1.2 tsi total engine failure

[Pcronin]

Hi thanks for accepting me I the group.  

I have a question regarding the fabia 1.2 tsi dsg engine.  I have a 161 model which has had a major engine failure.  Skoda Ireland are claiming it is a result of no oil being in the car since September.  

Now considering the car was first purchased new in march 2016 and there is only just over 20k km on the car and the fact that at no point did any dashboard warning lights show low oil or oil pressure .

 

Of my little knowledge on the workings of an engine I have never heard of of an engine that would run without oil for 4 months with not a single oil level light flashing on the dashboard.  Is this not a fault in the car if it has somehow lost oil and not shown any warning?

 

Skoda are saying they won't cover the engine under warranty on a car that was 9 months old when this happens.  So a total new engine required in a 9 month old car and they claim it's not their issue. 

 

 

Has anyone heard of any such issues in Skoda engines ? 

Any thoughts would be very welcome as I am going to have to go the  legal route with this.  It's also worth nothing for other Skoda owners how Skoda are dealing with the matter.

Thanks in advance 

Patrick

Edited 27 January, 2017 by Pcronin

[Ootohere]

Welcome to the forum.

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How did the person doing the Report on the engine get to the conclusion there was no oil in the engine since September?

Is this from information from an investigation of the ECU.  which is rather unusual if it is not showing why there was no Low Oil level or Low Oil Pressure Warnings.

 

The Warranty does have 'Exclusions' if a driver / owner / keeper ignore warning lights, 

so were there warning lights, did you fail to stop, check & top up oil or get Skoda Assist or to a Dealership?

 

See Owners Manual & see the Warranty Booklet you get or should.

I will link the UK one.

http://skoda.co.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/Brochures/Warranty-Booklet-single.pdf

 

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SINCE COLLECTION THE CAR HAD YOU CHECKED THE OIL LEVEL, HAD TO TOP UP THE OIL, BEEN AT A DEALERSHIP 
FOR ANY WORK, OR WHAT IF ANY IS THERE THAT IS IMPORTANT FROM MARCH TO SEPTEMBER TO THE ENGINE FAILURE?

The car was not losing oil (ie leaking) if it was using oil, if low oil levels were not showing with a warning light SKODA IRELAND & SKODA CZ need to investigate that.

 

You need all, the stuff from Skoda Ireland in Writing.

You need to know the qualifications of the person that is doing the investigation of the engines failure and advising

Skoda IRELAND.(edit)

& you need legal advice.

 

good luck.

george

 

Edited 27 January, 2017 by Offski

[Pcronin]

Hi George 

 

I would understand completely if I ignored warning lights of oil or any other engine issue.  But not a single one appeared on the dashboard before the engine blew while doing about 30km per hour. 

 

The car was dropped to a main Skoda dealer and they had Skoda technicians come to them to inspect the car and they are the ones claiming the oil issue. 

 

I am currently waiting on the actual written report.  This is what I was told by the garage who have now returned the car completely unrepaired and with a blown engine 

 

 

[Ootohere]

So that is what they claim.

You just continue with your Warranty Claim & Skoda Ireland will need to have someone possibly more qualified than the Dealership Master Technician do an Examination of the Engine & Vehicle (Components)

or the Technician Skoda Ireland sent out to the dealership if they did do that .

 

9 Month old engine should cause concern for Skoda / VW and they should want the engine in the hands of Experts.

Factory Experts. The Engine Engineering Department Experts.

(Previous generation engines did have failings which require updates of components, so VW need to be right on this 

with Euro 6 engines.)

 

YOU MAY NEED TO ARRANGE AN INDEPENDENT MOTOR ENGINEER (EXPERT) to do an Examination & report on your behalf, 

but best discuss this with a solicitor or your Trading Standards or who ever you have in Ireland.

 

EDIT.

