I checked the oil properly today ie on flat ground 5 mins after turning off with the oil temp at 90 +C and was a bit surprised to find it was not too far off the bottom of the hatched area after 4400 miles, the last 2000 miles in free flowing rural and motorway miles. I say surprised as my mapped 220 VRS didn’t use a drop in 4 years. 250ml of Castrol SAE 5W-30 VW 504-507 returned it to over 1/2 way up the hatched area. I checked the oil type with a dealership,  which stated that the models built from Nov 19 use 0W-30 oil. As mine was built in Jul 19 model it is on long-life service interval using 5W-30. According to the dealer when it’s serviced in October, it will be filled up with 0W-30. He did say if I topped up with the wrong oil, (yes I know it’s just oil!)  I presume he means not 5W-30, i.e. 0W - 30 then the warranty would be invalidated if it blew up. It won’t blow up. I presume the 0W-30 oil is VW 508 00. 

They would be the ones using the wrong oil, so who was the person at the Dealership?

They stated wrong.

Unless they have 0w 30 FS IV to VW508/509 for the servicing.

 

http://buycarparts.co.uk/motor-oil/vw-508-00

 

The car left the factory with 0w 20 FS IV.  To VW 508

*It was 2018 that they started using VW508 /509, before the WLTP Certification started.*

 

Did you check the oil when the car was new and anytime since?

 

 

Edited 2 June, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

PS

servicing and using VW 504 / 507 so 5w 30 FS III Does not invalidate a manufacturers warranty of a TSI or a TDI, 

If it did then lots of Main Dealerships have been invalidating warranties in the past 2 years.

Edited 2 June, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

46 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

They would be the ones using the wrong oil, so who was the person at the Dealership?

They stated wrong.

Unless they have 0w 30 FS IV to VW508/509 for the servicing.

 

http://buycarparts.co.uk/motor-oil/vw-508-00

 

The car left the factory with 0w 20 FS IV.  To VW 508

*It was 2018 that they started using VW508 /509, before the WLTP Certification started.*

 

Did you check the oil when the car was new and anytime since?

 

 

I checked the oil cold once and it was towards the bottom half of the stick. Anyway it will be ok until it's serviced, I was just surprised that it had used any at all. My TFSI fairly drank it but not my last TSI. 

Does not sound like OK until October.

You are working less oil harder. Especially if you have no idea how long the quantity has been low.

Not a good plan when all you need to do is a bit of a top up.

 

Every owners manual from VW tells you that they can use more oil in the first 5,000 km.

To cover themselves.

The point is that some can, especially if they leave the Dealers from the PDI low on oil, and some do.

 

 

Edited 2 June, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

Probably never filled correctly to begin with, I've seen this in a few TSIs. The oil level on my 272 barely moved the first year, I could probably have added 200-300ml after 10,000km but it was about to get an oil change in January so I let it be, hasn't moved since.

These engines in general are not drinking oil unless you have a really wrong one (doubt it).

I think it will be fine

1 hour ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Does not sound like OK until October.

You are working less oil harder. Especially if you have no idea how long the quantity has been low.

Not a good plan when all you need to do is a bit of a top up.

 

Every owners manual from VW tells you that they can use more oil in the first 5,000 km.

To cover themselves.

The point is that some can, especially if they leave the Dealers from the PDI low on oil, and some do.

 

 

Thanks, I think it should be ok now. I will monitor it and top up a little bit more of required. 

220ps

  

On 28/05/2019 at 21:12, MartiniB said:

failed Oil burning out test,

gone just 400ml(340g) while needed 500g
guessing, because dealer were filled 5w40 instead 5w30

 

intervals in KM:

 

 

 

So TSIs do use oil... or perhaps just a few that burn it? I will keep an eye on it. 

Just now, Redboy said:

So TSIs do use oil... or perhaps just a few that burn it? I will keep an eye on it. 

Needed to put 0.5 litre top up in mine when I bought it with 4,900 miles on it and just checked very recently after another 5,000 miles in just over 5 months and it has used about 0.25 litres but haven't topped it up this time.

Thanks. Is yours post Nov 19? Ie did you use the older spec 5W-30 504 507 00 or 0W-30 508 00? I don’t think it matters too much as long as it’s approved by VW and it’s only a small top up. 

Mine was registered March 2019 and I use the same Mobil 1 fully synthetic 5W-30 I used on my previous car the 336bhp Vrs245 as I bought 5 litres from Halfords for £48. I put the same oil in the wife's 148bhp petrol Karoq which uses a small amount of oil between services (now done 25,000 miles).

VAG Petrol engines have been known for drinking oil for some years.

 

Wife had a 2.0 FSi Eos a few years ago and that was the ONLY car we have had in 40 years that has regularly needed the oil topping up.  Some owners were using a litre per 1000 miles, and not just in the first few months of ownership.

 

To put it in perspective 12 years later I still have the oil I bought to top that car up, it hasn't been used topping up the cars we have had since.

