Have had the ESP light on for a few weeks now since it appeared on start up after a few days inactivity during the snow. Just been for MOT and it has failed. They say the ABS unit needs replacing and the fault code took them straight to it, although on checking, the ABS light is not on but deffo the ESP light (car with skid tracks sign). Doesn't make sense to me. Also it is £720 plus VAT for the unit plus fitting.

I thought, no problem, I will get a salvage part to keep costs down. I asked for the part number etc to make sure I got the exact same unit but, although they gave it to me, they waffled on about no gaurantee that the second hand unit will 'code in' even if the correct unit is bought second hand.

They did offer to 'try' Skoda to see if they will contribute as it is just 1 yr out of warranty and only 55k miles.

Has anyone had these ABS unit probs before and had ESP light up?? Thoughts appreciated as need to get sorted asap as MOT failure!

Cheers.

Edited 6 January, 201115 yr by xyster

The ABS unit failed on my S4. I replaced it with a complete unti from a salvage car with the same part number (and suffix). I used VAG-COM to recode it, although I used an RS4 code as I had RS4 brakes. All worked fine. Cost me £70 IIRC.

The unit on yours will be a TEVES MK60 unit? Quite a few threads on here about failures.

Have a search round, see if people have been successful with Skoda over replacements/contributions outside of warranty.

Steve

Found this. Interesting reading:

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/parts-and-accessories/2010-03/teves-mk-60-abs-module

Probably the same failure that a lot of ESP equipped cars, if the garage say the fault code is related to a G201 pressure sensor failure then this seems to be a regular occurance on cars in the VAG stable of a certain age. If so you can have the unit replaced, although there is a company, forgot the name at the moment, who say that they can fix the problem for about £300 provided you can be without your car for a few days while they have your abs unit.

Ian

Wardy beat me to it, that's the company mentioned in his link to Honest Johns website. Good work mister.

Edited 6 January, 201115 yr by countryboy

The details of the company offering rebuilds of the unit are in the article I linked to above. Must say, does sound like the best option as they seemed to have solved the design issue. Especially as a unit you have re-fitted could also have the same fault! So you could expect the same issue to come along further down the line

Have had the ESP light on for a few weeks now since it appeared on start up after a few days inactivity during the snow. Just been for MOT and it has failed. They say the ABS unit needs replacing and the fault code took them straight to it, although on checking, the ABS light is not on but deffo the ESP light (car with skid tracks sign). Doesn't make sense to me. Also it is £720 plus VAT for the unit plus fitting.

I thought, no problem, I will get a salvage part to keep costs down. I asked for the part number etc to make sure I got the exact same unit but, although they gave it to me, they waffled on about no gaurantee that the second hand unit will 'code in' even if the correct unit is bought second hand.

They did offer to 'try' Skoda to see if they will contribute as it is just 1 yr out of warranty and only 55k miles.

Has anyone had these ABS unit probs before and had ESP light up?? Thoughts appreciated as need to get sorted asap as MOT failure!

Cheers.

the valve block (only) is available on e-bay germany I understand they may be available from VW later in the year also there is supposed to be a repair kit from BMW

There is a repair kit for around £120 IIRC. The part number is posted on here somewhere.

A VAG dealer should be able to order it for you. If they won't play ball, then order it from Ebay.de or a German dealer.

I you are reasonably DIY capable then you can DIY. If not, then its a couple of hours labour at an independent.

Skoda do have a pretty good goodwill scheme going on this so if you have a full dealer service history its definately worth asking.

Skoda do have a pretty good goodwill scheme going on this so if you have a full dealer service history its definately worth asking.

Cheers guys. Lots of useful info there. I remember those G201 numbers from the dealer sheet I glimpsed. All it says on my failure sheet is ABS warning lamp indicates an abs fault. Still find it strange that the actual abs warning light is not lit when it is supposedly the abs unit at fault. Why does this light the ESP warning light??

What I will do I think is explore each option. If Skoda will contribute then I will see by how much. I will explore that link for the unit repair at around £300 although I think it will depend on where they are??

Not sure what model it is. I have the part number. 1KO 614 517 AF BEF is the full part number they gave me.

Someone mentioned a repair kit the dealer could (possibly) order? They never mentioned that as an option. I will ask about that as well. Like Wardy says though, commonsense says the BEST option is the unit rebuild but, as said, it depends where they are as the logistics of getting car to/from wrong end of country is a pain.

Cheers again guys. Will have a looksy tomorrow.

As far as I know dealers have not been officially told about the repair kit as yet and it isnt availabe for us to order so dont be suprised if a dealer looks at you blankly.

As far as I know dealers have not been officially told about the repair kit as yet and it isnt availabe for us to order so dont be suprised if a dealer looks at you blankly.

OK.

I have sent an email to ECUTESTING.COM about the repair they do. It is in Nottinham so a couple of hours on the train from Hull.

I cannot see me getting the job done at Skoda for £350 (out of interest what have Skoda been contributing on these new units anyone???) and even if I could, as stated, the new unit has the design flaw as well. Hopefully I can get the repair/rebuild done in the next 2 weeks and get the retest done.

Thanks again for your help guys. Much appreciated.

Edited 6 January, 201115 yr by xyster

OK.

I have sent an email to ECUTESTING.COM about the repair they do. It is in Nottinham so a couple of hours on the train from Hull.

I cannot see me getting the job done at Skoda for £350 (out of interest what have Skoda been contributing on these new units anyone???) and even if I could, as stated, the new unit has the design flaw as well. Hopefully I can get the repair/rebuild done in the next 2 weeks and get the retest done.

