MOT and Number Plates

hussarman · 19-08-2008, 09:27

Took car for a MOT yesterday and was severley reprimanded for not having the manufacturers name and postcode of the plate printed on the plate, also for not having the BS AU 145d mark engraved on the bottom right of the plate. I was also rememinded that "according to DLA Govt. rules it is illegal to have self adhesive number plates attached to a vehicle".
Apart from all this palava the car passed the MOT

KLM · 19-08-2008, 09:42

How do you mean by self adhesive, as in the numberplate being stuck on?

anewman · 19-08-2008, 10:14

They were actually failing cars due to this but because of some sort of technicality they stopped doing it.

I presume self adhesive means it is a sticker rather than a proper perspex plate.

Jonny5ive · 19-08-2008, 19:51

Interesting

Mine sailed through an MOT last week with no mention of the technically illegal numberplates as per the OP

Captain Sisko · 19-08-2008, 19:59

My sisters Micra needed new number plates after the origs were a little dirty

The ones currently on the car dont have the manufacturers name and postcode (although it does have the details abot the shop I bought the plates from)

I have also noticed my Sisters micra has them screwed in, and my Skoda doesn't have any screws through the number plate.

I think it depends on the MOT tester TBH as I only really get pulled up if my car is less than perfect say a bulb not working, etc....

piv34uk · 19-08-2008, 20:14

No requirement yet to have postcode etc on..... Legal issue that vosa are sorting out, but it will soon become a "failure" point. As for being attached with adhesive as long as they are secure there should be no issue

Phil

mikejay · 19-08-2008, 20:22

sounds like the tester is a bit of a ****** and id go somewhere else next time! lol

anewman · 19-08-2008, 21:55

At the end of October 2007 the story was...

Quote:

Before you MOT your car, make sure you are aware of the requirements for Number plates.

For cars registered after Sept 1st 2001 Your plate must have

* The new font (79mm high) there are a few excepions motorbikes and some imported cars.

* The name and postcode of the plate supplier

* It must say "BS AU 145d" on it bottom right corner (not neccessarily bottom right but that's where it usually is) - It must also have next to this a small company name or logo (it is the name of the manufacturer of the plate) There are many different types,
mine say HHSP BS AU 145d. The HHSP bit is the manufacturer.
Other examples
"Gould BS AU 145d"
"UP BS AU 145d" etc etc etc

* For the new longer plates with a space on the left for the EU flag symbol, the space can be blank but it must not have anything else there except 1 of the following:
Union flag (commonly known as the Union Jack)
Scottish flag (saltaire)
English flag (george cross)
Welsh flag (dragon)
Euro union flag and "GB" symbol

Any other symbol in that space will fail the MOT, the letters must be black on a yellow (reflective) background for the rear...some plates have a large ford logo on the background (for show use only) this will fail MOT.

Some Halfords plates have the halfords details and BSAU145d written in white text on the front white plates, as long as it can be seen and read it should pass.

Cars registered from 1973 - 2001 can have either old style plates with no BSAU 145d mark & 89mm high font, or newly issued plates which must be as described above with new font.

Cars before 1973 can have those very old style plates or new style i.e a choice of 3 styles.

Then it seems 17th November 2007 they realised they'd ballsed it all up somehow.

Quote:

There has been an almighty legal gaff somewhere, all MOT stations have been informed not to fail any more number plates since 17th November until further notice. Something about not having the new MOT regs ratified by parliament. If you have had an MOT failure solely down to numberplates - since Oct 1st - you could possibly reclaim your costs. Not sure who you can claim against, the MOT tester (it wasn't their fault) or VOSA directly (it was their fault).

Quotes from NEW MOT checks on number plates - MoneySavingExpert.com Forums

However, I do suspect if pulled up by the police they will be eagle eyed and be dishing out fines for non-compliant plates. Apparently show plates will be illegal to sell soon (think there's a post on this forum somewhere).

**mannyo** · 19-08-2008, 22:10

I'll find out about mine in a couple of weeks when my car goes through its first MOT. They have been on the car for 2 years and have not attracted any attention, they look to all intent and purposes the same as legal UK plates but dont have the BS or makers markings on them because they were purchased abroad.

Even the dealer plates which were on the car when I purchased it did not carry these markings.

hussarman · 20-08-2008, 08:57

Now for some highbrow stuff, Having nothing better to do I came across an item in 'Hansard', the jottings of what goes on in the House of Lords.
It seems there is a question of legallity concerning the number plate fitted to the Rover 75. Lord Attlee said that to make this plate perfectly legal, Longbridge would have to recall many thousands of Rover 75's to have a redesigned boot lid fitted as the vehicle has an odd shaped number plate.
Hansard also mentions that since November 2001 the whole question of numbers plates with no identification marks is in limbo. So it seems it's all down to what particular copper stops you at the time.

hussarman · 20-08-2008, 09:00

Sorry, the date in above post should read:- November 2007

djswivel · 20-08-2008, 09:41

So, in theory, having my cornish flags in place of the Eu ones is illegal. I feel a minority discrimination case coming on....