 

So if you have a petrol VAG car make sure you check the oil regularly and keep a bottle in the boot - do Skoda give you a llitre in a posh holder that velcros to the side of the boot as VW did?  If it is using a litre per 1000 miles then the oil is getting 'changed' so regularly I would question the need to use long life oil.

After having been Driven / Run in, and used in the UK in UK weather @ UK NSL's or a bit above,

& If it is using 1 litre in 1,000 miles,

or even 1 litre in 2,000 km / 1,242 miles your engine is gubbed and get a new one under warranty.

 

The 0.5 Litres / 1,000 km it not acceptable.  and 0.3 litre in 1,000 km / 621 miles is not acceptable if a Technician or Skoda Communications manager says it is.

Edited 3 June, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

2 hours ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

The 0.5 Litres / 1,000 km it not acceptable.  and 0.3 litre in 1,000 km / 621 miles is not acceptable if a Technician or Skoda Communications manager says it is.

i agree, but Škoda doesn't think so 😞
 

7 hours ago, MartiniB said:

gone just 400ml(340g) while needed 500g

 

@MartiniB

It is amazing what Skoda / VW have tried over the years and technicians, like using 5w 40 or even mixed 10w 50.

Or saying owners are attempting fraud.

 

Skoda UK thinks so when a Expert Engineer does an Independent report on an engine and the owner is prepared to take legal action.

They try claiming 0.5 litres / 1,000 km is within tolerances.

Too many have let them away with it once cars are out of manufacturers warranty, so you just make sure you do not let them try it on when the warranty is valid.

 

1 litres of oil for Official Oil consumption tests is 857 grams,.

not as some muppets @ dealerships doing the weighing and tests think at 1,000 grams

. (First report an example of that. The car did get a new engine once to obvious error pointed out.)

 

 

 

Edited 3 June, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

Older 2.0 FSI or 1.4 TSI twincharger engines had a less than ideal relation with oil consumption which has by now stuck with the VW's reputation so well that tends to be automatically associated (from the internet) with every engine old or new. However, that doesn't apply to the latest gen 2.0 TSIs in question here. For the majority of cars, these engines won't ever need even a top up between oil changes.

@newbie69

Nail on the head. 

So this is why nobody needs to accept what went before with Euro 5 TSI's be it 1.2,1.4,1.8 or 2.0.

That was then and this is now.

 

So VW Group went 0w 20 FS IV for the WLTP / RDE & now RDE2, and also fitted GPF's.

So owners need to check the oil level when collecting new or used cars and cars from a service and see the Quantity is correct.

 

No point there being a case of deja vu. 

Just Vorsprung Durch Technik.  

4 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

@newbie69

Nail on the head. 

So this is why nobody needs to accept what went before with Euro 5 TSI's be it 1.2,1.4,1.8 or 2.0.

That was then and this is now.

 

So VW Group went 0w 20 FS IV for the WLTP / RDE & now RDE2, and also fitted GPF's.

So owners need to check the oil level when collecting new or used cars and cars from a service and see the Quantity is correct.

 

No point there being a case of deja vu. 

Just Vorsprung Durch Technik.  

Of-course. What I'm saying is that when (both of us) were seeing yet another topic asking about oil consumption on the Fabia MKII section back in 2011, we knew it was probably another drinker and we were going through all the typical questions of how, when, how much to just make sure, although little could be done about it in reality.

My point is that the 272/280 is not such a case by any means so people should not just assume the stereotypical "oh VW engines drink oil so it's fine I guess" or "since my FSI was a drinker this one should be too" on this one. If one really knows where their oil level was after an oil change and do notice an unusual drop they should take action, highly unlikely though as I said and in most cases it's a wrongly filled engine to begin with.

@newbie69

 

So there is this thread and several in the Karoq and Kodiaq sections.

 

Members / drivers best check the oil regularly of modern TSI's from new until they know no topping up is required.

Oil is a coolant and low oil means what there is is worked harder, and lower quantities can be hotter or take longer to cool back down to the efficient operating temp.  Cooling coolant and oil takes energy so that can mean less fuel efficiency.

It is the most basic stuff.

Mine is now topped up with 400ml. I for have always carried out weekly checks but lapsed as my VRS TSI didn’t use a drop, nor did my GTI 245. It’s got 139 days or 6900 miles to its 1st oil service so I will keep an eye on it. Tks for all the useful comments. 

@Redboy  How did things go with the oil use,

and is it VW507 00   0w 30 FS III oil that is the correct one for your engine, fixed or variable servicing?

 

 

Edited 8 February, 20224 yr by roottoot

@roottootI had forgotten about this topic. The car runs well  as you'd expect. Oil use is not noticeable, I.e. I haven't added a drop in 12000 miles although I do check it occasionally. It's had 2 oil services and is on 18000 miles. I just checked the service paperwork and it's the usual bland uninformative 'serviced according to manufacturer's specification' No detail on amount or type of  viscosity. These services/inspection services are nothing more than expensive oil and filter changes. I can see for myself if discs are lipped, grooved,  tyres are worn, brake fluid and coolant is low or it's dropping oil.