So once my friend picked up his Hyundai we did a comparison on the way back. Bottom line is that a bigger battery is not always that much better

The result surprised me.

 

 

that uch 

I just watched this via the Facebook group. A good video and I’ll confess it’s made me feel better about not getting the 100kwh charging that I wanted. I genuinely thought the Ionic would charge MUCH faster than the Enyaq.

@domhnall

Great.

What was the actual distance (miles) travelled from starting off and you with 98% & the Ionity on 100% until you started charging when at Gretna @ 62% & 62% ? 

Can you say what range was each car showing when you arrived @ Gretna?            58 X 3.5 = 203

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My e-Corsa gets about 3-3.1 miles per kWh at 70 mph with Winter Tyres on & roof bars and 2 people in it. 

135 ish Miles range.

This is not great with only a 45 kW usable battery, but then it does mean the battery is pretty low after 120 miles and the charging speed on a good charger is pretty fast up to and just over 90% if there is no need to get a full charge to get another 120 miles plus before charging.

If you are doing more than that it is a PITA. More so with a 50kWH charger doing not better than a 22 / 25 kWh charger.

 

3.7 miles per kWh @ 60 mph. 165 ish range.

45- 50 mph average is about 4 miles per kWh so 180 miles possible.

Edited 5 September, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

Good video👍
How did you get the battery percentage to come up over the map in the bottom corner of the screen  ?

Interesting

 

Must admit I do like the Ioniq 5.  The volvo entrant, whilst on paper is great, looks wise, meh they didn't bother. Maybe a good sleeper of sorts

 

It's odd, what I find odd, is how both cars are nearly identical in dimensions yet appear totally different. there is like 10mm in it either way. 

 

What I can't find is the drag numbers. 

 

Interesting in the video, both arriving at similar percentages and charging back to similar thus the ioniq is/was getting through more juice. Logical really awd, weight... just like my 272 superb gets through far more petrol than my friends 1.4 superb.

I really do think a comment I read here or somewhere else, once you've wrapped your head around a petrol/diesel fuel tank as a fuel source is the same as a battery fuel source, L/KWH per mile, range, weight, faster, lighter, more zoom, it all gets a lot simpler. 

 

I do like the idea of parking up and resting/working for an hour. What I'd be most wary and I've been caught a few times, is doing that, then grabbing some food, then getting a over time limit fine a few weeks later. I know why they do it, but with extended periods, let's say chargers are half down and it's busy, I could be there way longer than the 'limit'. I doubt the private owners will make dispensation for chargers. Umm this is a topic in it's own right.

 

Might see if I can borrow an ioniq, certainly looks more adventurous.

Edited 16 September, 20214 yr by ColinD

10 minutes ago, ColinD said:

What I can't find is the drag numbers. 

Here's some figures from my drive last week.

4 hours ago, ColinD said:

I really do think a comment I read here or somewhere else, once you've wrapped your head around a petrol/diesel fuel tank as a fuel source is the same as a battery fuel source, L/KWH per mile, range, weight, faster, lighter, more zoom, it all gets a lot simpler. 

 

That’s the key to this whole ev thing. I do 300 to 500 miles a week depending what I’m doing. I would fill my Octavia up to the brim and know I could drive around all week and not need to refuel again. Really I only filled up so I didn’t have to stop off and refuel anywhere.

This mindset held me back from getting an ev but the reality is, that if you have the ability to charge at home, it’s just not an issue. I charged my Enyaq 60 to 80% last night, I’ve done 130 miles today and got home with 20% left (which it says is 54 more miles). 
I’ve plugged it in and it will charge overnight back to 80% ready for another approx 150 miles tomorrow. Most days I do 60 to 70 miles so the range is a total non issue.

If I did have a particularly long trip tomorrow I’d charge it to 100%.

