New Australian Karoq release - for your amusement

[Gerrycan]

I thought you might like to hear what they are going to sell Australians.

 

We have had the fwd only 1.5tsi with DSG Karoq for a while but because of all the problems postulated by VW Australia about ppf's and our 3rd world high sulphur fuel they are now going to be fitted with the old 1.4tsi and 8 speed torque converters.

We will also get the 2.0tsi awd, dsg Karoq sans ppf which sounds quite a nice package.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/815418/2020-skoda-karoq-australia/

 

However just to contradict themselves about the doomsday ppf/sulpher message they are going to send us an interim Superb Scout with ppf????

https://www.caradvice.com.au/823684/2020-skoda-superb-scout/

 

Basically a ppf will work ok with our 95/98 ron fuels with max 50ppm sulphur, but will clog in a short time with the more generally available and far cheaper 91ron 150 ppm fuel.

 

[Guest]

I'm sure they'll be many envious Europeans who rate the 1.4 better than the 1.5   And there will be many more who would prefer an 8 speed torque convertor to the 7 speed DSG.

 

6.6L/km converts to around 43mpg, but don't know in what context that 43mpg means. If it's government figures for old world fuel economy test then I'd expect less in the real world which doesn't sound good. Is there no details on the emissions?

 

 

[shyVRS245]

Thanks just as well I use 99 octane with my dual GPF car.

Edited 6 February, 2020 by shyVRS245
wrong word

[Gerrycan]

5 hours ago, Scot5 said:

I'm sure they'll be many envious Europeans who rate the 1.4 better than the 1.5   And there will be many more who would prefer an 8 speed torque convertor to the 7 speed DSG.

 

6.6L/km converts to around 43mpg, but don't know in what context that 43mpg means. If it's government figures for old world fuel economy test then I'd expect less in the real world which doesn't sound good. Is there no details on the emissions?

 

 

Australia are still at Euro 5 level which was implemented in 2013 for new cars. It meant you could still buy a diesel vehicle without a dpf up to 2015.

Funnily enough diesel fuel conformed with Euro 10 ppm sulpur content in 2009. Prior to that it could be as high as 5000 ppm in year 2000!!!

 

Climate change denialists are rife through Australian politics.

[agedbriar]

What's the reason for the torque converter?  Price?

[Warrior193]

6 minutes ago, agedbriar said:

What's the reason for the torque converter?  Price?

Probably for the same reason that the North American VWs have it - more acceptable to the customers. It's a ZF box and was pretty seamless on the one I drove last year.

[don_kiddik]

So the Europeans get kangaroo cars and the Aussies don't, not even a wallaby hop!

[Gerrycan]

On 07/02/2020 at 08:32, agedbriar said:

What's the reason for the torque converter?  Price?

Opinions on the dsg box are pretty divided here.

Until the last few years you have to consider that most Australian drivers have been brought up on a locally built vehicle with torque box auto and a large capacity engine and they expect the same characteristics in any other auto.

 

The dsg is an automated manual and the engaging/disengaging clutches at low speeds, or being in the 'wrong' gear when approaching a roundabout get criticised compared to torque converter. They also tend to burn out the clutches in the 'dry' dsg boxes in stop/start traffic riding it like a torque converter.

Experienced drivers of manual cars tend to have fewer issues with the dsg.

 

The earlier editions of the VW 'dry' dsg box also had a lot of local issues with the wrong lubricant for hot climates, since rectified.

It did not help that the equivalent 'dry' dsg box in the Ford Focus/fiesta also had enormous problems. I also believe that the Hyundai/Kia had their share of problems with their version but had the sense to offer appropriate support and just fix them rather than leaving the customer floundering.

 

It is also interesting to noet that the latest versions of the Focus have their advanced (more powerful) 1.5tsi engine with 8 speed torque converter box and the claimed consumption figures are very similar to the Karoq 1.4tsi/8 speed torque converter.

Fuel is cheaper here and there is no government pressure to reduce consumption of vehicles for the environment.

 

I am just appalled that neither Focus or Karoq offer a manual version here which of course is my preference.

 

Edited 8 February, 2020 by Gerrycan

[Ootohere]

There is another Recall in Australia on DQ200 DSG's. 

This is on ones from manufacture after the ones in the World Wide Recall on those from 2009-2012/13.

Much like the European Recall Action / Service Campaign 2013-2015.  '34H5'.   Which lots of vehicles have still never had.

 

It is easy to see where Paying Customers might lose faith in VW Group vehicles with a DQ200 DSG in Hotter Climes, Colder Climes and just anyplace really.

Pity that Europe is not in the World when there are World Wide Recalls and extended warranties getting handed out.

 

 

Edited 8 February, 2020 by Roottootemblowinootsoot

[logiclee]

On 06/02/2020 at 22:12, Warrior193 said:

Probably for the same reason that the North American VWs have it - more acceptable to the customers. It's a ZF box and was pretty seamless on the one I drove last year.

