Automatic gear box problems

[Olwen]

Any advice please. 18 months ago I paid out over £1500 to repair the mechatronics on my automatic gear box. 12 months guarantee offered and lo and behold the gear box has gone again and is back in a specialist garage in Droylsden. At this point I’ve no idea what the issue is since I’m waiting to hear from the garage. Is this normal? Should I cough up another £1500 to repair the gear box or just scrap the car. Ref FR12.

I still have finance owed on the car. Any advice would be very welcome. Thanks 

[Ootohere]

Welcome to the forum.

What age of Fabia?   Is it a Mk2 Fabia with a DQ200 DSG?     A mod might move your post once you say to the right section.

 

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Why would you cough up again if not done right.

2010-2012 there was the issue that had service campaign '34F7' needed.  If you car is 2013-2015 there was another service campaign '34H5' done to prevent MCU issues.

So relevant the age and miles of the car.

[Olwen]

Thank you for the welcome. The registration is FR12 and I have no idea what mark it is.... I’m a woman who knows nothing about cars I’m afraid. It’s a Fabia 1.2. 5 door reg date July 2012.

My car is currently back at the garage that replaced the Mechatronic Unit on 31/07/2018. They guaranteed the job for 12 months only. Any advice please would be really appreciated. I need a car to get to work etc!! Thank you.

Olwen

[Olwen]

Ps I can’t check the mileage but it was 42952 when the work was carried out and I’m a low mileage user and I think it’s about 52000 now.

[Ootohere]

@Olwen

OK so a 2012 car. A mk2 Fabia.

 

It might have had Service Campaign '34F5' so the Factory synthetic oil changed to mineral and a software update, sometime since 2014. 

or maybe it never needed that.

It maybe never needed '34H5' either, started in 2017 on DSG's built 2013-2015. warranty on it.

But that is all in the past.

 

If your MCU was from VW and fitted at an Official VW Group repairer there is a 2 year warranty on that.

 

As it is the Specialist you used should know if the MCU as a part has a 1 year or 2 year warranty even if they only cover their work for 1 year.

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The issue is, is it the MCU that is wrong / leaking.

 

There is a member here that sells a part that has fixed some faulty DQ200 DSG's without a new MCU being required.

The thing is that the specialist will either know about it or not.

 

?????

What is the issue now, is it a 'Flashing Spanner', and is that what the car had before getting a new MCU last time?

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/464760-vrs-dsg-gears-flashing-and-not-engaging/page/2/

 

Bottom of page 3.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/475102-dq200-dsg7-mechatronic-tear-down-tepair-and-change-in-body/page/3/

 

 

Edited 8 March, 2020 by Roottootemblowinootsoot

[Olwen]

Thank you for your help. Sadly a lot of it is going over my head. I know nothing about cars. Hopefully tomorrow I will have a diagnosis and can please come back to you with that info. I’m not hopeful given the £1500 job was guaranteed for 12 months only!! It’s scandalous imho.

Thanks again.

Olwen

[Olwen]

Thank you so much for your useful advice. The MCU was repaired at a specialist Automatic Transmission garage which offered 12 months warranty only over 18 months ago. This garage now reckons it could be a clutch problem and said the problem is intermittent as in they managed to get the car running today despite my Recovery and myself obviously being unable to work the automatic gearbox at all not even into neutral gear. I now feel I should get rid of this car despite still having finance on it. Any advice please? Thanks for all your advice and support over the past few days.

Olwen

[mrgf]

...If you still have finance on it, you might not even be able to sell it, at least without the finance being settled as part of the sale. You may of course, have say, credit card finance, whereby the vehicle its-self was not financed, just the money used, to buy it

 

I would suggest perhaps fixing, running for say, 6 months, then selling so as to still have the remainder of warranty on it. That is if the fixer allows it to be transferred, otherwise, sell it at the stroke of 12 months. 

They are usually nice, reliable cars but I can safely say you would not want to do the job a third time, for sure. 

