Off road tyres

[Platlet]

Hi, my 2018 Scout is fitted with 235/50/19. I have purchased a set of steel rimmed 215/65/17 winter tyres, l5QF601027A 6.5Jx17 ET38. I’m after some proper off road tyres for these not just winter tyres. What the maximum size I can fit on these. Thanks.

[Ootohere]

I would say on the 6.5J x 17 rims 205/70 R17   or 215/65 R17 with a Mud Tyre or a All Terrain to stay near the same rolling radius / Total Diameter.

 

***I would have gone for wider rims.*** To get suitable tyres for a Kodiaq going offroad.

http://kouki.co.uk/tyres/visual-tyre-size-calculator

 

Are you wanting taller tyres, do you mean to fit Mud Tyres or All Terrains?

 

???

What Wheel / Tyre Size is Type Approved for your Kodiaq if being used on the road?

Edited 2 August, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[Platlet]

21 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

I would say on the 6.5J x 17 rims 205/70 R17   or 215/65 R17 with a Mud Tyre or a All Terrain to stay near the same rolling radius / Total Diameter.

 

***I would have gone for wider rims.*** To get suitable tyres for a Kodiaq going offroad.

http://kouki.co.uk/tyres/visual-tyre-size-calculator

 

Are you wanting taller tyres, do you mean to fit Mud Tyres or All Terrains?

 

???

What Wheel / Tyre Size is Type Approved for your Kodiaq if being used on the road?

Thanks for the reply. I got them to fit proper mud tyres. With them being 17 not 19, I thought that I might be able to get a mud tyre, as they are not available in 19”. I am a member of a 4X4 response group and need a set of mud tyres. I was helping out at CarFest North last week towing stranded campers off etc and I was amazed at how well it coped with standard road tyres on it!!  I know you will most will shout wtf but it is a 4x4?  Lol

[Ootohere]

@Platlet

So what size did you get fitted and which tyres?

[Platlet]

1 hour ago, Roottootemoot said:

@Platlet

So what size did you get fitted and which tyres?

I haven’t yet, that’s why I asked what would fit

[Ootohere]

Sorry i read the 'got them to fit proper mud tyres'.

 

Have you sat the 17" and tyres next to what you have on the car?

Do they fit over the discs?

 

I have had mud tyres on much lighter cars than you and usually have 235's.

 

I would have gone 18" wheels for your car and seen what mud tyres are available and with appropriate Speed / Load rating.

 

225/60 R 18 has a choice in tyres that would suit if you get 18" rims.  EDIT. Doh, not much showing suitable.

 Or wider 17" rims for 225/65R 17

 

http://tyresdirectuk.co.uk

http://4x4tyres.co.uk

http://camskill.co.uk

The Geolanders were OK without being Mud Tyres, well behaved on the road.

 

Edited 3 August, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[Carlston]

Alcar make some attractive Hybridrad 10-spoke steel wheels in size 6.5Jx17 ET38 5x112 57.1 for the Skoda Kodiaq. However, the centre caps might be sold as an extra. 

 

https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel/alcar-kfz-hybridrad-132800#20927496

 

Here's the standard Alcar steel wheels in the same size:

 

https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel/alcar-kfz-9021#20630318

 

215/65R17 are a reasonable priced tyre size. Michelin CrossClimate are around £115.

 

235/60R17 would keep the same outside diameter and are officially approved for a 6.5" rim. However, they are a more expensive size. I would go with the 215/65R17.

[CWARD]

@Platlet does your 4x4 Response Group specify you need mud tyres? Ours don’t but specify a minimum of AT and during ice and snow mud tyres are pretty useless. 
 

if you’re not going to be using a second set of wheels for events then I’d recommend them as mud tyres are very noisy and really hurt your mpg. Also check with your insurance company that the tyres won’t void your insurance as the speed rating will be much lower as well as taking part in 4x4 support groups

[Ootohere]

@Carlston Good info on the wheels.