 

If it was a ZF box it would be 6 or 9 speed.

 

I believe VAG are using the 8 speed Aisin box which is still excellent. BMW use it on some FWD and Mini models

Edited 27 February, 2020 by logiclee

[silver1011]

The 1.4 TSI instead of the crappy 1.5 TSI?

 

An 8-speed torque converter gearbox instead of the overly complex DSG?

 

Where do I sign!?

 

Oh, why do they have to be awkward and call it a PPF, just call it a GPF like everyone else.

[Warrior193]

14 hours ago, logiclee said:

 

If it was a ZF box it would be 6 or 9 speed.

 

I believe VAG are using the 8 speed Aisin box which is still excellent. BMW use it on some FWD and Mini models

Not correct - ZF 8HP I believe.

[logiclee]

9 hours ago, Warrior193 said:

Not correct - ZF 8HP I believe.

 

The ZF8HP can only be fitted in longitudinal layouts.

 

For Transverse engined cars like the Karoq the options are the older 6 speed or the newer XF9HP 9 speed box.

So if the Karoq had a ZF box it would be 6 or 9 speed.

 

The 8 Speed box is the Aisin.

Edited 28 February, 2020 by logiclee

[Warrior193]

11 hours ago, logiclee said:

 

The ZF8HP can only be fitted in longitudinal layouts.

 

For Transverse engined cars like the Karoq the options are the older 6 speed or the newer XF9HP 9 speed box.

So if the Karoq had a ZF box it would be 6 or 9 speed.

 

The 8 Speed box is the Aisin.

Odd, I thought I read that ZF had produced a transverse version of the HP8

[logiclee]

11 minutes ago, Warrior193 said:

Odd, I thought I read that ZF had produced a transverse version of the HP8

 

After ZF launched the 1st generation  ZF8HP in 2009 they said they would be working on a transverse equivalent.

 

That appeared three years later 2012 but it was a 9 speed box and was thus named the ZF9HP.

 

Longitudinal ZF8HP

 

Transverse ZF9HP

Edited 28 February, 2020 by logiclee

[shyVRS245]

4 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

After ZF launched the 1st generation  ZF8HP in 2009 they said they would be working on a transverse equivalent.

 

That appeared three years later 2012 but it was a 9 speed box and was thus named the ZF9HP.

Did that 9 speed box appear in the Evoque?

Edited 28 February, 2020 by shyVRS245
spelling mistake

[logiclee]

1 minute ago, shyVRS245 said:

Did that 9 spped box appear in the Evoque?

 

Yes,

 

The first generation models were not as well liked as the ZF8HP but software updates seems to have ironed out the issues.

 

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[logiclee]

The Aisin 8 speed transverse box.

 

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[Warrior193]

Thanks for that info Lee, how does the Aisin stack up against the ZF? I was pretty impressed with the Jetta I drove last year - possibly as good as the CVT Legacy I drove a few years ago, except that car also had paddles which I really liked (drove the Subaru in "manual" most of the time) 

[logiclee]

The Longitdinal ZF8HP still has some VAG models

 

Audi wont sell DSG in some markets and some of the newer engines have too much torque for dual clutch boxes.

 

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[logiclee]

1 minute ago, Warrior193 said:

Thanks for that info Lee, how does the Aisin stack up against the ZF? I was pretty impressed with the Jetta I drove last year - possibly as good as the CVT Legacy I drove a few years ago, except that car also had paddles which I really liked (drove the Subaru in "manual" most of the time) 

 

The Aisin 8 speed transverse box is excellent and smoother than the ZF9HP.

 

After years of relationship between BMW and ZF, BMW actually chose the Aisin for the transverse engined MINI and BMW models. They had plenty of mules running about with both gearboxes for over a year.

[Ootohere]

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Does anyone know if these Karoq with the 1.4 TSI and 8 speed auto are being manufactured in Czechia or in some other country?

[ZacDaMan72]

3 hours ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

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Does anyone know if these Karoq with the 1.4 TSI and 8 speed auto are being manufactured in Czechia or in some other country?

https://wroom.ru/news/11075

 

Looks like the Russian market is getting this drivetrain too, however I doubt the Australian-delivered Karoq will be manufactured there. Skoda's Nizhny Novgorod plant does CKD cars for their own market, and the Bratislava plant specialists in the assembly of MKD cars, until those land in Australia and can have their VIN checked, I reckon it'll be assembled at Mladá Boleslav or Kvasinky alongside the other Aussie cars.

[Ootohere]

Maybe the VIN's will not help if anything like the curious case of the Audi's with the same VIN's.

 

 

Edited 12 June, 2020 by Roottootemblowinootsoot

[ZacDaMan72]

I highly doubt that Skoda would use a VIN with a different country code than where it's actually built. Not sure if you're being satirical or are dead serious.