[Olwen]

Thank you very much for your advice re the car. The car has about 2 years left of  low interest credit card. Will try and clear the money

owing over the next 12 months and part Exchange. Shame really since I like to he Skoda Fabia as a car. Thanks again.

Olwen

[Ootohere]

There is a member here who's family member has had a lemon of a Mk3 Fabia. Water Pump issues and then the DSG went and no help from Skoda.

They just let the Finance Company know they were terminating the contract, come and get the car.

I know that can cause problems, Credit Ratings etc.

But then Finance Companies own vehicles and ones with known issues, known by VW Group.  Too many customers are being left in bad circumstances with Skoda Lemons.

[KenONeill]

@Olwen - I'd suggest contacting a specialist solicitor, since the works done do not appear to be "to a reasonable standard" on the information presented here. A manufacturer's warranty is a no quibble repair period for you on the work done, rather than a get out of jail free card for them when/if the warranty expires.

[Olwen]

Thank you for your response. Skoda both the garage where I bought it and HQ were extremely unhelpful when the MSG went 18 months ago. The main Skoda dealer where I bought the garage basically said tough it’s out of its warranty by 6 months. They never offered me the opportunity to extend the warranty. I’m learning the hard way I’m afraid. I will get shut for sure once I’ve paid most of what’s owing on it. You’ve been very helpful and I appreciate the support I’ve received from briskoda. I’m a single woman who knows nothing about cars! 
Cheers Olwen

[Petzl]

Is it worth to buy dq200 from reliability point of view or better option to take manual one? Kamiq 1.5 tsi 

[Ootohere]

If talking a new car then a Kamiq with an extended warranty if you are keeping it past the Manufacturers warranty.

 

If a used one you best read up on the possible issues with Kangarooing in 1.5 TSI's fitted to a Manual or DSG. 

 

[sepulchrave]

12 minutes ago, Petzl said:

Is it worth to buy dq200 from reliability point of view or better option to take manual one? Kamiq 1.5 tsi 

 

Personally I wouldn't touch one, I'd go manual every time, so many of these DSG cars end up on ebay as spares or repairs because they're prohibitively expensive to get repaired.

[Mickmartin]

On 06/10/2021 at 21:15, Petzl said:

Is it worth to buy dq200 from reliability point of view or better option to take manual one? Kamiq 1.5 tsi 

 

DQ200 is a great box and easily serviceable.

[Petzl]

12 minutes ago, Mickmartin said:

 

DQ200 is a great box and easily serviceable.

I heard DQ200 has dry clutch and it is not serviceable (lifetime)? There is a lot of issues over internet..

[Mickmartin]

52 minutes ago, Petzl said:

I heard DQ200 has dry clutch and it is not serviceable (lifetime)? There is a lot of issues over internet..

 

Complete myth mate, Your right it is dry however I service my own and will continue to do so. Early issues were a faulty gear selector, wouldn't find 6th or reverse, they soon revised that part, The other single main issue was mechatronics in country's with high humidity ie Asia and Oceanic country's, In the UK early models were fixed under warranty as VW group decided to put the wrong oil in the boxes and it started to corrode parts.

 

Baring in mind these boxes were first rolled out in 2007, until almost 2016 there wasn't parts ready available to fix these so anyone who got fobbed off to "Skoda/VW" or a " dsg specialist" more than likely got told they needed a new mech, new clutch or the lot and charged literally thousands, In comparison a £3500 fix cans now be fixed for under £200 and what would be a £1200 clutch can be supplied and fitted for as little as £400 and If its any consolation, in 2019 Skoda Vrchlabi celebrated producing 3 million dq200's since 2012, Decent numbers for a crap gearbox! 

 

Also if you need any evidence that there's are tough little units, I'll show you 500bhp getting put through one.

