One for the mechanics, please...

devonutopia · 30-03-2004, 10:28

OK - I want to know a simple yes/no, and anything else that will help.

Basically, everyone knows I have a PD100 engine laying around doing sod all at the moment, and am thinking I may make more money if I were to put this engine into another car which has seized up.

I may have found a good donor car. It's a 1997 TDI SE Seat Toledo which looks to have been used as a taxi, but the engine seized 3 years ago at 200K miles. The car is nice looking (for a seat with 200K done)

Its fly by wire which I think is handy given how the throttle works in the Fabia. So if I can get this car for £200ish, what sort of work would be needed to get this car back on the road, AND, how much will a 200K mile Toledo be worth with my PD100 engine / gearbox / ECU etc powering it... I've done an online valuation which puts it £3K with 50000 miles on the clock, but it obviously the rest of the car will have done 200K...

What sort of problems can this cause when it comes to selling it on?

Any help gratefully accepted, and I'm beginning to think that this project will get me more money from my engine than selling it alone. (also comes with tasty private plate, which I could flog on seat enthusiasts...)

Stimps · 30-03-2004, 10:49

Will there be any problems with insurance if the car has had an engine transplant?

devonutopia · 30-03-2004, 10:58

Good question, but that's not for me to worry about as I'll never be insuring it myself.

Its just the mechanical side of things I'm curious about at the moment... Think I may make a couple of K out of this if it works out well.

**roo** · 30-03-2004, 11:00

I take it that it is the previous generation Toledo, in which case it has the Mk3 golf platform underneath. The mounting points for the enging/gearbox shoiuld be similar if not the same so so it should be fairly easy to adapt your engine to fit in it. As it uses the same drive by wire system in the fabia, that part is already sorted and it will just be the connecting up that will be the problem.
You will have to tell the DVLA of the engine change and supply them with the engine number for their records. After that it is just the work that would be needed for it to pass its MOT.

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devonutopia · 30-03-2004, 11:05

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Originally Posted by rooboy

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Woos!

Got a bit of a stutter there too...

***Neo_VR*** · 30-03-2004, 11:16

isnt 1997 pre-PD?
in which case you may have problems with fuelling... tank, fuel pump etc

ecklad · 30-03-2004, 11:52

Saleability issues...

old shape Toledo is based on the 90bhp TDI.. so there might be issues putting a 100bhp PD motor in.. Also the old shape Seat don't really hold there value...

I would not bother.. more hassle than reward...

Dazz

Stimps · 30-03-2004, 11:54

Jason,

Have you tried looking for a dead fabia that could take the donor organ?

devonutopia · 30-03-2004, 13:11

No dead Fabias / Octys about that I've found...

These 1997 TDI Toledos do still go for around £3000 privately. Even £2500 with 200K miles on the clock, so if I'm getting a dead one for nothing surely there's something to make? Fuel pump shouldn't be an issue as I guess I can transplant the one out the wreck...?

Got to remember the retail value versus the value of it inside another car. IMO its worth more in a car than on its own. Being a "pain" isn't really an issue as I 'ave a couple of mechanically minded mates who will help me and who I'll cut in on any profits too.

I still fancy doing this as I'm getting quite dispondant my engine won't sell for the right dosh...

Saleability is gonna be a problem but then I hope the engine will sell the car more than the design aesthetics etc.

devonutopia · 30-03-2004, 18:01

I've been slightly put off this idea now. The car itself looks to be in bad shape. From a piccie I can see the boot isn't lining up properly with the surrounding bodywork.

Still not sure about the engine though?

FabiaTDi · 30-03-2004, 18:07

Jason - have you advertised the engine on TDiclub and the Dieselcar forums?.. just a thought..

devonutopia · 30-03-2004, 18:10

dieselcar? wossat? TDIclub I think I have but I'll check. Ta

devonutopia · 30-03-2004, 18:31

I've put an ad on dieselcar.com and can't remember my password for TDIclub..

**robmawer** · 31-03-2004, 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonutopia

From a piccie I can see the boot isn't lining up properly with the surrounding bodywork.

But then, it is a Seat...

Old Golf would probably be a better donor, as people generally like Golfs...

Rob.