hussarman · 20-08-2008, 09:57

Sorry Djswivel, your plate is definately illegal, England, Scotland Wales is allowed and the Euro badge.
Another point, having no number plate attracts a £60 on the spot fine, having an illegal number plate attracts a fine of up to £1,000
Madness.

andypandypoos · 20-08-2008, 12:36

but it could be possible that one of (or both) your plates get stolen whilst parked somewhere and you don't notice on the drive home hence a small fine, whereas these days you have to go out of your way to get illegal plates, so you get a big fine

Captain Sisko · 20-08-2008, 20:47

Just noticed on my sisters they do have that

HHSP BS AU 145d. The HHSP bit is the manufacturer.
Other examples
"Gould BS AU 145d"
"UP BS AU 145d" etc etc etc

Or something on the corner of my sisters plates.
Haven't looked on mine

anewman · 20-08-2008, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Sisko

Just noticed on my sisters they do have that

HHSP BS AU 145d. The HHSP bit is the manufacturer.
Other examples
"Gould BS AU 145d"
"UP BS AU 145d" etc etc etc

Or something on the corner of my sisters plates.
Haven't looked on mine

Doesn't matter if the car is pre- september 2001

apd007 · 20-08-2008, 21:18

Theoretically, if I was to copy the markings from a legit plate on to show plates, and also copy over the manufacturers details, would that be legal?

cheezemonkhai · 21-08-2008, 01:16

No, but when you got done for having them the manufacturer would get shafted for making them

Taxi 219 · 21-08-2008, 02:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussarman

Took car for a MOT yesterday and was severley reprimanded for not having the manufacturers name and postcode of the plate printed on the plate, also for not having the BS AU 145d mark engraved on the bottom right of the plate. I was also rememinded that "according to DLA Govt. rules it is illegal to have self adhesive number plates attached to a vehicle".
Apart from all this palava the car passed the MOT

That is all complete and utter b*llocks.
I have 2 non BS marked and plain and stuck on plates and passed the more stricter hackney carriage test.No advises at all so they are talking sh*t.

stuart_hatch · 21-08-2008, 09:46

Anal MOT tester, nuff said

swedishskoda · 21-08-2008, 10:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by djswivel

So, in theory, having my cornish flags in place of the Eu ones is illegal. I feel a minority discrimination case coming on....

Outrageous! I'm thinking about a loophole... if the plate in itself doesn't carry a flag symbol I guess that you could use a surround with the Cornish flag, i.e. this type:

As long as it's not technically part of the plate itself it must be legal?

Slightly OT: I was overtaken the other day by a car with a plate of this type:
FO.jpg

First time I've ever seen one of these, so it took a few seconds before the penny finally dropped. Make your guesses (or googling

): where does it come from?

KLM · 21-08-2008, 11:06

Am I being thick? - I don't get it.

apd007 · 21-08-2008, 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by swedishskoda

As long as it's not technically part of the plate itself it must be legal?

There shouldn't be any problem with having a numberplate background as, as you stated, it isn't part of the number plate.

IIRC someone has cut the extra bit off his old number plates and put them next to his legal number plates and there is not a thing anyone can do about it.

possible group buy for Skoda ones?

19-08-2008, 09:27	#1
hussarman Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 89 Members Car: Octavia I Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	MOT and Number Plates Took car for a MOT yesterday and was severley reprimanded for not having the manufacturers name and postcode of the plate printed on the plate, also for not having the BS AU 145d mark engraved on the bottom right of the plate. I was also rememinded that "according to DLA Govt. rules it is illegal to have self adhesive number plates attached to a vehicle". Apart from all this palava the car passed the MOT

19-08-2008, 09:42	#2
KLM Briskodian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 766 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 120 Thanked 56 Times in 38 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates How do you mean by self adhesive, as in the numberplate being stuck on?

19-08-2008, 10:14	#3
anewman Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Leeds Posts: 3,692 Members Car: 1994 Skoda Favorit GLXIe Estate Images: 3 Thanks: 1,379 Thanked 341 Times in 307 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates They were actually failing cars due to this but because of some sort of technicality they stopped doing it. I presume self adhesive means it is a sticker rather than a proper perspex plate. __________________ 94 Favorit GLXIe Estate Briskoda "Banger" social group

19-08-2008, 19:51	#4
Jonny5ive Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Stonehouse, Glos. Posts: 2,415 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 136 Thanked 70 Times in 59 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates Interesting Mine sailed through an MOT last week with no mention of the technically illegal numberplates as per the OP __________________ Modified Fabia vRS & Vroomster Scout THE FULL 8mins 39sec

19-08-2008, 19:59	#5
Captain Sisko Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Deep Space 9 Posts: 3,166 Members Car: Dainty Little Skoda Favorit 1.3 Images: 13 Thanks: 72 Thanked 182 Times in 177 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates My sisters Micra needed new number plates after the origs were a little dirty The ones currently on the car dont have the manufacturers name and postcode (although it does have the details abot the shop I bought the plates from) I have also noticed my Sisters micra has them screwed in, and my Skoda doesn't have any screws through the number plate. I think it depends on the MOT tester TBH as I only really get pulled up if my car is less than perfect say a bulb not working, etc.... __________________ Skoda Favorit 1.3 LXI 50k miles Clickable for "boring" info

