http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/278209/new_vw_mqb_unveiled.html

Sounds like the Octavia 3 VRS diesel could have 187bhp.

Edited 4 February, 201214 yr by Ultima

Still underpowered then

Still underpowered then

Other articles have said there could be a 270bhp petrol VRS.

Other articles have said there could be a 270bhp petrol VRS.

I seriously doubt that. That would need 4wd and would be in Golf R and Audi S3 territory.

I seriously doubt that. That would need 4wd and would be in Golf R and Audi S3 territory.

http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/2794/new-skoda-octavia-renderings

The new Skoda Octavia will arrive in 2013, and will continue to be available in both sedan and five-door versions, as well as the Octavia Wagon or “Combi” family car. The new Octavia will share the same platform as other cars from the Volkswagen group such as the Audi A3 and the and Volkswagen Golf. The new platform will emerge in 2011, firstly with the new A3, and then the Golf 7 will adopt it in 2012.

The new Skoda Octavia will have a sporty style and we should also see a jump in quality, while keeping its reputation for comfort. The Octavia might adopt the Twin Door system seen on the Superb, and the new generation will be slightly larger, gaining six centimetres in with and being 4cm longer in the wheel base for a total of 262 cm.

Both occupant and boot space will be larger in new Octavia, and we should see some new engine technology, including Start&Stop as standard. The 1.2-litre TSI engine will have Greenline technology emitting less than 100 g/km of CO2, while the top of the range will be represented by the RS versione with the 2.0-litre TSI with 270 hp (the same engine as that of the Golf R). The Octavia Wagon will also have 4×4 and Scout versions.

http://www.automobile-magazine.fr/actualites/scoops/skoda/skoda_octavia_3

Translated:

Behind the chrome grille, the Octavia will use engines already known developments. The 1.4 TSI and 1.6 TDI will remain at the heart of the range, but all adopt a Stop & Start device, whereas no hybrid version is scheduled. Skoda will also accept a small 1.2 TSI on board, and should emit less than 100 g CO2/km in Alternative Greenline. At the other end of the range, the RS will approach the 270 hp VW Golf R. Scout and finishing, with the AWD, is invited back to the catalog. Technically, there is also a new parking assistant and an adaptive cruise control, optional. Enriched in this way, the future will show Octavia, however a higher price, leaving room for a cheaper model. But this time, no way to plug the hole with the previous generation Octavia, renamed "Tour" for the occasion. The Czech brand think, in fact, a separate model, designed to seriously address the low-cost competition - including the Dacia Logan, which dominates in emerging markets.

Edited 4 February, 201214 yr by Ultima

I seriously doubt that. That would need 4wd and would be in Golf R and Audi S3 territory.

wouldn't need 4wd

wouldn't need 4wd

I still seriously doubt it will ever happen.

It would need 4WD for my money as mine struggles with putting down ~255bhp. Before someone says diff, whilst I am sure that helps it isn't going to be as good as 4WD.

But when in 2013 would we expect to see this?

I will be buying a new vrs in 2013 but would prefer the option of a new model over old.

I seriously doubt that. That would need 4wd and would be in Golf R and Audi S3 territory.

Isnt the scirocco R FWD?

Isnt the scirocco R FWD?

Yep and I wouldn't want one for that reason.

Yep and I wouldn't want one for that reason.

And the Cupra R. Press say the Scirocco R is better than the Golf R because it isn't 4WD. But everyone is entitled etc.

Sounds great I will be waiting for the platform to settle before jumping in though. I can understand wanting the newest model but there is something very comforting in a tried, tested and very satisfactory older platform. 270 hp sounds good in any configuration but would struggle to get that onto the road in low gears if there is no proper LSD or rear wheel drive (or both).

Why would they use the same (old) engine as in the Golf R? Sounds like mindless speculation to me.

Why would they use the same (old) engine as in the Golf R? Sounds like mindless speculation to me.

Agree. Remember the positioning of the skoda brand in the VW group too. That would mean the vRS is competing with the flagship mk 6 Golf R in the performance stakes and implies the mk7 gti would also need to be 270 bhp and the mk7 R 320+.