I hope you do not mind if i get your case out to a wider audience where there might be more in the know.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/423107-who-or-what-is-the-biggest-threat-to-skoda

 

Edited 27 January, 2017 by Offski

[Pcronin]

Thanks George thats the next plan after I receive the report.   I put it out there to see if anyone else is aware of any issues with engine failures or more importantly no warning lights on oil levels on a new car. 

 

Much appreciated thanks 

Patrick 

[Pcronin]

No not at all George I would be glad if any input from a wider audience.  I can't imagine I'm alone in this. Thanks. Try much 

[Pcronin]

No not at all George I would be glad if any input from a wider audience.  I can't imagine I'm alone in this. Thanks. Try much 

[CapstanPlug]

Sorry to hear that, man.  Seems VW/Skoda Irl have a history of playing hardball. Friends and family have had experiences with VW and Skoda with Engine, gearbox and driveshaft issues - on year to two-year old VW and Skoda. They seem to come around once you show your teeth - a number of times - and realise you're not going away.

Even it means having a word with Joe Duffy ! (Sorry, hate to pull that one on you man - but it might go to that).

 

And what @Offski says.

[Pcronin]

11 minutes ago, Dithane said:

Sorry to hear that, man.  Seems VW/Skoda Irl have a history of playing hardball. Friends and family have had experiences with VW and Skoda with Engine, gearbox and driveshaft issues - on year to two-year old VW and Skoda. They seem to come around once you show your teeth - a number of times - and realise you're not going away.

Even it means having a word with Joe Duffy ! (Sorry, hate to pull that one on you man - but it might go to that).

 

And what @Offski says.

Thanks that's helpful in that I know at least a dogged chasing of the issue might actually get me somewhere.  I have no problems chasing them and bringing the issue to places like Joe Duffy or to a national newspaper.  The car is too new to not show some teeth and there response as it stands is far from satisfactory.  Thanks for the info 

[Ootohere]

Just in case any senior VW Group management / board members, journalists, solicitors or even VW fan boys or VW GROUP Engine failure deniers are reading this forum and dismiss 'Forums over blowing issues' here are some examples of the VW, Skoda, Audi, Seat 3 monkeys.

(limited numbers of failures obviously, but then the issues are long running and continuing to this day, Euro 5 & now Euro 6 with some engines.)

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/266114-18tsi-and-20tsi-engine-failures

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/422485-12-tsi-yeti-new-engine-running-in-period-for-oil-change

[rum4mo]

That is shocking news, my wife has a VW Polo August 2015 reg'd late July 2015 build, with a 1.2TSI 110 engine, though with 6MT, I keep an eye on the oil level and it has not moved either in the first year's 7.8K miles or the remaining mileage after an oil change, which is now just over 10K.

 

Rejecting a warranty claim over engine failure at 9 months 12.5K miles - really takes the biscuit, unless there is something we don't know.

 

Skoda Ireland - shame on you, I just hope this disclosure causes someone at Skoda a job termination!

 

Edit:- now that story needs spread around all the other VW marque forums to make people aware of what might happen to their car they own, or for any VW group car they buy!

Edited 27 January, 2017 by rum4mo

[Pcronin]

2 hours ago, rum4mo said:

That is shocking news, my wife has a VW Polo August 2015 reg'd late July 2015 build, with a 1.2TSI 110 engine, though with 6MT, I keep an eye on the oil level and it has not moved either in the first year's 7.8K miles or the remaining mileage after an oil change, which is now just over 10K.

 

Rejecting a warranty claim over engine failure at 9 months 12.5K miles - really takes the biscuit, unless there is something we don't know.

 

Skoda Ireland - shame on you, I just hope this disclosure causes someone at Skoda a job termination!

 

Edit:- now that story needs spread around all the other VW marque forums to make people aware of what might happen to their car they own, or for any VW group car they buy!