Michelin CrossClimate are not a good tyre off road for someone wanting tyres good in mud.

I have them on a 4x4 with locking diffs for the winter on roads and forrest tracks in winter and they will not do the job that the OP asked about.

 

 

Edited 25 October, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[Carlston]

OP said, "I am a member of a 4X4 response group and need a set of mud tyres. I was helping out at CarFest North last week towing stranded campers off etc and I was amazed at how well it coped with standard road tyres on it!"

 

As the Michelin CrossClimates are marked with both the M&S and 3PMSF symbols, they are clearly going to outperform ordinary summer tyres in the mud by quite some margin. Those mudpluggers simple won't have the onroad performance of the CrossClimates. Mudpluggers are more suited to a Land Rover than a Kodiaq. Probably noisy too!

[Ootohere]

@Carlston

Obviously Mud Plugger have poor onroad performance which is why All Terrains can be a comprimise, and come speed and load rated to suit SUV's.

 

You are giving lots of tyre advice, do you work in the Tyre business and do you use any of the tyres you recommend because i can assure you that regardless of a M&S marking they are pretty crap in mud, or even a slope of wet grass.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/423870-all-year-tyres-and-mud

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/461824-what-offroad-tyres-do-you-use

 

 

Anything is better than a Summer Tyre really in conditions other than dry warm roads.

Edited 25 October, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[Ootohere]

 

Brian has special alloys and special wheels, so that will be alloys and tyres then.

 

 

 

Edited 25 October, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[Carlston]

I would never fit tyres that were only marked with the M+S symbol and not the 3PMSF symbol to my car if I wanted any kind of winter performance. So many tyres that only have the M+S symbol and not the 3PMSF symbol are really bad tyres. They have to be marked on the sidewalls with both the M+S symbol and the 3PMSF symbol to get my approval. 

 

See wikipedia entry.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_tire

 

Tyres are only marked with the 3PMSF symbol if they have passed tests for traction in snow and ice. 3PMSF is more important than M+S, but the winter tyres or all-season tyres that I buy always have both symbols.

Edited 25 October, 2019 by Carlston

[Ootohere]

@Carlston    You are teaching Granny how to suck eggs, have you sucked eggs personally?

We are not talking winter, and when we can talk 3 peak.

 

I often have Snow Tyre on that are good in Mud, Winter Tyres 3 peak / M&S that are not and summers that might just get the vehicle furher before it would get stuck and need something with the right tyres on to get it out.

?

So have you been out and bought any tyres you recommend, or done any off road driving?

 

Just not great in mud / slimey sticky mud, it is as simple as that.

They are going to get a car with some ability to get drive to the wheels moving doing that, just not as well as A/Ts might.

 

Edited 25 October, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[Gmac983]

The balls are in and the game is on. 😉

[Platlet]

Dear all, many thanks for all the replies it’s certainly made a few comments. I have put general grabber a/t on in the end. As for my insurance they are fully aware of what I do and it is actually insured as an ambulance as this is it’s full time role. Once again many thanks. 

[Ootohere]

@Platlet

Are these on the 17" wheels you got, and what size of GG A/T did you go with?

[MaccaD]

Just wondered if anyone has tried a set of Cooper AT3/4S?  They come in a 215/65/R17 unlike the Grabbers.   Admittedly they are not a full-on All Terrain or a full-winter.  But they do seem to strike a nice balance between light off road and winter performance unlike the more road oriented Michelin Crossclimate.  Seem to get pretty decent reviews over in the US and over on this side of the pond, the Dacia Duster guys spent a lot of time reviewing them and even they seem to rate them above a BF Goodrich KO2 in the mud in snow. 

[CWARD]

My Shogun came with Cooper AT3 when I bought it and wasn’t too bad for a road biased all terrain tyre. Played around in muddy fields without issue but wasn’t pulling anyone out of it and never had the snow to try it. 
I'm currently using a GT Grabber AT3, which are noticeably quieter, better MPG and the side lugs help in muddy ruts too.