Build me some ICE...

***ColinD*** · 12-05-2004, 10:29

Okay, ICE is a grey area for me...

However I'm experimenting with a pc in the car driving various applications displayed on a touchpanel mounted in/on the dash.

Thus far feeding a san remo blaupakunt HU on AUX all goes well, apart from the auxillary feed from the soundcard on the PC is not that strong. Or the auxilliary feed pick up in the HU is pants. The net result is I have the volume at 30-40 for loud music on say radio or cd, but have to push it to 60 for the AUX feed. This creates a massive issue if traffic comes on or I forget and turn to radio...not good nearly put it in the barriers the first time traffic cut in.

I also have a small hum in the system when I connect the screen to the pc. This I understand could be solved by earthing or a capacitor on the powersupply.

So build me ICE...I want to get this all working.

So, is anybody willing to help me out with wiring/ doing the job/ selecting me a suitable HU/ speakers/ very very practical amp in the boot (bearing in mind my boot is often damp from camping/walking).

To me the music is not that important, but of couse like most I do enjoy it. SWMBO however is a musican and appantly the sound in the octy is a good few marks below useless...so the sound needs to be improved, less distortion and more clarity in particular of the mid ranges?

I have two infinity 650i's? On the shelf but will sell thse if not suitable. I had them in the 4x4 and it made some difference, but it was on stock HU.

So there we go, cheque book in hand, willing to travel to a fitter who is willing to answer the odd question while I look in in

**roo** · 12-05-2004, 10:51

Get in touch with Andy_ccr, he may be able to help you in this area.

faboka vrs · 12-05-2004, 10:55

Might be a good idea asking the lads on www.talkaudio.co.uk These people know their stuff.

By the sounds of it you need a subless system like TIMVRS.

If it was me I'd go for a set of infinity 6000cs in the front doors, keep your 6x9s and power the lot of a 4ch amp. Also when fitting the front speakers put a few layers of sound proofing on the door skin behind the speaker.

gibbo01 · 12-05-2004, 10:58

Colin

Try www.autoelectronix.co.uk

Steve Houghton he knows his stuff and although he cant supply any products he is good on recomendations and what works well etc, he will come to your house and install any thing you require.

And as a bonus he used to co own school lane sports cars before jim bought it and turned it into awesome.

Mike

Buzz L · 12-05-2004, 11:08

I know nothing about ICE, but check out this link http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/archive/index.php/f-25, theres a guy on thier doing a similar install into a Leon.

**mannyo** · 12-05-2004, 11:10

Change the soundcard in the PC, the aux in on the hu is fine. I play my ipaq through it no problems.

faboka vrs · 12-05-2004, 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannyo

Change the soundcard in the PC, the aux in on the hu is fine. I play my ipaq through it no problems.

And if that doesn't help you need a Line driver to boost the signal http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/prod...s_id=898&tab=2

I agree with mannyo, the hu aux in should be fine.

***ColinD*** · 12-05-2004, 11:35

Have tried two soundcards, well two machines, one is a JVC mini laptop the other is an EPIA built in.

Will try the various links...and the line booster is a possibility I think as I'm bound on size, cards expansions and costs

Edit: EEK just looked at price of that line feed booster...gulp...last resort now.

**mannyo** · 12-05-2004, 12:05

Connect the aux in to the soundcard speaker output and use the o/s volume control to increase/decrease the output volume.

redbaron · 12-05-2004, 12:07

col bring it round i will work on it with you...

as my garage backlog is clearing

***ColinD*** · 12-05-2004, 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannyo

Connect the aux in to the soundcard speaker output and use the o/s volume control to increase/decrease the output volume.

Manny...I never thought to turn it right up on the o/s...

Sorry.

Tried this don't fear...short of getting one of the desktops out of my study and trying that I think it's either the HU or crappy integrated soundcards.

Unless you happen to have a sanremo HU?