Im currently waiting on the written report to get the full picture of the reasoning behind there refusal to repair the car under warranty.  At the moment i am only going on what the dealer has told me and that the Skoda engineers apparently told them.     Its highly frustrating and it will be next week before I have the report but in the meantime I don't have a good impression of the Skoda group in their handling of the matter.    I think it may be time to go back to old trusty Toyotas 

 

 

 

[Pcronin]

2 hours ago, rum4mo said:

That is shocking news, my wife has a VW Polo August 2015 reg'd late July 2015 build, with a 1.2TSI 110 engine, though with 6MT, I keep an eye on the oil level and it has not moved either in the first year's 7.8K miles or the remaining mileage after an oil change, which is now just over 10K.

 

Rejecting a warranty claim over engine failure at 9 months 12.5K miles - really takes the biscuit, unless there is something we don't know.

 

Skoda Ireland - shame on you, I just hope this disclosure causes someone at Skoda a job termination!

 

Edit:- now that story needs spread around all the other VW marque forums to make people aware of what might happen to their car they own, or for any VW group car they buy!

Im currently waiting on the written report to get the full picture of the reasoning behind there refusal to repair the car under warranty.  At the moment i am only going on what the dealer has told me and that the Skoda engineers apparently told them.     Its highly frustrating and it will be next week before I have the report but in the meantime I don't have a good impression of the Skoda group in their handling of the matter.    I think it may be time to go back to old trusty Toyotas 

 

 

 

[Ootohere]

Have you no personal contact with SKODA IRELAND & a rejection of the Warranty Claim from the WARRANTY PROVIDER?

 

Best get your request off by Email & a Call Handler can have a Communications Manager contact you,

They can Email the 'Experts report' & reason for rejection. Even on a Friday at 4.30 or first thing Monday.

They might even be in over the weekend, organising launches of Kodiaq and the likes, the stuff they like to have in magazines and online.

[Pcronin]

2 minutes ago, Offski said:

Have you no personal contact with SKODA IRELAND & a rejection of the Warranty Claim from the WARRANTY PROVIDER?

 

Best get your request off by Email & a Call Handler can have a Communications Manager contact you,

They can Email the 'Experts report' & reason for rejection. Even on a Friday at 4.30 or first thing Monday.

They might even be in over the weekend, organising launches of Kodiaq and the likes, the stuff they like to have in magazines and online.

No I have a rejection from the dealer who said it came from the specialists that came to look at the car from skoda ireland and that I will get the full report / rejection next week.  

 

frustrating to say the least.  as it stands I dont have enough information to hand for me  to chase this through as I need to see the written report with their exact findings and their reasoning.  Then I can pursue it with independent assessors and the legal route to get a solution. 

[Ootohere]

So from the rejection that the Skoda Dealership says a Specialist rejected a Warranty Action you have no Courtesy Car at present?

 

Is there no Skoda Assist in Ireland?

It looks like Skoda Ireland are going to be due you a fair bit of money for any inconvenience plus fitting a new engine.

[DGW]

 

How often have you checked the engine oil level using the dipstick?

[Pcronin]

13 minutes ago, Offski said:

So from the rejection that the Skoda Dealership says a Specialist rejected a Warranty Action you have no Courtesy Car at present?

 

Is there no Skoda Assist in Ireland?

It looks like Skoda Ireland are going to be due you a fair bit of money for any inconvenience plus fitting a new engine.

That's it exactly I have had no courtesy car since it happened I have waited and waited for an expert from Skoda to look at the car and finally after weeks of waiting they are stating that they will not cover it for the exact reason I am unsure of as of yet.  

 

They are trying every way to get out of covering it claiming the car was involved in a crash that could have caused engine damage.  the car was involved in a minor tip with only cosmetic damage done to wings and bonnet.  The genuine Skoda parts to repair were purchased from the dealer of which they have a record of and not one single item was purchased for engine repair as it did not require it.   But they are looking for any reason other than a fault in their engine. 

