3 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

Skoda / VAG knew about the change to the regulations long, long before March.

 

Again, no. Even the draft regulations were only published on 24 October 2017. And as per my post in the other topic, VAG and their suppliers aren't going to risk making changes based on draft regulations in case the specifics change - in which case they would be in an even bigger mess.

 

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/107253/DRAFT-IR_mobile-repeaters.pdf

1 minute ago, MrTrilby said:

Which is possibly why VAG got themselves into trouble over diesel emissions, and why you can’t currently order a petrol Kodiaq.

 

Nah, they're totally different scenarios - the first was because VAG simply broke the rules in order to sell more cars. The second is for some unknown logistical reason; they've evidently been planning the cutover at some point to the new petrol engines, and the engines are already available in other VAG cars, so there's been a complete mess-up in the process somewhere. Neither of those things had anything to do with regulation changes (not directly, anyway).

 

4 minutes ago, MrTrilby said:

“It has come to light that the signal-boosting technology has been found to be capable of receiving signals from restricted sources and organisations that are ordinarily illegal to intercept.”

 

Oops. That does make a recall more likely then, because it is illegal to own and operate one of these devices - not just to sell it. This would make everyone who has that technology in their VAG vehicle liable for prosecution .

5 minutes ago, WiggosSideburns said:

 

Again, no. Even the draft regulations were only published on 24 October 2017. And as per my post in the other topic, VAG and their suppliers aren't going to risk making changes based on draft regulations in case the specifics change - in which case they would be in an even bigger mess.

 

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/107253/DRAFT-IR_mobile-repeaters.pdf

 

That tells you what the proposed new regulations will be. What were they before that? The only two obvious issues that I can see with those proposed regulations is that they omit one frequency used by some mobile phone operators (2600MHz), and the power limits could have changed. Without knowing what the previous regulations were though, it’s complete guess work.

We don't know that the documents your quoting from relate to the issue at hand.

 

Until Skoda / VAG release more information its mere speculation.

 

VAG are not the only manufacturer that offer this technology, something VAG has done is different to that of everyone else.

 

Whether its the level of risk taken, an oversight or sheer stubbornness, someone has made a mistake.

1 minute ago, WiggosSideburns said:

 

Nah, they're totally different scenarios - the first was because VAG simply broke the rules in order to sell more cars. The second is for some unknown logistical reason; they've evidently been planning the cutover at some point to the new petrol engines, and the engines are already available in other VAG cars, so there's been a complete mess-up in the process somewhere. Neither of those things had anything to do with regulation changes (not directly, anyway).

 

 

Oops. That does make a recall more likely then, because it is illegal to own and operate one of these devices - not just to sell it. This would make everyone who has that technology in their VAG vehicle liable for prosecution .

 

Being pedantic, the lack of petrol engines available to order is because the current Kodiaq petrols do not comply with the forthcoming requirement to fit a GPF, so they soon won’t be able to legally sell them - just like their mobile phone boosters. And just like their boosters, they don’t seem to have organised their production to meet the timetables mandated by legislation. 

Just now, MrTrilby said:

That tells you what the proposed new regulations will be. What were they before that?

 

There weren't any. That document gives the specifications for devices that can be made and used and be exempt from licensing. Before this new regulation, there were no exemptions - everything had to be licensed... and therein lies the problem (possibly).

1 minute ago, silver1011 said:

VAG are not the only manufacturer that offer this technology

 

No - maybe the other manufacturers got themselves the appropriate licences...

Exactly, someone made a mistake! Skoda are at fault.

Just now, WiggosSideburns said:

 

There weren't any. That document gives the specifications for devices that can be made and used and be exempt from licensing. Before this new regulation, there were no exemptions - everything had to be licensed... and therein lies the problem (possibly).

 

That’s simply not true. There have long been regulations controlling mobile phone repeaters, and long been regulations controlling general wireless transmissions. It’s a very heavily regulated area, and for good reason. 

1 minute ago, MrTrilby said:

they don’t seem to have organised their production to meet the timetables mandated by legislation.

 

That's not quite true - they have organised their production because they will be producing the cars with the new engines before the deadline.

 

What they haven't done is organise their ordering process... they closed off orders for cars with the old engine when they ran out of slots (understandable!), but they didn't start taking orders for cars with the new engines straight away, which just seems like a bizarre decision. But, as always, there may be more to it than meets the eye.

Just now, MrTrilby said:

That’s simply not true. There have long been regulations controlling mobile phone repeaters, and long been regulations controlling general wireless transmissions. It’s a very heavily regulated area, and for good reason.

 

It is true... and in fact, reading it again, it gets worse:

 

Prior to their being in force, the use of mobile phone repeaters, other than those supplied directly by the mobile network operators (MNOs), was unlawful. Users may deploy repeaters falling within the exemption as soon as they are available.

 

Before this new regulation - all mobile phone repeaters not supplied by an MNO are illegal.

After this new regulation - mobile phone repeaters that meet the specifications published can be used.

 

So this could actually get a lot worse, and other manufacturers may soon start reacting - maybe VAG are actually first to react to something for once .

 

 

4 minutes ago, WiggosSideburns said:

 

Before this new regulation - all mobile phone repeaters not supplied by an MNO are illegal.

 

 

That was my point. Mobile phone repeaters have long been heavily regulated. You used to be able to buy signal boosters to use at home if you had poor mobile phone reception, but unless they were sold by a mobile phone operator, they were legal to buy but not legal to use. 

 

The last car I had with a mobile phone “booster” was a BMW that physically connected directly with aerial of the mobile phone, so it could relay the signal to antenna on the roof without needing to intercept it. But they’ve not made mobiles with physical aerial connections for a long time now 

Update ... collected car this afternoon.

Just to let you know wireless charging still works.

 

So just signal boost amp issue.

 

it also had Adblue tank added ... I did not select this as an option, so maybe this is now mandatory to meet emissions. (Maybe after fiddling the figures saga at VW)

Not that it makes any difference to what Skoda will do about it all, but there’s a post in the Superb forum that links to the Declaration of Conformity for the Superb, detailing the frequencies and power used by the mobile booster. Assuming the Kodiaq is the same, it looks* like the issue is because it boosts the 2600MHz band. That is a legal band for mobile phones to use and is used by some networks, but for whatever reason, the new legislation does not permit signal boosters to boost that particular frequency. 

 

*of course it could equally be that someone has tested what frequencies it actually boosts, rather than just taking VAG’s word for it, and found that real world emissions are wildly different...

 

 

9 hours ago, Sargan said:

Update ... collected car this afternoon.

Just to let you know wireless charging still works.

 

So just signal boost amp issue.

 

it also had Adblue tank added ... I did not select this as an option, so maybe this is now mandatory to meet emissions. (Maybe after fiddling the figures saga at VW)

 

Congrats Sargan, enjoy your new car.  

Looks like this has progessed, I sent an email to my dealer as I'm expecting handover this weekend and the response was:

 

 

Skoda UK had released that information last week with immediate effect. however, they have since resolved the issue. The only difference is the signal booster will be slightly weaker until Skoda UK work out a fix and recall there after.

 

 

Hope this helps and re-assures Mike.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

16 hours ago, Sargan said:

Update ... collected car this afternoon.

Just to let you know wireless charging still works.

 

So just signal boost amp issue.

 

it also had Adblue tank added ... I did not select this as an option, so maybe this is now mandatory to meet emissions. (Maybe after fiddling the figures saga at VW)

 

Congratulations.

 

AdBlue is default on Kodiaq with Diesel engine.

Edited 24 April, 20188 yr by BramBam

OK. .. Sales did not seem to know this.

I was asked did I want ‘Adblue’ as it was an option to select on car choices.

I asked was it necessary .. or would it improve performance/mpg .... given answer no, just improved emissions ... so I did not select it.

Presume they now know better.

2 hours ago, Sargan said:

OK. .. Sales did not seem to know this.

I was asked did I want ‘Adblue’ as it was an option to select on car choices.

I asked was it necessary .. or would it improve performance/mpg .... given answer no, just improved emissions ... so I did not select it.

Presume they now know better.

 

If they don't know basic stuff like this, I'd be looking for a new dealer next time. That's just shockingly appalling.

2 hours ago, Sargan said:

OK. .. Sales did not seem to know this.

I was asked did I want ‘Adblue’ as it was an option to select on car choices.

I asked was it necessary .. or would it improve performance/mpg .... given answer no, just improved emissions ... so I did not select it.

Presume they now know better.

 

Which dealer was that.

Skoda also put it on the on-line ‘build your Kodiaq’ tool, yo7 could tick box for i5bor leave it out.

On 23/04/2018 at 22:29, Sargan said:

 

it also had Adblue tank added ... I did not select this as an option, so maybe this is now mandatory to meet emissions. (Maybe after fiddling the figures saga at VW)

 

All the EU6 2.0L SCR engines fitted in the Kodiaq have adblue. There is no option to not have it.

Strange then that they give the option on configurator to tick (or not) for the option.

Anyway it is there so I guess that is the end of it ... just another running cost.

I didn’t see any options like that when I ordered at the end of February. I can’t see how a big diesel like the Kodiaq could pass emissions tests without the SCR, and if it could, what would the benefit be of offering it as an option?

It was on official Skoda configurator (via CarWow)  .... but it is now irrelevant .... it is there now.

Maybe configurator had to catch up.

I did not select it as there was no benefit for me ..... no reduction in road tax .... just another running cost.