the Yeti!

I would never buy a diesel car, because I enjoy driving too much.

It might be because petrol engines are more desirable over here, and diesel is so expensive.

Dirty diesels are noisy old stink boxes that belong in something that needs torque. Like a truck.

How about the 260bhp 3.6 V6 from the Superb in the Yeti!

I would never buy a diesel car, because I enjoy driving too much.

I don't know what with fuel going through the roof again and the CO2 tax as well a lot of people are still going for the Diesel option. That 2.0 CR is a nice motor as well.

Bodge you're so WRONG.

I would have chosen a 170CR if the price had been a little lower & the mileage I do was slightly higher & it didn't have a DPF on it.

The 170CR is so quiet, yes you can tell it's a diesel, just! I wonder how long it'll be before diesel engines match petrol ones point for point & pound for pound price-wise.

I don't know what with fuel going through the roof again and the CO2 tax as well a lot of people are still going for the Diesel option. That 2.0 CR is a nice motor as well.

The TSi's bridge the gap between oil burners & normally aspirated petrols with low emissions, diesel like low & mid range torque together with decent economy and no diesel price premium when new. Also, thankfully, they don't sound like a Massey Ferguson on cold startups.

Here in Switzerland the 1.8TSI is much cheaper than the diesels. The lowest base model available is a 1.8 TSI 4x4 Entry (no 2wd available) which is about 25% cheaper than the cheapest diesel version which is only available with a much higher spec. Also diesel fuel here is much more expensive than petrol, and there is nothing like the punitive road taxation that exists in the UK. So needless to say the most popular monster in these parts is the 1.8TSI with the 2.0 140s and 2.0 170s fairly rare. Most of the reports (including Honestjohn.co.uk) of road tests with the 1.8 TSI think it is a great engine with almost diesel amount of low down torque but the benefits of a free reving smooth petrol engine.

Also, thankfully, they don't sound like a Massey Ferguson on cold startups.

Though neither, of course, do the CR TDIs.

Just been looking at the French forum and noticed that the 1.8 TSI is 1300 euro less than the equivalent TDI 110.

Over here it's �290 more!!!

OK the 1.8 is going to sell in much smaller numbers but I think SUK are going to shift a lot less than they could have done if we had this type of cost reduction over diesel.

I would have liked to have considered it myself but sitting between the TDI 110 and 140 in terms of purchase cost rules it out completely from a running cost point of view.

A shame.

For the TDI 170 aficionado's this engine is available on two trim levels rather than our one.

My rational for buying the 1.8 went like this...

Previous car - Octavia vRS mk1 maybe not the quickest on the road but not bad, having test driven the 140 TDi found it to be a pleasant runaround but in the cut and thrust of London traffic a bit slug like, the turbo thrust of the vRS exactly what you need on occasions, so basically something close to the vRS in acceleration was called for in my opinion. I also test drove the VW Tiguan 1.4 TSI - which I found underpowered and I guessed the 1.2 Yeti would be similar (there wasn't one available at the time).

The added expense of the 170 TDI couldn't be justified on the mpg/road tax equation given my typical annual usage.

Then the 170 TDi is only in 'Elegance' trim with Leather seats (which I don't like).

Finally it's a diesel - horrid to fill, noisy, smelly, lots of gear changing etc,etc and on a motorway the drone of the engine sends me to sleep ! So 1.8 TSI was default choice, now if they could fit the 2.0 200bhp TSI or the old 1.8 225 bhp (from the Audi TT) that would be interesting.........

Yes, maybe there is a price to pay but that's SUK 's marketing policies as much as anything else.

My rational for buying the 1.8 went like this...

Previous car - Octavia vRS mk1 maybe not the quickest on the road but not bad, having test driven the 140 TDi found it to be a pleasant runaround but in the cut and thrust of London traffic a bit slug like, the turbo thrust of the vRS exactly what you need on occasions, so basically something close to the vRS in acceleration was called for in my opinion. I also test drove the VW Tiguan 1.4 TSI - which I found underpowered and I guessed the 1.2 Yeti would be similar (there wasn't one available at the time).

The added expense of the 170 TDI couldn't be justified on the mpg/road tax equation given my typical annual usage.

Then the 170 TDi is only in 'Elegance' trim with Leather seats (which I don't like).

Finally it's a diesel - horrid to fill, noisy, smelly, lots of gear changing etc,etc and on a motorway the drone of the engine sends me to sleep ! So 1.8 TSI was default choice, now if they could fit the 2.0 200bhp TSI or the old 1.8 225 bhp (from the Audi TT) that would be interesting.........

Yes, maybe there is a price to pay but that's SUK 's marketing policies as much as anything else.

Thanks for your feedback on this one, can fully understand were your coming from and why the petrol works for you. As I said before a shame UK customers are getting overcharged compared to other countries.

PS a fan of the old 1.8T 20v myself, had the 150 in my Octavia I 4x4 hatch

Regards,

TP

Barsteward said:

Then the 170 TDi is only in 'Elegance' trim with Leather seats (which I don't like).

Personal taste - they're actually excellent very comfortable and heated

Finally it's a diesel - horrid to fill,

Nope, mine isn't

noisy,

Nope, it's very quiet

smelly,

Nope, mine isn't

lots of gear changing etc,etc

Nope, I haven't found this to be so

and on a motorway the drone of the engine sends me to sleep !

