Views on using this Oil.

[promethian]

I have a 2011 1.8tsi L&K and no problems with it at all.

I am carrying out fixed oil changes every 6000 ish miles.

This Oil is really cheap and delivery is free.

Has anyone ordered from here before and is it genuine?

Views on this Oil and deal welcome.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-VW-VOLKSWAGEN-5-LITRE-QUANTUM-PLATINUM-ENGINE-OIL-5W-40-ZGB115QLB00521-/252905327528?hash=item3ae2550ba8:g:ElEAAOSwBLlU2JYA

Edited 24 May, 2017 by promethian

[maverick54]

Just bought this to try in my 1.4 TSI http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Car-Engine-Oil-Shell-Helix-Ultra-SAE-5W40-Fully-Synthetic-5L-ACEA-A3-B4-5-Litres-/400920786905?hash=item5d58bdb7d9:g:dAoAAOSwA3dYMzfl

[Ootohere]

Both Good Oil's for a TSI on Fixed Servicing,

and buying from the PARKS MOTOR GROUP should not be an issue, they have the Franchise for McLaren in Scotland, 

have Porsche, Bentley and other prestige Dealerships.

 

Just be sure not to trust having your Skoda Serviced by them in Dealerships, there are so many mumpties there.

They even tell you at Parks Skoda in Hamilton that 5w 40 Full Synthetic VW 502 00 is 'Semi Synthetic' so they must use 5W 30 FS Long Life.

 

[gav_is_con]

You can get long life 3 for the same price off eBay. Think same seller. Gold can. No brainier if same price as platinum PD oil. 

[Ootohere]

'Long Life Oil',   can equal Short life 1.4,1.8, 2.0 TSI Euro 5 engines.    Do you want Variable Servicing and over 10,000 miles between Filter Changes.

 Maybe a no brainer for some to just buy the VW Group recommended 5w 30 FS LL3, but worth doing some research.

Fixed Servicing, Quality 5W 40 Full Synthetic which is not Long Life, nothing to do with paying less for the Oil, just not £4,500 on an engine.

 

[TheClient]

Yes, I think both postings are genuine

 

I've purchased off parks motor group ebay before, they are a VAT registered dealer AFAIR. And the shell helix ebay listing is carparts4less which is part of eurocarparts. Both are vw 502.00 fixed servicing approved for petrol servicing. They both should be decent oils. Although, i've seen some recent information in these forums that suggests Acea A3/B4 in 502 might be even better than C3 for the EA888 1.8/2.0TSI so the Shell might be a better option.

 

Certainly at 6K intervals you are doing the best you can for longevity.

[gav_is_con]

23 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

'Long Life Oil',   can equal Short life 1.4,1.8, 2.0 TSI Euro 5 engines.    Do you want Variable Servicing and over 10,000 miles between Filter Changes.

 Maybe a no brainer for some to just buy the VW Group recommended 5w 30 FS LL3, but worth doing some research.

Fixed Servicing, Quality 5W 40 Full Synthetic which is not Long Life, nothing to do with paying less for the Oil, just not £4,500 on an engine.

 

Is the LL3 oil not exceeding the quality of oil required even though used for fixed interval servicing ?

[promethian]

5 minutes ago, gav_is_con said:

Is the LL3 oil not exceeding the quality of oil required even though used for fixed interval servicing ?

I was of the opinion that LL3 was formulated specifically for diesel engines ? 504/507 rather than 502/505

Edited 24 May, 2017 by promethian

[Ootohere]

The OP is asking about a 1.8tsi is he not?

 

Long Life oil and dirty diesels are a whole different kettle of emissions producers. 

VW Group know best, and like to push the wonderful produce that they get cheaply, special produce for their 100% reliable products.

Vorsprung Durch Technik. 

If only everything in life was as reliable as a Golf.....or a VW Engine.

[TheClient]

LL3 is ok, I used to use it even on fixed servicing thinking it was the best option. I don't think it is a bad oil at all.  But if you are going to change at fixed intervals the additives are unnecessary and probably better options can be found, such as the links at the two posts at the start of this thread.

