I know it's all been done before but I am fed up with increasing fuel costs, whether it be government duty or just the greed of petrol companies. I had the idea of starting a petition on the Prime Minister's petitions site to ask for a fuel duty reduction. Had a look the other night and there is already one on there which looks fine to me, why write another? I think something ridiculous like only 89 people who had signed up and that seems pretty good when you look at others. It probably indicates that people have given up on the current government and don't think they will listen anyway, may be right but they are looking for election votes soon, so I doubt they want to P us off too much. I for one would like to at least be doing something rather than nothing.

Here are the details; Petition to: reduce fuel duty and or VAT on fuel in the UK. From every £1 charged over 63p is tax in the form of fuel duty and (46p) and VAT £17.5p) therefore the government receives more in tax per litre of fuel than many Europeans pay for a litre

if you are interested enough to maybe sign and post up on some other sites and I will do the same, that would be good and won't eally take that much time. If you want you can also write to your MP, if you do a search they all ave sites but you would need to put something down in writing, petition is easier.

One thing I have found is when you sign one of these you always get the governments answer at the end, even if they don't agree we should really all keep up the pressure, a case in point I think is the last 2p fuel duty increase, how did that become 4p/5p, petrol companies just seemed to jump on the bandwagon and most people seem to keep paying, so they will keep bumping it up.

Whada yous think, lie back and take it or fight, lets see how many more than 89 signatures we can get, power of Briskoda/internet and all that .

Thanks for your support.

Faskoda.

You'll have more luck eating your sofa

And fuel is just as expensive in most if Europe too.. If not

more!

Supply and demand, global warming, you name it it's going to put the prices up and to be honest we haven't seen a big price rise yet but they are coming, by 2015 it could be up to anywhere from £5 to £10 a litre

Why even bother as petitions do nothing, as motorists, drinkers and smokers will always get stuffed by which ever party wins the election.

Just accept the fact that the country is now in so much debt, and the three mentioned above, being a captive audience will always be hit the hardest.

The French have the most balls, as they just blockade the ports and as their police do nothing but stand around and watch, it gets the desired result, but, being English we do nothing but sign silly petitions.

If they drop the duty on petrol, where will the government increase it to make up for the short fall in revenue?

And fuel is just as expensive in most if Europe too.. If not

more!

Correct, the only countries cheaper than us are France, Luxembourg and Spain for Diesel only. Everywhere else is about the same or a lot more. Germany and Belgium in particular are quiet a bit more expensive than here.

Isn't the Pre-Budget coming up this month. Fuel (duty) is bound to go up by 2p per litre. :(

I bet when VAT goes back to normal, fuel duty will not decrease to compensate, it will just go up by another 2.5%

Supply and demand, global warming, you name it it's going to put the prices up and to be honest we haven't seen a big price rise yet but they are coming, by 2015 it could be up to anywhere from £5 to £10 a litre

Source please? The prices you have hinted at would require oil to cost between $350 to $700 dollars a barrel. Believe me at those prices, the West would go to war with India and China to secure supplies.

Total Horlicks if you ask me. :rotz:.

The prices you have hinted at would require oil to cost between $350 to $700 dollars a barrel

At current exchange and taxation rates

At current exchange and taxation rates

It's not going to happen.

Fuel prices that high would pretty much cause the collapse of the entire economy.

It's not going to happen.

Fuel prices that high would pretty much cause the collapse of the entire economy.

How much is a barrel of oil is Zimbabwean dollars?

At current exchange and taxation rates

As DrZoidberg has pointed out, it will never be allowed to happen. Frankly, I am sick, of people posting unfounded scare mongering crud about fuel prices. Imagine £10 a litre, so £45.50 a gallon. 10 gallon fill up, £455 to fill small car. People couldn't drive to work, and there isn't enough public transport to cope.

Also at those prices, oil wouldn't sell, as the prices would destroy the economy of the purchasing country.

Even OPEC agree that a stable oil price of around $100 a barrel is needed for global economy stabilization. I think World leaders are at least smart enough, to realise that sustained growth, has to be balanced against available resources.

If oil got so expensive that say only China and America could afford to buy it , the following would happen. They couldn't sell goods to other countries, as said countries would have been plunged into the dark ages. Said countries would go to war to secure energy needs.

Current research, suggests oil demand will continue to be weak, during 2010, with prices remaining around the $70 to £80 mark. This will be followed by a stable price of between $100 to $150 a barrel for many years to come. That would see the return of diesel costing £6.00 a gallon, but that's a long way off £45 a gallon.

If they drop the duty on petrol, where will the government increase it to make up for the short fall in revenue?

Exactly. Or, where will they reduce spending?

It's not going to happen.

What's not going to happen?

I was surprised to find that even Turkey was more expensive than here.