Monkey Boy · 12-05-2004, 12:56

Would be happy to help Colin all you need to do is ask

Currently tryin to put the tv in the double din slot and stereo in climate control location then hiding the climate controls under the ashtray flap so it's hidden. Think this would solve your screen mount problems.

We could try to put your pc output through my head unit as each source has a volume adjust so when you go from cd to radio they are the same volume. Would just need to make up some patch leads.

humsk · 12-05-2004, 13:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannyo

Connect the aux in to the soundcard speaker output and use the o/s volume control to increase/decrease the output volume.

Problem with this route is you adding extra circuitry into the loop which will degrade the sound quality. Best solution would be an on-board amplifier to boost the signal before sending it out to the HU - less than a tenner for the components.

Is there a separate volume control in the menu settings for the AUX IN - some HUs (eg Clarion) have this feature for balancing the sound levels.

Connecting all of the 0V grounds to one place will help with getting rid of hum.

Sounds like an interesting project - hope your successful.

andy_ccr · 13-05-2004, 14:23

Autoleads do a cheap 'line driver', part number is PC9-460. it will take a standard 1v olt peak to peak input and give a maximum of 4 volt peak to peak output. Or you could use a PC 1-602 which will convert speaker level output to RCA...

Andy

skodaw · 15-05-2004, 20:02

Colin
Try mp3car.com - quite an interesting site - forum and shop for just the sort of gear your trying to put together.

Sounds like an interesting project -- keep us posted on progress - you know seeing as how you've got nothing else to do

***ColinD*** · 16-05-2004, 14:45

Dave,

Yep use that site alot, very very usefull.

Saturday met up with Manny at the AmD rolling day. We did a little test using his mp3 player and concluded that it is infact my HU that is useless. Strange as Manny's is also a bluespot jobbie.

So Thumbs down to the san remo for aux feed...

TFT was fine on the way home, it's most bizzare...a bizzare day indeed.

***ColinD*** · 18-05-2004, 17:31

So next step, bolting car Pc to boot and running cables. But to do this I think I need to plan this subless install because I am not shredding fingers on plastic trim twice...

I need power...cig lighter is not up to it....

**tfboy** · 18-05-2004, 18:28

Colin, if you're a member on talkaudio, you may want to PM stuthemong.

He's gone down the mini epia pc in boot with usb touchscreen up front and it's really really good. I asked him the other day. The screen is xernarc.

Although he's sorting out a decent power supply for it. An "Opus PSU" is what he's getting but apparently there's a 1-2 month lead time

BTW, edited to say if you're in the reading area this weekend, there's a big ice meet. I'll be going along so if you have any questions, pass them on and I'll enquire (although stu won't be coming

)

***ColinD*** · 18-05-2004, 19:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by tfboy

Colin, if you're a member on talkaudio, you may want to PM stuthemong.

He's gone down the mini epia pc in boot with usb touchscreen up front and it's really really good. I asked him the other day. The screen is xernarc.

Although he's sorting out a decent power supply for it. An "Opus PSU" is what he's getting but apparently there's a 1-2 month lead time

BTW, edited to say if you're in the reading area this weekend, there's a big ice meet. I'll be going along so if you have any questions, pass them on and I'll enquire (although stu won't be coming

)

Xavier,

Not a member there, kind of doing it the hard way I guess.

Xenarc, yes alternative to the the lilliput touchscreen I have.

Opus PSU, can get one tomorrow. Opus PSU is the best I guess, but again size of case and price from good old Rapid means I'm using an ITPS and built in PSU of case (all 12v).

Not in Reading and TBH I'd be confused there as I am at a flower show.

Screen and pc are all working fine, just need to plumb it in next to an amp and speakers/hu now I know the HU is naff....just need to catch Andy when he's not plumbing other peoples cars

Anybody know any good fibreglass/resin people?

**tfboy** · 18-05-2004, 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColinD

Anybody know any good fibreglass/resin people?

If it's a professional to do the job for you, no.

