2011 Fabia Wagon 1.2 TSI Turbo Problem?

[wsmacl]

About 6 months ago I bought a 2011 Fabia Wagon with 1.2 TSI, Automatic.  It had just 17,000km and had been sitting for two years (in a garage).  Got the oil and fuel filter changed before I bought it.  There was very little in the gas tank, so I was not overly worried about bad gas.  Bought it from the original owner's family who had kept up with service at the dealer.

It ran fairly well, although at times when accelerating from a stop or near stop it would hesitate for 2-3 seconds when I pressed on the pedal.  Engine did not rev, it was just like I had not pressed the pedal at all.  Then it would accelerate normally.  This was maybe once a week or so - not very frequent.

 

Then recently, the EPC light came on a few times (and it went into limp mode) when driving in stop and go traffic.  Engine light came on one of those times.  I took it to the dealer (by which time the engine light was off) and they could not find a problem other than an error code for fuel quality.  The put in a bottle of injector cleaner and said it would be fine.

 

After that is got worse.  Any time I was in stop and go traffic the EPC light would come on.  If I stopped for a few moments (engine off) it would go off and I could resume, but with stop and go traffic it was back on very soon.  But if I was driving at highway speeds - or anything other than stop and go - the EPC light would stay off and the car would drive normally.  No noticable loss of power, no unusual noises, etc.

Took it back in to the dealer and after 3 days they said it was the coil.  Then they changed their minds a couple days later and said it was the turbo.  something about electrical signal to the turbo.  They want €2,200 to replace it.  They claim this is a "discount" of €600 because the car only has 22,000 km.

 

Granted, I am not a mechanic, but this just doesn't seem like a turbo problem.  Neither the original problem with delayed acceleration, not the repeated EPC coming on in stop and go traffic.

And beyond that, should I press Skoda for a lower price in the repair?  A turbo should not fail at 22,000 km, should it?  It does not seem like something that would be caused by a long time of non-use even.

Any comments would be appreciated.

 

Thanks!

Scott

[Ootohere]

Welcome.

 

So maybe the Turbo Actuator which can be replaced without needing a new Turbo.

There are other issues from the age of your 1.2 TSI / DSG.

The Turbo Shim, the Plug Lead etc.  

 

Do not go paying 2,200 euro,  see a VW Specialist.  One that knows what they are doing.

 

There was a member with the same issue in the last few weeks, no idea what thread or post it is in though.

It had all the links in it to the part numbers etc.

@xman Might know i think he posted in that members thread with helpful information.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/444502-12tsi-turbo-epc-issues

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/456505-epc-light

 

Basics.

New Fuel Filter, New fuel.

  New Air Filter, Spark Plugs, Coils or leads if required,  and Service Campaign Work / TPI updates done if not done already. Parts / Software.

& as well as the engine, 

the DSG Service Campaign '34F7' carried out if not done, Synthetic Oil changed to Mineral and a Software Update.

Done free by Skoda / VW Group.

 

Edited 23 October, 2018 by Offski

[xman]

Skoda will not help on a 7 year old car, forget about it.

 

2 year old gas will be shot and should be drained, new fuel filter, new fuel plus probably some fuel system cleaner. Change Oil and oil filter. All done presumably.

 

Remove spark plugs, check and replace if necessary.

 

Rough running after that is usually leads (first) then coil. If EPC is on then diagnostic scan will tell you which cylinder is misfiring.

 

(Obdeleven, vcds, carista, etc etc will give you the error codes, but not necessary of you're changing everything step by step anyway)

 

Spark plugs NGK IZFR6P-7 (about £50 for a set - try Opie oils)

Lead set NGK 44316 (under £50)

Ignition coil widely available from ebay and amazon from as little as £25.

 

Turbo failure is relatively rare, though it can be the electric actuator which sticks or even fails. These are available seperately, though a little difficult to obtain. Simple to change (allegedly) but requires adaption using appropriate diagnostic tool (vcds).

 

Try cleaning/ lubricating the actuator rod seen at the front of the engine. The wastegate at the end of the shaft can also be sticking. You need to remove the shield to get to that.

 

Good luck.

 

Edited 23 October, 2018 by xman

[wsmacl]

Thanks for the replies...
Xman,
Did not change the fuel, but there was not much in the tank.  Did change fuel filter and oil/filter.  Has run for 5000 km since then.  Do you think bad fuel could still be a problem after that much?

was not running rough at all.  Would run fine - expect when it went into limp home mode with the EPC light.

Since it doesn't sound like a typical turbo problem (not noticeable power problems or noise), I was wondering if it could be a sensor on the turbo giving bad readings?  Might the electric actuator do that?

