Recent bought a used Octavia 1.6 DSG.

knowing from having previously a mk 2 , the importance of changing the gearbox oil, I rang my local dealer about having this done, the service personnel ( sounded very much like Gorden Brittas !) told me it's sealed for life, is this true?

 

I must say ,the 'box is remarkably smooth, you really cannot feel the change, the only way you know it has is to watch the taco, the previous car was smooth but this one is silky smooth!

 

Any comments?

It is not sealed for life. 

 

But it has no Manufacturers Recommendations, guidelines or schedule for oil changes.

The Oil can be changed, people do change the oil, the parts and oil to change oil is available, just not required except other than when VW do a World Wide REcall excluding Europe where there was a Service Campaign to do them in 2014 on.

 

Some Service Desk staff say a DQ200 is due a Oil Change, they are wrong, some say they can not have a oil change and they are also wrong.

 

If you have a 2013-2015 DQ200 DSG there are ones that are part of a Service Campaign, '34H5' which is a Software Update.

There are cars due this that never had it done and are failing now and have been for the last couple of years.

It does not show on this VIN Checker, so the likes of who you spoke to have to check for any outstanding Service Campaign / Recall Actions.

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-asctions

 

 

PS

There was a Service Manager at a Major Scottish Motor Group that i and other referred to as 'Gordon is a Moron'.

If you spoke to him you would almost certainly be given duff gen.

Edited 9 May, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Importance of changing oil refers to the DSG boxes where the clutches run in oil found on the more powerful models. I think in your 1.6 DSG box the clutches run dry. This is where  the dealer is coming from I think.

Somebody will be a long with all the gearbox model numbers and what year and engines goes with what later on I'm sure.  

A 2009-2019 DQ200 DSG with 7 speed twin dry clutches still has 2 types of oil used, and yet has no requirement to change the oil, so no Manufacturers Recommendations, Guidelines, Schedule for servicing.

(2009-2012 had Synthetic Oil which was changed to Mineral oil from the World Wide Recall starting in 2012 & Service Campaign in Europe starting in 2014.)

 

This is a thread in the Mk3 Fabia Section, and a member doing a Oil change to his DQ200 DSG.

There is another thread with a member doing one in the 'General Maintenance' section.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/439395-the-story-of-the-famous-dq200-clutch-slip/?page=11

 

There is Service Campaign '34F7' & then 2013-2015 '34H5'

There is a TPI or 3 on 2015 on DQ200 DSG's that are having issues. Oil changes are not part of 'the fix' it is Clutch Packs and Software.

 

Edited 9 May, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Also unless you know the full usage history of the car, you have no idea how many gear changes the oil has done

 

A car that has done 20,000 miles mainly in rush hour traffic in London, might have done more gear changes than a 100,000 mile car that spent lots of its life on the open road.  

 

 

But VW Group / Skoda manufacture 2,200 DQ200 DSG a day in the Czech Republic, have produced millions.

Sealed for life supposedly without regards to how many gear changes are made.

Only a 2 or 3 year manufacturers warranty sadly other than in the world regions that they had to extend that in.

 

So for life might be 8 years, 10 years or as some are finding not even 3 years,....

  Vorsprung Durch Technik,  just leave things as they are soon we will have EV's so no gearbox required...

Anything can be sealed for life....

 

Just don’t specify how long the life is 

 

i wouldn't treat anything like a gearbox as sealed for life.

18 hours ago, Skoffski said:

But VW Group / Skoda manufacture 2,200 DQ200 DSG a day in the Czech Republic, have produced millions.

Sealed for life supposedly without regards to how many gear changes are made.

Only a 2 or 3 year manufacturers warranty sadly other than in the world regions that they had to extend that in.

 

So for life might be 8 years, 10 years or as some are finding not even 3 years,....

  Vorsprung Durch Technik,  just leave things as they are soon we will have EV's so no gearbox required...

 

That leaves the question of how are they dealing with EMF & back EMF with motors. Do they use field diverts or are they using some other tech? 

So, where dies that leave me? If the service dept. won't change the oil, because it's 'sealed' for life, can I insist they do it, or take it too and independent to do it, I want the job done properly, to correct spec, I do use a trusted independent garage, but I am not sure he is willing to mess around with DSG oil changes, 

I am minded to get it done , I would prefer preventative maintenance rather than failed maintenance.

When was your car built and how many miles has it done and do you have a Warranty?

 

Do not trust an Independent unless a Gearbox Specialist or one very familiar with DQ200 DSG's.

 

There is no Service Schedule, Interval or Guidelines for a DQ200 DSG.

So no correct spec, VW Group say Sealed for life.  

there is the correct oil and way of doing it and those that do the job regularly know what that is and a VW Group Dealership 

have that ability and a Master Tech is the one to speak to not a reception desk / service manager with not a clue.

 

If you want to change the oil then so be it.

If it works well i would leave well alone and spend the money on a Warranty for the car that covers a DSG.

Edited 10 May, 20197 yr by Skoffski

There is a process for oil fill after repair which a dealer will have.

 

if that dealer won’t do it find another that will.

 

probably wouldn’t bother until about 50k miles myself, but up to you of course.

 

 

10 hours ago, Skoffski said:

 

Video

 

Since 2005 I've run ten DSG's. Five wet clutch and five dry clutch.

 

Every wetclutch box was serviced on the dot and I never had a single issue.

 

But of the 5 DQ200 Dry clutch boxes only one was faultless and that only did 16000 miles.

 

The last one had £5500 worth of repairs in 3 years and 34k miles.

 

So now none of our cars are DSG and for the first time in 12 years one of our cars is not a VAG product.

 

That's what happens when you loose faith.

 

Same goes for an Uncle of mine, I can't remember him having anything else but Ford in over 30 years. He had a Mondeo and then S-Max with the Powershift, both suffered gearbox failure. He now owns a BMW.

Brand loyalty is easily destroyed.

 

For the OP, I would forget about the oil change and put the money towards a good warranty.

Edited 11 May, 20197 yr by logiclee

Do they still make the DQ200 and if so what engines is it mated too. Looking at a 2019 2.0tdi SEL DSG that has a torque rating of 250lb/ft which I believe is right on the top end figure of the DQ200. So is likely to have thsi 'chocolate' gearbox or will it have the 'wet' DSG? I also thought all DSG's had the flappy paddles behind the wheel but the pictures and videos I've seen of the SEL I'm looking at and other SEL's don't show the paddles.

Think I got my NM and lb/ft mixed up so the TDi 150 should have the 'wet' DSG as a torque figure of 340nm is way over the max rating of 250nm given for the DQ200.