If it's an amateur who's getting very good at doing it and you want to read up about it, Mark (mulletboy) on talkaudio is the god of fibre kick
build faqs

http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=62026

edited to say if you do have any questions, feel free to ask there. They're nearly as kind as briskodians

12-05-2004, 10:29	#1
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,312 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 29 Thanked 174 Times in 80 Posts	Build me some ICE... Okay, ICE is a grey area for me... However I'm experimenting with a pc in the car driving various applications displayed on a touchpanel mounted in/on the dash. Thus far feeding a san remo blaupakunt HU on AUX all goes well, apart from the auxillary feed from the soundcard on the PC is not that strong. Or the auxilliary feed pick up in the HU is pants. The net result is I have the volume at 30-40 for loud music on say radio or cd, but have to push it to 60 for the AUX feed. This creates a massive issue if traffic comes on or I forget and turn to radio...not good nearly put it in the barriers the first time traffic cut in. I also have a small hum in the system when I connect the screen to the pc. This I understand could be solved by earthing or a capacitor on the powersupply. So build me ICE...I want to get this all working. So, is anybody willing to help me out with wiring/ doing the job/ selecting me a suitable HU/ speakers/ very very practical amp in the boot (bearing in mind my boot is often damp from camping/walking). To me the music is not that important, but of couse like most I do enjoy it. SWMBO however is a musican and appantly the sound in the octy is a good few marks below useless...so the sound needs to be improved, less distortion and more clarity in particular of the mid ranges? I have two infinity 650i's? On the shelf but will sell thse if not suitable. I had them in the 4x4 and it made some difference, but it was on stock HU. So there we go, cheque book in hand, willing to travel to a fitter who is willing to answer the odd question while I look in in __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

12-05-2004, 10:55	#3
faboka vrs Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Merseyside Posts: 6,054 Members Car: 2004 Fabia vRS TDI PD130 Thanks: 14 Thanked 46 Times in 46 Posts	Might be a good idea asking the lads on www.talkaudio.co.uk These people know their stuff. By the sounds of it you need a subless system like TIMVRS. If it was me I'd go for a set of infinity 6000cs in the front doors, keep your 6x9s and power the lot of a 4ch amp. Also when fitting the front speakers put a few layers of sound proofing on the door skin behind the speaker. __________________ John 2004 Skoda Fabia vRS - Xenons - Heated Seats - Cruise Control - Passenger Airbag Deactivation switch - Side Airbags

12-05-2004, 10:58	#4
gibbo01 Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cheshire Posts: 282 Members Car: Octavia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Colin Try www.autoelectronix.co.uk Steve Houghton he knows his stuff and although he cant supply any products he is good on recomendations and what works well etc, he will come to your house and install any thing you require. And as a bonus he used to co own school lane sports cars before jim bought it and turned it into awesome. Mike __________________ He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed. Proverbs:13:20

12-05-2004, 11:08	#5
Buzz L Briskodian Join Date: May 2004 Location: A galaxy far far away Posts: 195 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I know nothing about ICE, but check out this link http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/archive/index.php/f-25, theres a guy on thier doing a similar install into a Leon. __________________ Black Magic Fabia v/RS with cruise, Seat Sport Strut Brace and JVC EXAD KD-LHX502

12-05-2004, 11:10	#6
mannyo BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Stevenage Herts. Posts: 11,474 Members Car: Octavia 2.0 TDi Elegance Thanks: 58 Thanked 361 Times in 332 Posts	Change the soundcard in the PC, the aux in on the hu is fine. I play my ipaq through it no problems. __________________ Manny 2005 Octavia 2.0TDi Elegance combi my skoda website http://www.octaviars.co.uk Join the briskoda.net folding team click Here for more info

12-05-2004, 11:35	#8
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,312 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 29 Thanked 174 Times in 80 Posts	Have tried two soundcards, well two machines, one is a JVC mini laptop the other is an EPIA built in. Will try the various links...and the line booster is a possibility I think as I'm bound on size, cards expansions and costs Edit: EEK just looked at price of that line feed booster...gulp...last resort now. __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views. Last edited by ColinD; 12-05-2004 at 11:41.