I'd expect 225-250 tops for the GTI and a little less for the other brands to file in behind. I still think the Octavia/A3/Leon FR will be 220 tops. S3/R around 300hp

Why would they use the same (old) engine as in the Golf R? Sounds like mindless speculation to me.

I'm still quite surprised the Golf R/Scirocco R and Leon R are still using the TFSI engine even now (not that it's a bad one).

187bhp diesel, that would make it the twin turbo d thats in the vw tranporter. mmmmm I see alot of tunning going to happen.

Probably a fair bet that a Mk.VII GTI will have a newer engine. Might be wrong of course but relying on a revamped legacy engine to meet ever more demanding emissions and economy regulations doesn't sound too likely to me. I would imagine we will see a newer engine platform with differing state-of-tune variants to meet all the demands and at the same time preserve the differentiation in branding and price-points. Would the R engine have the same angle of tilt as the other engines mentioned here?

Agree. Remember the positioning of the skoda brand in the VW group too. That would mean the vRS is competing with the flagship mk 6 Golf R in the performance stakes and implies the mk7 gti would also need to be 270 bhp and the mk7 R 320+.

The Octavia is a bigger and heavier car than the Golf though, so won't be quite as sharp and agile. When Fifth Gear tested a VRS against a Golf GTI with the same engine it was over a second slower around the track in Angelsey.

Edited 4 February, 201214 yr by Ultima

The Octavia is a bigger and heavier car than the Golf though, so won't be quite as sharp and agile. When Fifth Gear tested a VRS against a Golf GTI with the same engine is was a second slower around the track in Angelsey.

And also remember the next gen Octavia is supposed to be bigger again which might just take it out of the Golf Class??

Yes but the Octavia is faster as it is more aerodynamic :p

The Octavia is a bigger and heavier car than the Golf though, so won't be quite as sharp and agile. When Fifth Gear tested a VRS against a Golf GTI with the same engine it was over a second slower around the track in Angelsey.

The difference in size and weight is minimal and is also not necessarily why the golf gti is sharper and more agile. I also don't actually understand the point you're trying to make in the context of what I had previously said.

Edited 4 February, 201214 yr by Guest

The difference in size and weight is minimal and is also not necessarily why the golf gti is sharper and more agile. I also don't actually understand the point you're trying to make in the context of what I had previously said.

Extra length and weight is bound to affect the agility, its what the reviews say. VW like to see themselves as worth paying extra, for more refinement and a better drive, even though alot of people won't agree (me included). Therefore VW won't mind a competing brand within their own group. The point I was making is if there is a VRS similar to a Golf GTI, then why can't there be an Octavia similar to the Golf R, with the same engine?

Edited 4 February, 201214 yr by Ultima

Extra length and weight is bound to affect the agility, its what the reviews say. VW like to see themselves as worth paying extra, for more refinement and a better drive, even though alot of people won't agree (me included). Therefore VW won't mind a competing brand within their own group. The point I was making is if there is a VRS similar to a Golf GTI, then why can't there be an Octavia similar to the Golf R, with the same engine?

weight and size are only two factors affecting agility and handling, the suspension setup and balanced weight distribution amongst other things play a part.

Golf gti vs vrs [both standard] then the gti does drive and handle better, but it's not leagues ahead and doesn't justify extra cost.

As I said before, the positioning of the skoda brand within the vw group means it won't happen.

Very interesting points. There are a lot of politics in car companies and V.A.G are the same as many , there is usally a hieracy , with VAG it's Bugatti,Bently,Lamborgini,Audi,Volkswagen,with Skoda and Seat together in roughly that order. So as a rule of thumb similar models in the same range for example volkswagen , skoda and seat ...outright performance will go in that order. Due to subtle things like software programing for ecus, gearing , and suspension set ups, traction control. It's quite easy to have a heiracy of performance when you control all the cards. It's the same reason while you will never see for example a 3 door seat leon cupra r. Just politics and money.

This new platform seems very interesting and a lot more thoughful than fords global platform. The extra wheelbase and shorter overhangs should really improve basic handling. Lets just hope they look good.