Edited 24 May, 2017 by TheClient

[promethian]

Thanks guys... and thanks for the link Maverick

[brad1.8T]

11 hours ago, promethian said:

I was of the opinion that LL3 was formulated specifically for diesel engines ? 504/507 rather than 502/505

504.00 is the petrol specification.  It's what I'd use, even on fixed intervals.  You'll get slightly less inlet gunking with 504.00

[Ootohere]

Do you really get less inlet gunk using 5w 30 rather than 5w 40 that is not long life oil?

Could you show where this has been shown to be the fact, or are you finding this when stripping down TSI engines?

** Plenty TSI's have needed stripping down and rebuilding when using the VW 504 00 Spec Oil.

VW Biggest Car Manufacturer in the World forgets Vorsprung Durch Technik, rather punt out Leased Fleet Vehicles, 

pile them high and Finance them and forget the buyers of used cars that want 'Keepers'.**

 

VW 504 00 is indeed the spec if you are doing Variable / Flexible servicing with the 1.2, 1.4, 1.8 or 2.0tsi's.

& also for 'Fixed Servicing'.

 

But for 'Fixed Servicing' VW502 00 is also the Spec and not inferior to Long Life oil, (Some may find in identical use the 'Indicated Oil Temperature is lower with the 5w 40 FS compared to the 5w 30 FS LL)

If VW502 00 is inferior or not suitable why would VW have and still recommend it as the Spec. Long Life oil in some kinds of use is a right mess long before 12,000 miles let alone 18,500 miles)

Respect the engine, regular oil and filter changes, but 6,000 miles is a bit too often for most normal uses and environmental conditions & usage unless your annual mileage is that low.

http://volkswagen.co.uk/owners/servicing/regimes 

 

Edited 25 May, 2017 by Awayoffski

[TheClient]

Yes, I have to agree with previous post.

 

There is nothing to suggest in a fixed service regime application that long life vw504.00 in petrol engines is superior (although I used to think it was for similar arguments put forward here - it is higher spec, higher price, capable of 20k miles). I no longer think that is true. 

 

In contrast, the fixed 502.00 oils are often 5W40 which resists thinning a little more at high temps and could be more resistant therefore against carbon build up and contamination. It also doesn't have to be engineered around a 20k mile interval which may include some compromises in composition.

 

 I have no empirical proof, but I have seen a number of threads, repairs, engine forums where they suggest engine oil thinning makes carbon build up especially on intake valves in DI engines worse and long life oil at 5W30 is very thin at 100C and the explanations made sense to me.

 

Each entitled to their own opinion of course, so this is just mine.  I doubt you can ever expect much clarity from VAG group on the matter as they usually sit in denial about the existence of any of the serious engineering problems they have presided over in recent times!

 

Edit: of course a question that follows is why do Skoda  and other VAG marques use LL service regime and vw504.00. There are probably many many reasons but at least two  driving forces are i) to lower service costs over the first 3 to 5 years of ownership for major fleet owners who then dispose of the vehicle. Which does not take into account the cost of ownership for the following 5 years! ii) the lower weight of the vw504.00 will give marginally less resistance and better fuel economy I suppose. 

Edited 25 May, 2017 by TheClient

[Ootohere]

Additives in Oil, for engine cleaning and life of oil, detergent packages in petroleum for engine cleaning and longevity of engines.

 

Results it seems in some engines with Bore Wash and instead of Longevity of engines just increase Oil & Vehicle manufacturers share prices & dividends being higher.

Even VW Groups the company with the Ex CEO & the Engineers Engineer now under investigation for various reason that may include dishonesty, 

as in a right little liar Dr Martin Winterkorn.

VORSRUNG DURCH TECHNIK,  in god we trust and with the VW Group use your common sense.

[planehazza]

Think I'll order some of the Quantum 502 from the OP unless there is a more favoured option?