12-05-2004, 12:05	#9
mannyo BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Stevenage Herts. Posts: 11,474 Members Car: Octavia 2.0 TDi Elegance Thanks: 58 Thanked 361 Times in 332 Posts	Connect the aux in to the soundcard speaker output and use the o/s volume control to increase/decrease the output volume. __________________ Manny 2005 Octavia 2.0TDi Elegance combi my skoda website http://www.octaviars.co.uk Join the briskoda.net folding team click Here for more info

12-05-2004, 12:07	#10
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,567 Members Car: Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	col bring it round i will work on it with you... as my garage backlog is clearing __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

12-05-2004, 12:56	#12
Monkey Boy Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Under The Bonnet Posts: 645 Members Car: Fabia VRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Would be happy to help Colin all you need to do is ask Currently tryin to put the tv in the double din slot and stereo in climate control location then hiding the climate controls under the ashtray flap so it's hidden. Think this would solve your screen mount problems. We could try to put your pc output through my head unit as each source has a volume adjust so when you go from cd to radio they are the same volume. Would just need to make up some patch leads. __________________ Octavia VRs mk1

13-05-2004, 14:23	#14
andy_ccr Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Essex Posts: 407 Members Car: Octavia vRS Hatch, Ford Focus Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Autoleads do a cheap 'line driver', part number is PC9-460. it will take a standard 1v olt peak to peak input and give a maximum of 4 volt peak to peak output. Or you could use a PC 1-602 which will convert speaker level output to RCA... Andy __________________ Black '53' Octy vRS - 18inch RS4 in Graphite Grey - Colour coded front grill - Samco TIP - Carbonio filter - OBD Remap by Mike @ Impossible Performance Forge FMIC SuperSprint cat back exhaust. Coming soon - Rear ARB, better suspension, better brakes.... Damn that bloody Nurburgring ! Coming before the end of Jan 2007 - Audi A4 Cabriolet - Ebony Black- 18inch RS4 Wheels - Red Knappa leather

15-05-2004, 20:02	#15
skodaw Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: This area is under construction - please call back later :) Posts: 3,186 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	Colin Try mp3car.com - quite an interesting site - forum and shop for just the sort of gear your trying to put together. Sounds like an interesting project -- keep us posted on progress - you know seeing as how you've got nothing else to do __________________ Dave '05 Silver Fabia vRS

16-05-2004, 14:45	#16
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,312 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 29 Thanked 174 Times in 80 Posts	Dave, Yep use that site alot, very very usefull. Saturday met up with Manny at the AmD rolling day. We did a little test using his mp3 player and concluded that it is infact my HU that is useless. Strange as Manny's is also a bluespot jobbie. So Thumbs down to the san remo for aux feed... TFT was fine on the way home, it's most bizzare...a bizzare day indeed. __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

18-05-2004, 17:31	#17
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,312 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 29 Thanked 174 Times in 80 Posts	So next step, bolting car Pc to boot and running cables. But to do this I think I need to plan this subless install because I am not shredding fingers on plastic trim twice... I need power...cig lighter is not up to it.... __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

18-05-2004, 18:28	#18
tfboy C+ à Paris! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tilehurst, Berkshire Posts: 6,326 Members Car: "Fake" Black Magic vRS Thanks: 21 Thanked 77 Times in 67 Posts	Colin, if you're a member on talkaudio, you may want to PM stuthemong. He's gone down the mini epia pc in boot with usb touchscreen up front and it's really really good. I asked him the other day. The screen is xernarc. Although he's sorting out a decent power supply for it. An "Opus PSU" is what he's getting but apparently there's a 1-2 month lead time BTW, edited to say if you're in the reading area this weekend, there's a big ice meet. I'll be going along so if you have any questions, pass them on and I'll enquire (although stu won't be coming ) __________________ Xavier

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