30-03-2004, 10:28	#1
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,080 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 74 Thanked 350 Times in 293 Posts	One for the mechanics, please... OK - I want to know a simple yes/no, and anything else that will help. Basically, everyone knows I have a PD100 engine laying around doing sod all at the moment, and am thinking I may make more money if I were to put this engine into another car which has seized up. I may have found a good donor car. It's a 1997 TDI SE Seat Toledo which looks to have been used as a taxi, but the engine seized 3 years ago at 200K miles. The car is nice looking (for a seat with 200K done) Its fly by wire which I think is handy given how the throttle works in the Fabia. So if I can get this car for £200ish, what sort of work would be needed to get this car back on the road, AND, how much will a 200K mile Toledo be worth with my PD100 engine / gearbox / ECU etc powering it... I've done an online valuation which puts it £3K with 50000 miles on the clock, but it obviously the rest of the car will have done 200K... What sort of problems can this cause when it comes to selling it on? Any help gratefully accepted, and I'm beginning to think that this project will get me more money from my engine than selling it alone. (also comes with tasty private plate, which I could flog on seat enthusiasts...) __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

30-03-2004, 10:49	#2
Stimps Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Colchester Posts: 5,091 Members Car: Fabia 1.4 16v Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Will there be any problems with insurance if the car has had an engine transplant? __________________ Steve « Nature Green 1.4 16v Fabia Comfort »

30-03-2004, 10:58	#3
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,080 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 74 Thanked 350 Times in 293 Posts	Good question, but that's not for me to worry about as I'll never be insuring it myself. Its just the mechanical side of things I'm curious about at the moment... Think I may make a couple of K out of this if it works out well. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

30-03-2004, 11:16	#6
*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,458 Members Car: A White Car Thanks: 78 Thanked 176 Times in 125 Posts	isnt 1997 pre-PD? in which case you may have problems with fuelling... tank, fuel pump etc __________________ ColGod the UberMod ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY??

30-03-2004, 11:52	#7
ecklad Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Shamone Mother F*****r Hi Hi Posts: 727 Members Car: 2003 Skoda Octavia vRS, met Black... Standard Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Saleability issues... old shape Toledo is based on the 90bhp TDI.. so there might be issues putting a 100bhp PD motor in.. Also the old shape Seat don't really hold there value... I would not bother.. more hassle than reward... Dazz __________________ Blackadder Quote of the Year ! ( I don't change it often) Blackadder: Baldrick, have you no idea what irony is? Baldrick: Yes, it's like goldy and bronzy only it's made out of iron. 03 reg Magic Black Octavia vRS, standard well apart from, Pagid FR pads, 225x45x17 Toyo Proxies T1-R.

30-03-2004, 11:54	#8
Stimps Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Colchester Posts: 5,091 Members Car: Fabia 1.4 16v Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jason, Have you tried looking for a dead fabia that could take the donor organ? __________________ Steve « Nature Green 1.4 16v Fabia Comfort »

30-03-2004, 13:11	#9
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,080 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 74 Thanked 350 Times in 293 Posts	No dead Fabias / Octys about that I've found... These 1997 TDI Toledos do still go for around £3000 privately. Even £2500 with 200K miles on the clock, so if I'm getting a dead one for nothing surely there's something to make? Fuel pump shouldn't be an issue as I guess I can transplant the one out the wreck...? Got to remember the retail value versus the value of it inside another car. IMO its worth more in a car than on its own. Being a "pain" isn't really an issue as I 'ave a couple of mechanically minded mates who will help me and who I'll cut in on any profits too. I still fancy doing this as I'm getting quite dispondant my engine won't sell for the right dosh... Saleability is gonna be a problem but then I hope the engine will sell the car more than the design aesthetics etc. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

30-03-2004, 18:01	#10
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,080 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 74 Thanked 350 Times in 293 Posts	I've been slightly put off this idea now. The car itself looks to be in bad shape. From a piccie I can see the boot isn't lining up properly with the surrounding bodywork. Still not sure about the engine though? __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

30-03-2004, 18:07	#11
FabiaTDi VT5 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 2,001 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jason - have you advertised the engine on TDiclub and the Dieselcar forums?.. just a thought.. __________________ Was: 2003 Allard Tuned Fabia vRS VT5 Turbo Conversion Now: 2008 Audi A3 Sportback TDI

30-03-2004, 18:10	#12
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,080 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 74 Thanked 350 Times in 293 Posts	dieselcar? wossat? TDIclub I think I have but I'll check. Ta __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

30-03-2004, 18:31	#13
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,080 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 74 Thanked 350 Times in 293 Posts	I've put an ad on dieselcar.com and can't remember my password for TDIclub.. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

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