Thanks again for your help guys. Much appreciated.

100% parts in some cases, 100% total in others really depends on circumstances and conditions.

Isn't the issue with salvage / second-hands part that ALL such units have the design flaw, so (in theory) will all fail...???

the repair kit isnt available for us to order yet, VAG dont want to get stuck with the 500 odd units they still have in stock

I think I will end up going down the new unit route cos ECUTESTING.COM do not work on the vehicle. It would mean me taking the car to a dealer/garage, getting the unit off, sending it away for 5 days then giving the refurbed unit back to garage to refit. Also at £350+ vat = £420 + 2 hrs labour at least at garage = £80-100 so total of £500-520 minimum. IF Skoda do 100% parts then all I will pay is 2 hrs labour!!

Right, on the phone to Skoda.

I'd strongly advise getting the repair kit from Germany (try a German dealer). It apparently has a modified/upgraded sensor.

The repair kit appears to have been available in Germany since about July 2010. There are several write-ups on the German forums. Its look a pretty easy repair.

If you buy a used/salavge item the problem will recurr. Ditto if you get a new 'old stock' unit from VAG.

Exactly. My issue would be that even if the dealer does change the unit (no matter what contribution you get from them) it may well be the old-style unit. Which means the problem is very likely to occur again. OK that option might be cheaper depending on the contribution and less hassle, but I wouldn't want to go through this with the chance that it'll re-occur.

If I were in this position I'd either be looking at the re-build option from ECU, or looking into this repair kit option.

Steve

I am going to look for the repair kit I think. As stated, even doing the ECU rebuild will end up at £550+. If I can get the repair kit around £120 then 2 hrs labour it will be cheaper option and it sounds like ECU are maybe fitting these repair kits to the units anyway???

Does anyone know where to get the part number from for these German repair kits to save me trolling through posts and Ebay??? Or I could try our local VAG specialist in case they are sourcing them??

In Germany the item is called "Reparatursatz für ABS-Hydraulikeinheit" (repair kit for ABS-hydraulic unit) and has the part number 1K0 698 517 B. Price is £127.16+VAT. It is described thus: replacement for following hydraulic blocks:

1K0 614 517 B, C, D, E, H, J, M, N, Q, T, AA, AB, AE, AF,

3T0 614 517 und 3T0 614 517 A

2K3 614 517

1K0 614 518

The part number of your unit is indicated on a sticker by the electric motor housing.

The repair kit consists of the replacement hydraulic block, two replacement bolts which bolt it to the motor assy, and two blanking plugs to blank off the brake pipe outlets in the old block (to prevent fluid leaking into the engine compartment during the repair). The new block comes pre-filled with fluid.

After replacement of the unit and clearing down the G201 sensor fault, use VCDS to go into measurement block 66, login code 40 168 and (with no load on the pedal!) do a basic setting of the zero pressure point.

HTH

In Germany the item is called "Reparatursatz für ABS-Hydraulikeinheit" (repair kit for ABS-hydraulic unit) and has the part number 1K0 698 517 B. Price is £127.16+VAT. It is described thus: replacement for following hydraulic blocks:

1K0 614 517 B, C, D, E, H, J, M, N, Q, T, AA, AB, AE, AF,

3T0 614 517 und 3T0 614 517 A

2K3 614 517

1K0 614 518

The part number of your unit is indicated on a sticker by the electric motor housing.

The repair kit consists of the replacement hydraulic block, two replacement bolts which bolt it to the motor assy, and two blanking plugs to blank off the brake pipe outlets in the old block (to prevent fluid leaking into the engine compartment during the repair). The new block comes pre-filled with fluid.

After replacement of the unit and clearing down the G201 sensor fault, use VCDS to go into measurement block 66, login code 40 168 and (with no load on the pedal!) do a basic setting of the zero pressure point.

HTH

You're a star. Many thanks. Am waiting to see what Skoda will pay towards new unit but might ring dealer and ask the cost if doing the above if I supply the kit. That is IF they will touch it?

Frankly you might be better finding an enthusiastic independent to do the job.

Removal and refitting of the unit, and the repair itself, looks to be pretty straightforward and should be all in a day's work to a competent motor tech. The main thing is that they have some suitable diagnostic/coding tool (e.g. VCDS) to assist during the bleeding a coding of the new unit.

Frankly you might be better finding an enthusiastic independent to do the job.

Removal and refitting of the unit, and the repair itself, looks to be pretty straightforward and should be all in a day's work to a competent motor tech. The main thing is that they have some suitable diagnostic/coding tool (e.g. VCDS) to assist during the bleeding a coding of the new unit.

I have just tried a local VAG specialist who said they knew nothing of repair kits or refurbing the units and advised a new abs unit!! By 'independant' do you mean a general motor mechanic rather than VAG specialist? One last port of call is a local BMW specialist who my wife uses. They are decent enough and may have had dealings with these suspect Teves MK60 units. Only trouble is they won't have the diagnostic equipment for VAG.

According to the part numbers,mine is not on the list its a 1K0 907 379 AC does this mean the kit will still fit or have I got something special?

It's a 2007 Vrs diesel

Trev

According to the part numbers,mine is not on the list its a 1K0 907 379 AC does this mean the kit will still fit or have I got something special?

It's a 2007 Vrs diesel

Trev

I think that's the ECU number you are quoting there. The pump/block number that goes with that should be 1K0 614 517 AE. So yes, this kit should do the job for you.