Can't hear the engine at cruise speeds

Driven one?!

Barsteward said:

Then the 170 TDi is only in 'Elegance' trim with Leather seats (which I don't like).

Personal taste - they're actually excellent very comfortable and heated

Finally it's a diesel - horrid to fill,

Nope, mine isn't

noisy,

Nope, it's very quiet

smelly,

Nope, mine isn't

lots of gear changing etc,etc

Nope, I haven't found this to be so

and on a motorway the drone of the engine sends me to sleep !

Can't hear the engine at cruise speeds

Driven one?!

As I said, the140 TDI , have you tried driving one through London rush hour ? and filled up at a petrol station used by cabbies ?

I wouldn't say a diesel was more difficult to fill than a petrol - however I do find filling with diesel can leave your hand a bit smelly.

However, as for "lots of gear changing" - surely one on the advantages of a diesel is the low down power and torque - I find they tend to pull harder from lower engine revs - so less gear changing. 1.8tsi is unusual for a petrol in this regard.

Try a Honda petrol and compare !

Thanks for your feedback on this one, can fully understand were your coming from and why the petrol works for you. As I said before a shame UK customers are getting overcharged compared to other countries.

PS a fan of the old 1.8T 20v myself, had the 150 in my Octavia I 4x4 hatch

Regards,

TP

I would disagree that the UK customers are being charged more other countries - Have you taken into consideration the weak pound - its 30% less value than two years ago.

However, i digress, recently I made comparisons between French OTR Skoda prices and the same models in the UK. I found new UK Octavias are about 2k cheaper.[which shot down the weak pound theory - but how come?]

2nd hand car prices here would make you weep and are high as the French hold on to their cars longer (I was told less 2nd hand cars boost the price up) Even Germans are bringing their Renault Espaces over here to sell as they get a better price!

Fortunately, when replacement time comes, have found I can buy LHD Skodas from a private concern in the UK, so will be sniffing round there.

Edited 7 February, 201016 yr by britinfrance

The Yeti 1.8 is still way, way down on torque compared to the 170CR, it is a very fluid engine however.

The Yeti 1.8 is still way, way down on torque compared to the 170CR, it is a very fluid engine however.

The pub bragging 'peak' figure maybe but it provides 190lb/ft for over 3000rpm of the rev range as opposed to the 170's ability to hold it for just 1000rpm. :p

Balancing the arguement up however, I do ask myself if Barsteward has actually driven a CR170 yeti as, from experince, they are not how he describes imo.

Lee

I wouldn't say a diesel was more difficult to fill than a petrol - however I do find filling with diesel can leave your hand a bit smelly.

However, as for "lots of gear changing" - surely one on the advantages of a diesel is the low down power and torque - I find they tend to pull harder from lower engine revs - so less gear changing. 1.8tsi is unusual for a petrol in this regard.

It is normally the poor maintenance of the pumps that causes diesel leakage. When I find a garage with a supply of gloves, I normally "borrow" an extra pair for future use!

I have found the 140 TDI to be very flexible, the best range is between 1500 and 3500 rpm and, with 6 gears, there is plenty of overlap. I do find 6th gear a bit of an overdrive so tend to use 5th as my top gear for normal use. (6 for dual carriageways and Mways)

Well looking at the torque curve of the 170CR it is very hard to see when the torque level even drops down to what the180 produces at maximum but from about 1500 revs to 4750 revs it is producing more than the1800TSi does at maximum. A significant distribution across almost the whole available rev range and then goes on to produce approximately another 50% more over another significant % proportion of the rev range. No need to wind it up to dizzy heights to get a buzz :p

170 CR Power & Torque Curves

180 TSi Power & Torque Curves

Well looking at the torque curve of the 170CR it is very hard to see when the torque level even drops down to what the180 produces at maximum but from about 1500 revs to 4750 revs it is producing more than the1800TSi does at maximum. A significant distribution across almost the whole available rev range and then goes on to produce approximately another 50% more over another significant % proportion of the rev range. No need to wind it up to dizzy heights to get a buzz :p

170 CR Power & Torque Curves

180 TSi Power & Torque Curves

Personally Id be inclined to continue basing facts on the manufacturers figures/graphs. From experience, Superchips dyno produces some 'interesting' results at times. ;-)

Having said that, I havent heard of a standard 1.8TSI getting less than 181bhp and 200lb/ft torque, even on what I consider a decently accurate dyno (dyno dynamics).

Edited 8 February, 201016 yr by FocusZtec

I understand that many claims for power torque and performance are conservative these days because of legislation and the fear of litigation. If you have manufacturers graphs to show that would be good. These are the only ones that I could find quickly, I should not think that the trends would be too far out though.

I read about a fuel pump fault in another thread that got me thinking.

The Yeti has two fuel tanks, how difficult would it be to replace the 2nd tank with a LPG tank?? And is the Yeti engine suitable for LPG conversion??

My biggest worry about the 1.8 is the fuel cost, a Diesel is a bit OTT for the multiple 2 mile journeys I make most days, and I worry the 1.2 wont be enough long term.