 

 

Edited 8 October, 2021 by Mickmartin

[Petzl]

11 minutes ago, Mickmartin said:

 

Complete myth mate, I service my own and will continue to do so. Early issues were a faulty gear selector, wouldn't find 6th or reverse, they soon revised that part, The other single main issue was mechatronics in country's with high humidity ie Asia and Oceanic country's, In the UK early models were fixed under warranty as VW group decided to put the wrong oil in the boxes and it started to corrode parts.

 

Baring in mind these boxes were first rolled out in 2007, until almost 2016 there wasn't parts ready available to fix these so anyone who got fobbed off to "Skoda/VW" or a " dsg specialist" more than likely got told they needed a new mech, new clutch or the lot and charged literally thousands, In comparison a £3500 fix cans now be fixed for under £200 and what would be a £1200 clutch can be supplied and fitted for as little as £400 and If its any consolation, in 2019 Skoda Vrchlabi celebrated producing 3 million dq200's since 2012, Decent numbers for a crap gearbox! 

 

Also if you need any evidence that there's are tough little units, I'll show you 500bhp getting put through one.

 

 

Hi mate,

 

Thank you for useful tips. Is there any "tutorial" how to change oil and which oil to use?

 

How often should be dq200 serviced? Is there any milage when clutch should be usually replaced (ex. 150.000km)?

 

 

[Mickmartin]

1 minute ago, Petzl said:

Hi mate,

 

Thank you for useful tips. Is there any "tutorial" how to change oil and which oil to use?

 

How often should be dq200 serviced? Is there any milage when clutch should be usually replaced (ex. 150.000km)?

 

 

 

Tons of tutorials on youtube bud, The dq200 requires 2 different oils, 1.7 litre's of G 052 171 gearbox oil and 1 litre of G 004 000 hydraulic oil,  Both are easily drained from sump plugs located in the underside of the box.

 

I serviced my box at 50000 miles(80467km) for piece of mind and as for the clutch.....It really depends on usage and how hard the cars been driven, there's not really definitive as I know people who are reaching 140-150k on the original clutch.

[Petzl]

13 minutes ago, Mickmartin said:

 

Tons of tutorials on youtube bud, The dq200 requires 2 different oils, 1.7 litre's of G 052 171 gearbox oil and 1 litre of G 004 000 hydraulic oil,  Both are easily drained from sump plugs located in the underside of the box.

 

I serviced my box at 50000 miles(80467km) for piece of mind and as for the clutch.....It really depends on usage and how hard the cars been driven, there's not really definitive as I know people who are reaching 140-150k on the original clutch.

140-150k miles? sounds good

 

May I ask how much does it costs to change clutch?

[Mickmartin]

28 minutes ago, Petzl said:

140-150k miles? sounds good

 

May I ask how much does it costs to change clutch?

 

The clutch packs themselves will set you around £330-400 for the LUK version alone then there's labour added on top. When the box is dropped the clutch packs can be changed in under an hour if competent. Most garages your looking at £800-1200 supplied and fitted.

 

Under £400 if you do it yourself, Again there is plenty of guidance out there albeit VW/SKODA say you require special tools, A Vernier gauge can do the same job.

[Ootohere]

@Petzl maybe look at the thread in the Yeti section now on a member looking at a car with a DSG and see the thread by @logiclee.  It is 6 years since Mk2 Fabia were built with DQ200,s.  Since then Skoda have had DQ200 issues with components and software and made changes and updates.  There are now DQ200,s in the e-Tech 1.0 and 1.5,s.  The DQ200,s now should be as good as they will be after over as decade of some Co-ckups from the VW group.  The new MK4 Fabia will have the 1.5 TSI with DQ200 DSG. 

[Ootohere]

Bump for @badger115

There are better threads that will cover the fault you have and @Mickmartinmight be able to point you in the direction to point your mechanic in.

[Meridion]

On 08/10/2021 at 09:21, Petzl said:

140-150k miles? sounds good

 

May I ask how much does it costs to change clutch?

depends where you are. specialist in north london quoted me under £700 all in. they're good and warranty their work. they sorted my mechatronics.