[Pcronin]

29 minutes ago, DGW said:

 

How often have you checked the engine oil level using the dipstick?

The engine oil was checked regularly as it was noted that these engines may burn excessive oil.  The most recent being less than two weeks before the engine failure.   And it was 100% at that point

Edited 27 January, 2017 by Pcronin

[Ootohere]

Did the body repairer have a full electronics safety check carried out on the vehicle before carrying out body repairs, & where they a Skoda Approved Repairer?

[Pcronin]

4 minutes ago, Offski said:

Did the body repairer have a full electronics safety check carried out on the vehicle before carrying out body repairs, & where they a Skoda Approved Repairer?

I believe so but I am awaiting 100% confirmation with details 

[James@RRG_Skoda_Rochdale]

I'm interested to hear exactly what led to the issue as sudden catastrophic engine failure on such a new car is very uncommon (but not unheard of).

 

I've had very few issues with the late TSI engines and have only replaced 1 complete unit for camshaft pulley failure.

Edited 27 January, 2017 by James@RRGRochdale

[rum4mo]

14 hours ago, James@RRGRochdale said:

I'm interested to hear exactly what led to the issue as sudden catastrophic engine failure on such a new car is very uncommon (but not unheard of).

 

I've had very few issues with the late TSI engines and have only replaced 1 complete unit for camshaft pulley failure.

 

Camshaft pulley failure:- was that failure of the variable timing pulley, ie it had started to come apart, as in fixings slackening? I've seen that reported on a couple of Polos in Australasia right at the beginning of the later belt driven engines (1.2) deliveries - what was said was that VW supplied some interim pulleys to sort out these engines (my guess) and quickly revised these pulleys as that pulley on my wife's August 2015 Polo did not look the same as the replacement that was fitted to one of the Australasian Polo 1.2 that was fixed by VW.  The suggestion from that poster/owner was for others to get in there and have a look, if there is signs of an oil leak, get it looked at while it is still intact. Though I've never heard this pulley failure mentioned anywhere else on Skoda/VW/SEAT forums.

 

Edit:- maybe getting near time for me to have another look!

Edited 28 January, 2017 by rum4mo

[ettlz]

1 hour ago, rum4mo said:

 

Camshaft pulley failure:- was that failure of the variable timing pulley, ie it had started to come apart, as in fixings slackening? I've seen that reported on a couple of Polos in Australasia right at the beginning of the later belt driven engines (1.2) deliveries - what was said was that VW supplied some interim pulleys to sort out these engines (my guess) and quickly revised these pulleys as that pulley on my wife's August 2015 Polo did not look the same as the replacement that was fitted to one of the Australasian Polo 1.2 that was fixed by VW.  The suggestion from that poster/owner was for others to get in there and have a look, if there is signs of an oil leak, get it looked at while it is still intact. Though I've never heard this pulley failure mentioned anywhere else on Skoda/VW/SEAT forums.

 

Edit:- maybe getting near time for me to have another look!

 

Interesting. I don't know if this is the same thing as you're talking about, but mine's booked in for a replacement of bits in that area because the cambelt was over-tightened, which first came to my attention as a rocking noise coming from the VVT actuator at idle when hot. I'm told mine's not the only one that makes the noise. I've attached a recording -- as well as the injectors ticking and normal engine whirr, there's a wobbly, creaky, knocking noise.

 

I suspect mine has used a bit of oil in its first 2500 miles, but it's still good and within what the manual says. I've never had any noticable oil consumption on a VAG engine before, but this is my first TSI so for now I'm putting this down to a new, complex engine and checking regularly with the dipstick.

12tsi110-engine-sound.mp3

Edited 28 January, 2017 by ettlz

[James@RRG_Skoda_Rochdale]

Yeah it was the variable inlet pulley that was the cause but this issue was dealt with really quickly and any affected vehicles had them replaced. 

 

We literally only had one failure on a 2013 car.