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-VW-VOLKSWAGEN-5-LITRE-QUANTUM-PLATINUM-ENGINE-OIL-5W-40-ZGB115QLB00521-/252905327528?hash=item3ae2550ba8:g:ElEAAOSwBLlU2JYA&clk_rvr_id=1218816027361&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true

 

Also, my car currently has 504 5w30.  Other than a drain (obviously) do I need to do anything else before changing the filter and filling back up with 502 5w40?

Edited 25 May, 2017 by planehazza

[Ootohere]

Just use that Long Life stuff as the flush.

Get the engine / oil warm and maybe use a suitable Pump for use with hot oil to remove via the dipstick tube.

Then still change the sump plug which allows any left in the sump to be drained.

 

5w 40 FS to VW502 00 often available in ASDA @ a very good price in a container with ASDA on it and it may or may not be from COMMA.

Nice oil for use in a TSI.

Edited 25 May, 2017 by Awayoffski

[planehazza]

4 hours ago, Awayoffski said:

Just use that Long Life stuff as the flush.

Get the engine / oil warm and maybe use a suitable Pump for use with hot oil to remove via the dipstick tube.

Then still change the sump plug which allows any left in the sump to be drained.

 

5w 40 FS to VW502 00 often available in ASDA @ a very good price in a container with ASDA on it and it may or may not be from COMMA.

Nice oil for use in a TSI.

 

Cheers mate.  Do you mean to use the last few litres of the 504 longlife as a flush before refilling with that linked quantum 502?  I have a pump, but I doubt it's suitable for warm/hot oil; it's just a cheap thing from ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-L-Litre-Oil-Fluid-Extractor-Pump-Syphon-Transfer-Water-Engine-Vacuum-/191756455919?hash=item2ca5934fef:g:JQkAAOSwuLZY6AIa

 

I was planning on just getting under the car and draining it the usual way. I already have two bolts, each of a different style, so I need to double check which is the correct one.  I'll probably just order a new one for the pennies they cost.

[Ootohere]

I just mean get the car out for a run, give it a good roasting, park up, let it cool a bit then change the oil that is in.

Dispose of responsibly.

[rayx]

Just what Skoda recommends to owners, taken from SuperbII as OctaviaII does not have latest experience with EA888 included in owners manual ...

ŠKODA Online Manuals (Print).pdf

 

Still do not understand why for Russians not included ACEA norm as in VAG documents (Special letter to dealers and ELSA PRO/WIN), neither workshop manuals at erWin mention anything about it ...

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/419089-yeti-burning-oil-should-pistons-and-rods-be-replaced-as-well-as-piston-rings/?do=findComment&comment=4771837

 

[Kris82]

On 5/24/2017 at 15:24, promethian said:

I have a 2011 1.8tsi L&K and no problems with it at all.

I am carrying out fixed oil changes every 6000 ish miles.

This Oil is really cheap and delivery is free.

Has anyone ordered from here before and is it genuine?

Views on this Oil and deal welcome.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-VW-VOLKSWAGEN-5-LITRE-QUANTUM-PLATINUM-ENGINE-OIL-5W-40-ZGB115QLB00521-/252905327528?hash=item3ae2550ba8:g:ElEAAOSwBLlU2JYA

It's what they sell at the dealers and just as cheap there. Always used Quantum in all my vags.

[TheClient]

Sure, I currently have that in the car too and believe it is not a bad oil for VW 502.00.  

 

Not ALL Sokda and VW dealers use Quantum oil though and it is ACEA C3 not A3/B4.

 

As per the Skoda advice letter Rayx posted in the linked thread for CDAA, CCZA CDAB engines (not sure why the new website has dropped thread post # - makes referencing difficult).

 

Depends how fussy you want to be and if you believe Russian Skoda technical advice.  Given the advice was issued formally and the general lack of advice or acknowledgement of issues in the UK, my view it must have been issued with some basis.   My service records at VW service dealers (previous car) BTW showed one dealer used Shell Helix and the other Mobil and another Quantum.   

 

I'll be changing to something ACEA A3/b4 based next time but probably fixed service 10k and under intervals is more important (I already do that).

