[cheezemonkhai]

So get the dealer to do the inspection of reason for failure to report back to VAG and insist you have a copy of this.

Also, if you had to get an inspection done by an indy place, then you could claim that as a cost against the other side should you win.

I see what you're saying, but it's ridiculous that they can get away with this.

[CRC]

Not much help, I know, but found this on an "Honest John" website

I might be tempted to look into getting this mod done for (hopefully) a few hundred quid, then fire it up and see what the score is? You never now .. if the revs were low, does the turbo spin? Engines will happily run for a short time with no oil pressure, as proved when you start a car after an oil change and there's those few seconds of noise, followed by the relief of the oil pressure light going out.

Think I'd be tempted to sort the oil pump drive, then fire it up and keep my fingers crossed.


Another problem of 2.0TDI PD 140s and 170s is failure of the oil pump. The oil pump is driven from a balancer shaft via a short hexagonal shaft. The peaks of this hexagonal shaft locate in six corresponding but minute grooves machined within the otherwise circular-bored oil pump drive shaft. Thus, the oil pump drive relies entirely on an interference fit of little more than 0.010" along the peaks of the hexagonal shaft. After about 50,000 miles, the shaft can round off, resulting in a totally destroyed engine and turbo, plus a bill of up to £9,000. If the danger is known and the oil pump is removed by the garage in good time, a new replacement pump will cost over £500, plus the labour etc to remove and refit it. However, it is also possible to save the old pump and modify the drive at a fraction of the cost of a new one. Many local machine shop already have numbers of these pumps in for such rectification, the drive shaft of each having been on the point of rounding off.

Taken from Honest John Website

[rotodiesel]

Whilst the sump is off it would be madness not to remove some (or preferably all) of the main bearing caps to assess the crank condition. If the main bearings have survived, the crank pins will generally be OK. The engine can then be re-assembled with a new or re-worked oil pump and the turbocharger condition assessed.

If the main bearings have not picked up, the engine can be repaired for the price of a new set of main shells and a recon turbocharger. New main bearing shells can be fitted in situ.

But then sell it.

rotodiesel.

This post has been edited by rotodiesel: 11 August 2010 - 18:04

[skodanut]

The garage who serviced my car called today to say they are going to fax to skoda uk the items and oil that was used for the superb...all ordered from TPS...so at least skoda uk will identify the part numbers. Having been online for a few late nights searching for information on the oil pump issue, an american so called vw owner forum was mentioning that they too have the issues in the states, mainly passats....didnt mention skoda :rofl: .....but the feeling over there was the members think the 5w/30 fully synthetic oil is actually no good for the engine....as it is too thin !! One member mentioned the fact the viscoity was too thin and didnt leave any oil on parts that actually needed it the most....hence the chain drive on the oil pump...so in effect the sprocket was wearing away slowly to the point of becoming a circle with no teeth, and the chain which is a harder material just ate into it and took all the teeth off !

So there is a debate as to whether the failed part was inferior or wasnt hard enough to cope with the stresses involved...or whether oil being too thin was to blame....think i'm beginning to sound like roto :rofl: ....but basically getting back to the superb, at least skoda uk will have the faxed information and we will go from there.

But having read roto's comments, it seems VW via skoda uk have the power and the expertise and the money to basically sqash any legal attempt to get them to repair any item that wasnt done by them...ie the servicing side by the main dealer...so i am now thinking along the lines of trying to get them to up the goodwill, as the way i see it, the mentioning of goodwill is basically a form of admission of the vw group knowing that they knew of the problem !! but i was told it was around 40% because i bought 5 cars from the dealer and nothing else !. I'll mention the vw finance for the superb and pile on the agony and see if i can up the goodwill gesture.....and then ask them to give me a maximum price i should have to pay in order to get the car back on the road. I noticed supurbia's comments on cancelling the greenilne...but if he saw my wife and saw her going into one ...he would see my point and let her drive the new superb... she has enough problems as it is, what with her disability and thats why i'm keeping out of it and letting her decide whats best for her imediate transport side of things....leaving me concentrating on trying to get our superb 140 engine worthy again.....and like rotodiesel quotes...then dispose of it ....so dammed annoying looking at the car knowing if the engine issue was sorted it will just be tempting to keep it...keep you posted.

[cheezemonkhai]

skodanut, on 11 August 2010 - 21:12, said:

The garage who serviced my car called today to say they are going to fax to skoda uk the items and oil that was used for the superb...all ordered from TPS...so at least skoda uk will identify the part numbers. Having been online for a few late nights searching for information on the oil pump issue, an american so called vw owner forum was mentioning that they too have the issues in the states, mainly passats....didnt mention skoda :rofl: .....but the feeling over there was the members think the 5w/30 fully synthetic oil is actually no good for the engine....as it is too thin !! One member mentioned the fact the viscoity was too thin and didnt leave any oil on parts that actually needed it the most....hence the chain drive on the oil pump...so in effect the sprocket was wearing away slowly to the point of becoming a circle with no teeth, and the chain which is a harder material just ate into it and took all the teeth off !

So there is a debate as to whether the failed part was inferior or wasnt hard enough to cope with the stresses involved...or whether oil being too thin was to blame....think i'm beginning to sound like roto :rofl: ....but basically getting back to the superb, at least skoda uk will have the faxed information and we will go from there.