19-08-2008, 20:14	#6
piv34uk MOT TESTER Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bicester,Oxfordshire Posts: 1,567 Members Car: octavia vrs 03 Thanks: 34 Thanked 63 Times in 61 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates No requirement yet to have postcode etc on..... Legal issue that vosa are sorting out, but it will soon become a "failure" point. As for being attached with adhesive as long as they are secure there should be no issue Phil __________________ 1)RED ONE, FEW MODS; AND A HEALTHY 237bhp 2)GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN, 2ND OWNER OF THE BLACK BEAST, GOD WHAT A HOOT LACK OF PLANNING ON YOUR BEHALF DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN EMERGENCY ON MINE

19-08-2008, 20:22	#7
mikejay Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: wigan Posts: 1,324 Members Car: fuby vrs black cupra 160 intake, sachs clutch and jabba remap. 179bhp 340 torque Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates sounds like the tester is a bit of a ****** and id go somewhere else next time! lol __________________ 179BHP AND 340 TORQUE!!!

19-08-2008, 22:10	#9
mannyo BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Stevenage, Herts Posts: 12,723 Members Car: Octavia 2.0 TDi Elegance Thanks: 81 Thanked 539 Times in 494 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates I'll find out about mine in a couple of weeks when my car goes through its first MOT. They have been on the car for 2 years and have not attracted any attention, they look to all intent and purposes the same as legal UK plates but dont have the BS or makers markings on them because they were purchased abroad. Even the dealer plates which were on the car when I purchased it did not carry these markings. __________________ Manny 2005(55) Octavia 2.0TDi Elegance combi, retrofitted maxidot, columbus, RS6 Syle wheels my skoda website http://www.octaviars.co.uk Join the briskoda.net folding team click Here for more info

20-08-2008, 08:57	#10
hussarman Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 89 Members Car: Octavia I Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates Now for some highbrow stuff, Having nothing better to do I came across an item in 'Hansard', the jottings of what goes on in the House of Lords. It seems there is a question of legallity concerning the number plate fitted to the Rover 75. Lord Attlee said that to make this plate perfectly legal, Longbridge would have to recall many thousands of Rover 75's to have a redesigned boot lid fitted as the vehicle has an odd shaped number plate. Hansard also mentions that since November 2001 the whole question of numbers plates with no identification marks is in limbo. So it seems it's all down to what particular copper stops you at the time.

20-08-2008, 09:00	#11
hussarman Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 89 Members Car: Octavia I Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates Sorry, the date in above post should read:- November 2007

20-08-2008, 09:41	#12
djswivel 18 Patio Slabs! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Falmouth, Cornwall Posts: 1,138 Members Car: Fabia vrs Images: 4 Thanks: 124 Thanked 67 Times in 60 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates So, in theory, having my cornish flags in place of the Eu ones is illegal. I feel a minority discrimination case coming on.... __________________ http://www.myspace.com/lackofpower

20-08-2008, 09:57	#13
hussarman Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 89 Members Car: Octavia I Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates Sorry Djswivel, your plate is definately illegal, England, Scotland Wales is allowed and the Euro badge. Another point, having no number plate attracts a £60 on the spot fine, having an illegal number plate attracts a fine of up to £1,000 Madness.

20-08-2008, 12:36	#14
andypandypoos I so wood Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,802 Members Car: armchair Thanks: 27 Thanked 71 Times in 69 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates but it could be possible that one of (or both) your plates get stolen whilst parked somewhere and you don't notice on the drive home hence a small fine, whereas these days you have to go out of your way to get illegal plates, so you get a big fine __________________ Note: This statement was most likely made with a usual dry sense of humor. It was in no way made to offend anyone who may be easily offended. If you find yourself offended by such a statement, you needed more hugs as a child, or more beatings. Whichever you didn't get enough of, you need more of. Probably beatings.

20-08-2008, 20:47	#15
Captain Sisko Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Deep Space 9 Posts: 3,166 Members Car: Dainty Little Skoda Favorit 1.3 Images: 13 Thanks: 72 Thanked 182 Times in 177 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates Just noticed on my sisters they do have that HHSP BS AU 145d. The HHSP bit is the manufacturer. Other examples "Gould BS AU 145d" "UP BS AU 145d" etc etc etc Or something on the corner of my sisters plates. Haven't looked on mine __________________ Skoda Favorit 1.3 LXI 50k miles Clickable for "boring" info

20-08-2008, 21:18	#17
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21-08-2008, 01:16	#18
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 17,311 Members Car: Thanks: 184 Thanked 730 Times in 670 Posts	Re: MOT and Number Plates No, but when you got done for having them the manufacturer would get shafted for making them __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

21-08-2008, 09:46	#20
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