[rayx]

Hope transcript below of the letter from Skoda Russia will give you complete view what the whole VAG recommends in Russia. What is the fact, it is said that VAG does not provide LongLife service in Russian Federation and therefore all should drive on fixed interval. That means oil service done after 15kkm/1year. But that doesn´t mean that LL oils according VW504.00 can not be used. But it simply makes no sense ...

 

Dear colleagues, we hereby inform you that starting from today, 4th July 2013, when replacing engine oil in cars equipped with CDAA, CDAB, CCZA engines, Skoda auto recommends using fully synthetic engine oils SAE 0W30, ACEA A3 / B4, VW 502.00. This change will be reflected in the inspection service tables, starting from week 33 2013.
This decision is caused by a number of factors that are typical for our market:
- Unstable fuel quality;
- frequent short trips, traffic jams in urban conditions;
- hard temperature conditions for most regions.
When using a different engine oil, at temperatures below -15C, excessive viscosity of motor oil may occur.
In the near future, the specialists of the plant will produce a corresponding TPI.
IMPORTANT! In case of disagreement of the client with this recommendation, it is necessary to make a corresponding note in the service booklet and in the recommendations to the order list.
This information should be brought to the attention of all persons directly and indirectly related to the implementation of this regulation.

The head of the after-sales service group

Pozdnieshev Mikhail

 

and yet highlighted fact from owners manual what to do when you do not have correct oil acc. VW spec. as VW504 and others.

If the above engine oils are not available, a different engine oil can be used in an emergency. To prevent damage to the engine, a maximum of 0.5 litres only of the following engine oils may be used until the next oil change:
For petrol engine models: ACEA A3/ACEA B4 or API SN/API SM;
For diesel engine models: ACEA C3 or API CJ-4. You see LowAsh/LowSAPS oils needed at first in DPF engines. As long as no PPF comes I guess no need to use it in petrols.

 

Yes, it is all just words ...

[Ootohere]

Quite a bit different environmental conditions from most can expect if their vehicle is only use in the UK and where the minimum octane of fuel that will be purchased is 95 ron.

[TheClient]

True, it must play a part too.

 

Certainly, the viscosity recommendation has to be localised for climate. So 5W40 makes more sense in the UK.  Also, sulphur levels have been much higher in Russia, although in recent years, if you believe what you read, they are trying to catch up to low sulphur fuel standards and some service stations offer different variants to cater to modern euro standard type vehicle requirements. I have not been to Russia so can not confirm.

 

I am thinking the Skoda handbook on recent cars in Russia would probably suggests low sulphur fuel where available and maybe a maximum content to run at least.  I have no first hand experience though,  so just hypothesising about how that would work.

There are a lot of Vw 502.00 oils available globally. Even in the UK the subset is quite large.  If you narrow down to 5W40 based on it being most suitable to most of UK, you are still left with choices of brand / refinery (additives, refinery quality) and differing ACEA standard.

 

As discussed here, even sticking with VW502.00 and 5W40 there are a choice of ACEA standards within those oils that still carry the vw 502.00 standard. Quantum C3 vs A3/B4, A3/B3 that I have seen.  My understanding is C3 is Mid SAPS and A3/B4 full SAPS. So it seems to come down to whether a full SAPS oil is a better choice for your EA888 tsi and does that apply to all vw petrol engines requiring VW502.00?>  Certainly, the impression I got was it is likely to be better for the EA888 at least.

 

Which all seems a little strange,  as I thought the SAPS level would be part of the VW spec but clearly it is not that narrow in SAPS content. As I commented before, this all seems micro detailed and the more important thing is probably running to fixed service maximums rather than variable cycles to try and keep engine longevity, especially EA888 series engines. 

 

Edits:

https://www.amsoil.com/newsstand/auto-and-light-truck/articles/european-motor-oils-and-saps-content/

http://www.oilspecifications.org/acea.php

https://www.rbth.com/politics/2014/06/17/russia_gradually_catching_up_as_it_switches_to_euro_5_fuel_37491.html

Edited 31 May, 2017 by TheClient