 

Edited 16 September, 20214 yr by classic

I've been thinking like an ev owner for a while, journeys to x or y... all good. Then this weekend, a blast to cornwall, 398 miles, plenty of ev points north of penzance then thins rapidly. Friend has a lpg van, whilst he can drop to petrol, he prefers lpg. Done the trip with him a few times and pulled off into multiple different stations trying to recall which one has the lpg  It's not dissimilar. Except his van cost him like 5k

 

I can't quite fit an enyaq on the drive, so on street. Although under a street lamp, so the cable... well don't think leaving that out is a wise idea. A bit of garden redesign might get it on at an angle.

 

Talking to SWMBO, do we need to do ev, no, can we do it, yes, should we do it, we can, so...  

 

My anxiety is definitely when I get into longer journeys or more remote days like scottish glens or skye as a day trip from fort william as it's raining/sunny. Friend just talked to a night sleeping in hers as she ran it low ( old second hand old leaf...). So she pulled into a supermarket at penzance and the chargers were offline. She slept in the car not knowing where else to go, or if it would make it. Not the ev problem an app could not sort for her, or the old highland thinking of not going out with less than half a tank.

 

It's all jolly good to see and read though... keeps the idea worm going in my mind 

I’ve got the same anxiety, but haven’t yet done Cornwall or Isle of Skye in it 😬

I went to Switzerland, South of France and Italy in a 1.4 Octavia without a second thought but the same thing in an Enyaq, whilst clearly possible, will take a lot more planning.

Having said that, there’s 50kW rapid charging in Fort William, and also on the Isle of Skye…

Edited 16 September, 20214 yr by classic

@ColinDScotland needs lots of shorting out yet.

If you were coming up and counting on the new Stirling Hub at Castle View park and ride with 130 Solar Canopies and about 70 slow chargers & only 4 rapids you might be waiting your turn.  (Hopefully not occupied for a week by people dwelling in caravans.)

 

Maybe you would go into Dunblane to the Electric A9 hub, 2 rapid chargers, but Tesco Express & toilets, and a Train Station.

1 Rapid Charger in Auchterader, (Hopefully the Black Tesla driver is not having a working lunch break) more chargers in Perth. (fingers crossed working as often several around the Fair City are not and some have been closed for 2 years but still show as available.) 

A9, OK if chargers working and you are lucky to not be last at them.

 

Head up the A92 if that is your way then that is so hit or miss.

 

As to parking / charging.  This week i was told about 2 drivers at a Charge Place Scotland Hub at a Car Park.

They pulled into the chargers that were off line so they went into the shops intending to come out and try try and try again as is often required in Scotland only to be meet with Parking Tickets.

There was no FREEDOM, The Chargers are for charging not parking in.  Appeal Refused.

 

Now the Super Rapid Chargers are coming to more locations provided by Business and even the likes of the one at Wallyford with CPS at 30pence a kWh (150 kWh available) which needs to be the norm all around, especially on the Tourist & even locals main and local routes.

 

Go to Highland region where it is 30 pence a kWh on a 50 kWh charger that might work, might give a good speed but the 45 minutes limit means coming off and getting on again which they might or might not start again. 

I need about 60-70 mins on them to get a good charge.  Rip off price by Highland Region.

 

Toilets are what are needed, bushes near chargers for those desperate or a bus stop (for those parking and riding) really is not good enough.

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 September, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

12 hours ago, classic said:

Having said that, there’s 50kW rapid charging in Fort William, and also on the Isle of Skye…

130miles or so, however it’s far from flat ground. There are five 50kw on Skye though.

 

Scotland generally, isn’t actually as much of a concern as Wales, Cornwall etc from playing with the zap app. Scotland feels further ahead, possibly a bias for a lot of posts from people in Scotland here. 🤷‍♂️

 

still have swmbo 1l focus estate to fall back on  albeit defeating the point somewhat. If that’s the game then a smaller ev works far better… till she wants to go south when I go north  hehe a fine problem to have though.

On 16/09/2021 at 19:09, e-Roottoot said:

@ColinDScotland needs lots of shorting out yet.

If you were coming up and counting on the new Stirling Hub at Castle View park and ride with 130 Solar Canopies and about 70 slow chargers & only 4 rapids you might be waiting your turn.  (Hopefully not occupied for a week by people dwelling in caravans.)