 

It is at a VW/Skoda dealer, so I think they'd know what they are doing.  But they did seem to have problems tracking down the problem....

Thanks!

[xman]

1 minute ago, wsmacl said:

Thanks for the replies...
Xman,
Did not change the fuel, but there was not much in the tank.  Did change fuel filter and oil/filter.  Has run for 5000 km since then.  Do you think bad fuel could still be a problem after that much?

was not running rough at all.  Would run fine - expect when it went into limp home mode with the EPC light.

Since it doesn't sound like a typical turbo problem (not noticeable power problems or noise), I was wondering if it could be a sensor on the turbo giving bad readings?  Might the electric actuator do that?

 

It is at a VW/Skoda dealer, so I think they'd know what they are doing.  But they did seem to have problems tracking down the problem....

Thanks!

 

 

Ok fuel ok, no rough running ignition ok.

 

So next step is diagnostic scan for error codes.

 

Will give clue if sensor or turbo related.

 

One simple thing to check is the air filter, if its really dirty could trigger a boost problem, at 17,000 km unlikely, but may have had mice in it in that garage.

[Ootohere]

wsmcaI,  'they' Should know what they are doing.

 

So any mention of the Wiring Loom TPI / Service Campaign, or the upgrade ignition lead, or the Turbo Shim TPI, or the Actuator from the Dealership Technician?

Have the Service Desk staff or Service Manager even checked what Skoda Dealer servicing has had done for the previous owner, 

any Warranty work or Service Campaign work carried out?

Was the DSG Service Campaign needed or carried out?

http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions

Just because nothing shows as outstanding on this checker does not mean things are not outstanding.

 

Sadly too often it is read the Fault Codes if any, and if there is a customer that might want to spend money,  quote for a New Turbo to get an Actuator that can be bought without a new Turbo.  Especially if there is no Turbo failure.

Edited 23 October, 2018 by Offski

[xman]

2200 euro is an obscene amount for a turbo change. It is very easy to access on 1.2 tsi. Its in front of you when you open the bonnet. Many turbos available from about £150 on ebay.

Edited 23 October, 2018 by xman

[wsmacl]

3 minutes ago, Offski said:

wsmcaI,  'they' Should know what they are doing.

 

So any mention of the Wiring Loom TPI / Service Campaign, or the upgrade ignition lead, or the Turbo Shim TPI, or the Actuator from the Dealership Technician?

 

Sadly too often it is read the Fault Codes if any, and if there is a customer that might want to spend money,  quote for a New Turbo to get an Actuator that can be bought without a new Turbo.  Especially if there is no Turbo failure.

They may have mentioned the wiring loom (It was in Italian and my vocabulary is not as complete in that area)  Not the shim or actuator (would have recognized that).  They did say something about electrical, electrical connections.  Said they were sending it (Turbo) back to Skoda for evaluation, hence the discount.

They did, I imagine, look at the codes.  But evidently that was not enough to know what it was at first.  They had first suspected the coil, but perhaps tried that without success.

[Ootohere]

It is the obscene amount charged in GBP or quoted when a Warranty Company / Manufacturers Warranty is paying.

Sadly some owners of out of warranty have paid 2 grand or there abouts in the UK.

 

 

EDIT,  

If they are sending back the Turbo to Skoda then Skoda CZ know that you need not pay if it is a duff Actuator,  common enough issue, 

hence why Dealers said on Back Order, not available etc.

Edited 23 October, 2018 by Offski

[wsmacl]

3 minutes ago, xman said:

2200 euro is an obscene amount for a turbo change. It is very easy to access on 1.2 tsi. Its in front of you when you open the bonnet. Many turbos available from about £150 on ebay.

That is what I was thinking.  And that is supposedly a discounted price.

 

[xman]

Check the air filter, it may have had a mouse family and their winter grain store in the there! 

[Ootohere]

PS

They are just telling you crap.   They are trying to bend you over and not use lubrication....  It is the VW Way!

 

Discount is crap. 

 Skoda CZ fitted faulty parts.   Fundamental Design, Manufacturing, Materials, components.  Then upgraded them. 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/423679-yeti-turbo-failure

 

 

That is all the help i can give you, sorry if of no use to you, but it is a common issue with 1.2 TSI owners that those that are full time 

professionals in main dealerships are Deaf, Dumb & Blind,.  or just not that good with honesty.

 

Edited 23 October, 2018 by Offski

[Ootohere]

Last link, honest.  Prices here.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/441816-2013-12tsi-turbo-failure    If no turbo required do not get conned into getting one, unless Skoda are supplying and paying for the fitting..