But having read roto's comments, it seems VW via skoda uk have the power and the expertise and the money to basically sqash any legal attempt to get them to repair any item that wasnt done by them...ie the servicing side by the main dealer...so i am now thinking along the lines of trying to get them to up the goodwill, as the way i see it, the mentioning of goodwill is basically a form of admission of the vw group knowing that they knew of the problem !! but i was told it was around 40% because i bought 5 cars from the dealer and nothing else !. I'll mention the vw finance for the superb and pile on the agony and see if i can up the goodwill gesture.....and then ask them to give me a maximum price i should have to pay in order to get the car back on the road. I noticed supurbia's comments on cancelling the greenilne...but if he saw my wife and saw her going into one ...he would see my point and let her drive the new superb... she has enough problems as it is, what with her disability and thats why i'm keeping out of it and letting her decide whats best for her imediate transport side of things....leaving me concentrating on trying to get our superb 140 engine worthy again.....and like rotodiesel quotes...then dispose of it ....so dammed annoying looking at the car knowing if the engine issue was sorted it will just be tempting to keep it...keep you posted.

I'd still talk to the CAB as a strongly worded letter from a lawyer and a threat to cancel the order for the other car will usually see a favourable result.

I admit that the cost of a lawyer is not a concern that I have, however I'm just thinking that the dealer isn't going to have as much money to throw at a legal challenge as you may think.
Also having their staff, including the guy that took the engine apart and made the diagnosis in court rather than in the work shop isn't good for business either.

[skodanut]

I know every dealer up and down the counrty is different.....personally i've had courteous service from my local dealer and to be honest to take legal action against them would basically make me look like a leper in their eyes, and thats the last thing i want. The salesman even calls me by my first name, which in a way goes to show the friendliness of the staff, so to ruin the bond between customer and the dealer isnt exactly what i had in mind...although i can point out in no certain terms that my wife and i feel we have had a very bad deal regarding the engine and its longivity issues...and maybe they can do a bit more to resolve the problem. After all it doesnt take a wizzard to know that a diesel engine if looked after will do a very high mileage....so its no good them saying its what you call bad luck.

its just getting them to admit they do have a problem with the 2.0 engine.....one only has to go online and see the threads left by other owners who suffered the same fate...now some people are saying the 3.6 engine is having pump issues...so thats something else for some unsuspecting owner to worry needlesly about and possibly get checked out.

Makes you wonder if the vw beetle will still be around in another 60 odd yrs time.....they just seem to plod on and on. But i will be seeing the cab.....and get all the facts as to where i stand...and maybe they might come up with something i havent even thought about...but thats next week...meanwhile i'll wait till monday when the man from skoda uk gets the fax of receipts of the servicing that has been done on my car using genuine parts...and he cant grumble because the main dealer didnt do it......thats besides the point.....the parts were genuine full stop......i'd even get a monkey to change the oil if i knew it was more than capapble . Even the dealer wouldnt have known the pump was suspect, and in some threads online...one guy had his audi serviced and the pump went leaving him with a repair bill of 9k and basically the car written off !! this should not be happening and i think its about time something should be done about it.....because at the end of the day when they knew the engines were prone to oil pump failure when owners were coming in for repair, and they were still selling the cars at the time ( all marques ) then to me thats basically defrauding the customer. Sounds like obtaining a sale by deception....and that wouldnt look good in court !

[Supurbia]

"because at the end of the day when they knew the engines were prone to oil pump failure when owners were coming in for repair, and they were still selling the cars at the time ( all marques ) then to me thats basically defrauding the customer. Sounds like obtaining a sale by deception"


I like that, and should you end up seeing a solicitor I would mention theis FACT to him and see what he thinks.

[cheezemonkhai]

So obviously here we all were advocating what we thought was the right thing to do, but I'm just wondering if you had any luck either from the dealer, the CAB or another source?

[skodanut]

Well an update that id thought id mention on here...had a call and email from the fellow from skoda uk....basically saying that he was satisfied the car had been serviced using genuine parts....well even i knew that as i insisted genuine parts be used, and also the indy i used had a good reputation to uphold, so i knew he would use the parts i requested. Now skoda wants me to take the car to the dealer and let them investigate the problem...but before that, i am going to the cab and getting the low down as to where i stand...legally that is, and also if i either have a leg to stand on or if i dont.....but tomorrow's visit to the cab is purely to make an appointment, and hopefully speak with a solicitor and explain my predictament.

I'm not letting myself in for possible huge expense and basically being at their mercy as regarding determing what went wrong and how much it is going to cost.The fellow from skoda said that he would offer the goodwill when he got the full extent of what was wrong with the engine. As for them looking into what went wrong and knowing my luck, they will take the expensive option, and pile on the estimate to such an extent i would be faced with a huge bill at the end of it...and to me that is not on.

So its going to be a slowish affair, and i intend to do my homework before i decide what to do, and hopefully have the law on my side...and if that is possible, then maybe, just maybe the legal side of things might act on my behalf...and we'll go from there. I've read so many threads on different forums, and basically everyone of them have been fobbed off one way or another by the dealers...i might not get anywhere....but i wont give up without a fight , keep you posted