Does anyone else remember the tax hikes used to be 1p or 2p per gallon, as soon as we went over to litres, it went to 1p or 2p per litre, ( with there being approx 4.5 L = 1 gal, the government were s******ing behind their expenses thinking - we have just stung the public for 4x more money).

Signed a dozen of them and i still see prices going up.

The most effective way to make a point (and its still not likely to do much) would be for the entire country to boycott their jobs for a day (on the same day) claiming they can't afford to get to work.

BUT that would never happen so its just pettitions.....

I won't be bothering with this one.

I know it's a hard one to fight but we are motoring enthusiasts, if you want your interes to become much more expensive in the future then just sit back and accept it. If we don't take up the fight, then who will? If we lose, we haven't lot much except a bit of time but if they even decide there is too much public unrest about what they are doing and decide not to increase it any more, then I think we have a victory and anyone who at least tried can feel good about that.

This is a democracy but we all seem to have forgotten what that's all about, the small man getting his say!

Faskoda, Oil's not just needed for fuel. All that would happen is the oil barons would increas prices as too little would be sold to make getting it cost effective.

The sooner the hold is broken with new technologies, the better.

Have a look here

The end of oil is closer than you think | Science | The Guardian

and then let your imagination sort out what is going to happen if this does come true....it will one day!!

Have a look here

The end of oil is closer than you think | Science | The Guardian

and then let your imagination sort out what is going to happen if this does come true....it will one day!!

That article was written in 2005 and is totally worthless. So many 'Peak oil' models were based on early and extremely flawed research. The doomsday people love this junk, but it is just that junk. The very nature of global economics, demands that there be supply and demand that can be met, not only in energy production, but the goods manufactured need to be sold to pay for the energy used to produce them.

If country [a] usually sells [x] units to country , then suddenly country collapses due to lack of energy, country [a] has no market, and requires less energy as they no longer produce export goods. It's a basic self leveling principle of global economics.

There have recently been huge oil finds, which have offset the optimistic oil reserves posted by certain countries, which at one time were such a worry to the experts.

People worry about the expansion of countries like India and China. What they often fail to understand, is the production shift to those countries, resulted in reduced energy demands in the countries that used to produce the goods.

If certain countries try to capitalize the energy market, you get protectionism, which causes global slow down, and reduced energy needs.

IMHO the world realised just in time, that alternative energy sources had to be developed. Fuel from algae is perhaps one of the most promising currently under development.

I don't disagree with what anyone's saying and I know there is the global oil market to consider too, there is very little we can do about that but we can say to our government, enough is enough.

They have got away with ignoring the public too easily in the last few years, the General election is coming, we need to let them know it can't go on. Renewable energy, I agree bring it on but in reality when is it going to happen?

How about a reduction in duty, but increase in price from the oil companies, and keep the overall price the same? That allows greater investment to explore harder to get at oil. If the fuel was too cheap, you get more cars and more congestion.

Thing is, with the current government balance sheet and falling tax revenues, the money to run the country has to come from somewhere.

As I have said before in other threads, scrap all duty and VAT on everything, scrap the entire tax system and replace it with a single PAYE tax on every penny earned. That of course would put 99% of civil servants out of a job, but I am sure most could adapt to the real world.

With a single tax, it is easier to see how efficient or otherwise a government is performing. People may be surprised to learn, that even with a single PAYE tax rate of 50% they would be better off.

I know it's a hard one to fight but we are motoring enthusiasts, if you want your interes to become much more expensive in the future then just sit back and accept it. If we don't take up the fight, then who will? If we lose, we haven't lot much except a bit of time but if they even decide there is too much public unrest about what they are doing and decide not to increase it any more, then I think we have a victory and anyone who at least tried can feel good about that.

This is a democracy but we all seem to have forgotten what that's all about, the small man getting his say!

I think you missed an important part of my post.

I have signed several of these over the years (they appear on different forums on a bi-monthly bassis) and yet i still see fuel getting dearer.

Its a bit like giving a Mute person a microphone. POINTLESS.

We're being heard, and ignored accordingly.

I didn't miss it, I just ignored it, Lol.

You can't give up though, like Chinese water torture, just keep dripping away, eventually they will have to listen.

I didn't miss it, I just ignored it, Lol.

You can't give up though, like Chinese water torture, just keep dripping away, eventually they will have to listen.

No they WONT... wake up and smell the cheese. After the last major fuel demonstrations they simply changed the law...:rotz:

On another note, I think it is amazing that such a refined product costs us so little, put it in perspective. We pay a lot more for far less refined products... a bottle of good wine costs over a tenner for 750ml, perfume £50 for 500ml...

I am still waiting to see a petition on them...

Edited 5 October, 200916 yr by P13SST