 

Maybe you would go into Dunblane to the Electric A9 hub, 2 rapid chargers, but Tesco Express & toilets, and a Train Station.

1 Rapid Charger in Auchterader, (Hopefully the Black Tesla driver is not having a working lunch break) more chargers in Perth. (fingers crossed working as often several around the Fair City are not and some have been closed for 2 years but still show as available.) 

A9, OK if chargers working and you are lucky to not be last at them.

 

Head up the A92 if that is your way then that is so hit or miss.

 

As to parking / charging.  This week i was told about 2 drivers at a Charge Place Scotland Hub at a Car Park.

They pulled into the chargers that were off line so they went into the shops intending to come out and try try and try again as is often required in Scotland only to be meet with Parking Tickets.

There was no FREEDOM, The Chargers are for charging not parking in.  Appeal Refused.

 

Now the Super Rapid Chargers are coming to more locations provided by Business and even the likes of the one at Wallyford with CPS at 30pence a kWh (150 kWh available) which needs to be the norm all around, especially on the Tourist & even locals main and local routes.

 

Go to Highland region where it is 30 pence a kWh on a 50 kWh charger that might work, might give a good speed but the 45 minutes limit means coming off and getting on again which they might or might not start again. 

I need about 60-70 mins on them to get a good charge.  Rip off price by Highland Region.

 

Toilets are what are needed, bushes near chargers for those desperate or a bus stop (for those parking and riding) really is not good enough.

 

 

 

 

 

George, I have seen the numbers. 30p is roughly break even point for a local authority on these chargers. Why should the council tax payer be funding our motoring?

 

 

@domhnall30 pence is a very fair price to pay to get electricity at chargers that you can rely on working and that are in a good condition.

It might not encourage people out of an ICE vehicle as the saving is not much over the price of fuel for an efficient diesel.

(It might suit those driving in low emission zones / cities, and where the charger provision is greater as more public money is being spent.)

40kWh x 30 pence = £12.00

40 kWh x 39 pence = £15.60

3 miles per kWh from 40 kWh = 120 miles. 

*3 miles per kWh from 60 kWh = 180 miles*

 Might be the common  energy use of an EV in cold days / night in Autumn, Winter or Spring.

(Not great in Scotland if traveling with the chance of snowgates closed, chargers out of service and long diversions, so an ICE might be the simply clever choice.)

3.5 miles per kWh from 40 kWh = 140 miles.

4 miles per kWh from 40 kWh = 160 miles.

 

As it is the Public's money is going to provide free chargers in regions to everyone and the Scottish Government is paying public money to a Company that is not providing a good or reliable service.

 

Private investors / companies are now seeing that the public require a good service and are putting in the chargers that people will pay more to use as the lottery of Public Charging free or at cost is just not good enough and is not going to be fit for purpose anytime soon in parts of the UK.

The FREE charging has put off people investing their money in areas where the public will go for the free option, 

now it is not up to the job there is a need for their chargers.

 

Generally North of Perth is very poor for public charging really taking into account the number of EV's that are on the roads.

There are exceptions like Dundee & Angus.

 

PS

Even non council tax payers / non drivers or car users are paying towards the Chargers and the electricity used by EV drivers, that is through taxation income which the government spends..

Then there are non Council Tax Payers in UK or Scotland that are using the Chargers & the Electricity at whatever the Councils or Charger hosts charge.  15, 16, 18, 20, 23, 28 or 30 Pence per kWh, maybe 38 pence or £1.60 to plug in, or £3.80 to charge however many kWh.

 

Even those that get paid Mileage Allowances as a Business user, or business's like Taxi's / Couriers or just reps are getting free electric and pocketing money from their employers that is not required to buy liquid fuel, that is including from the the Government, Councils etc.

 

The High price of Gas which is having an affect on the price of Electricity and everything else will have the Councils in Scotland having to get the calculators out again as the cost per kWh goes up from October and more through this winter.

 

 

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Edited 18 September, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot