brakes upgrade - some questions

SkodiRS · 20-01-2004, 21:15

Will be upgrading my brakes and I've more or less made up my mind what I'm going for.

However is it ok just to change the front discs and pads and leave the rears as standard?

If it is better to upgrade the rears can I just get away with changing the pads?

I hope to take in at least one track day, if the Briskoda track day comes off, but other than that I won't be a track day regular. I also plan to have the brake fluid upgraded but will wait until my 40k service.

Apart from the better resistance to fade I guess the upgrade fluid will give better pedal feel?

Cheers.
Adrian.

Lummox · 20-01-2004, 22:19

The rear brakes really dont do much, well not compared to the fronts anyhow.

This is quite often shown by the fact they usually seize up or corrode before they wear out.

Upgrade the fronts and just renew the rears if required. You can go with uprated pads but these are usually harder and will wear the discs quicker.

Up to you really.

SkodiRS · 20-01-2004, 23:36

Thanks Ross......you said more or less what I thought.

Cheers.
Adrian.

SimonT · 21-01-2004, 08:47

Hello Adrian,

As you've probably guessed from my post in the "which group buy next?" thread, I'm currently doing exactly what you are planning.

I've PMd and spoken to a few of the more "experienced" members of this board and a few outsiders.

Although back brakes obviously don't do the same amount of work as the fronts, I've been told by those who know much more than I

that it's a very good idea to have the same compound pads front and back in order to prevent the system becoming unbalanced. Too much front bias is, apparently, a bad thing.

1) Change the front rotors to a grooved (NOT drilled) set
2) Replace the front pads with DS2500s
3) Also replace the back pads (not discs) with DS2500

HTH,
Si

redbaron · 21-01-2004, 08:53

Both Colin and myself have gone for Black diamond discs Col has gone for the laides favourite of DS2500 whilst I have gone for Intercity's finest the quiet running

DS3000

both are good setup and would recommend either to anyone requiring more feel... but dont forget to go for super 4.1 fluid.

SkodiRS · 21-01-2004, 09:04

Thanks Chaps!

Did wonder about the front/rear bias...............I imagine hard use like on the track would make a difference but how much so on the road?

My preference is BD combi for the fronts with DS2500 pads. Can I get away with upgrading the rear pads to D2500 at a later date?

Will get the fluid change at 40k service.

Real Skoda · 21-01-2004, 09:31

You can change the brake bias if you really really need to but as it is it has a limited form of automatic bias control built into the system.

Stuart_J · 21-01-2004, 10:42

I have 335x32 front discs with AP 4 pots on the front of the 4x4 & std rears & during heavy braking the rear feels loose so the rears are on the list of "things to be looked at" having said that the rears on the 4x4 are plain discs, not vented as the RS so Rs rears might be Ok with better pads

Stuart

badger5 · 21-01-2004, 14:07

Given you say the rears feel light.... would'nt this be because you have so much front end brake bite now? Rears being overbraked now with suspension dive etc...

Bill

Stuart_J · 22-01-2004, 08:35

Bill,

You may well be right, I must admit its only when you really stand on the brakes & is most noticable in a straight line when you tend to have to slightly correct the line of the car as it feels as though the back is moving from side to side although its only very slight, on the odd ocasion it has happened it may also be caused by undulating road surface.
Im running KW V2 suspension & since I have stiffened up the fronts I havent noticed it so much so again this might point to your theory. Still once the rears are sorted I will know. I am also getting a noticable amount of brake dust on the rears when the car is used hard, not sure if this is due to the brakes working hard or whether the Four wheel drive system also activates the rear brakes to stop wheels slipping as it does on the front. Does anyone know the answer to that one ???

Stuart

20-01-2004, 21:15	#1
SkodiRS BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: darkest Hampshire Posts: 8,650 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	brakes upgrade - some questions Will be upgrading my brakes and I've more or less made up my mind what I'm going for. However is it ok just to change the front discs and pads and leave the rears as standard? If it is better to upgrade the rears can I just get away with changing the pads? I hope to take in at least one track day, if the Briskoda track day comes off, but other than that I won't be a track day regular. I also plan to have the brake fluid upgraded but will wait until my 40k service. Apart from the better resistance to fade I guess the upgrade fluid will give better pedal feel? Cheers. Adrian. __________________ Adrian.

20-01-2004, 22:19	#2
Lummox U18 Automotive Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,816 Thanks: 22 Thanked 658 Times in 554 Posts	The rear brakes really dont do much, well not compared to the fronts anyhow. This is quite often shown by the fact they usually seize up or corrode before they wear out. Upgrade the fronts and just renew the rears if required. You can go with uprated pads but these are usually harder and will wear the discs quicker. Up to you really. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services now open Servicing, repairs, modifications you name it we do it. Cupra console bushes at special price, PM for a very competitive quote.

20-01-2004, 23:36	#3
SkodiRS BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: darkest Hampshire Posts: 8,650 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	Thanks Ross......you said more or less what I thought. Cheers. Adrian. __________________ Adrian.

21-01-2004, 08:53	#5
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,463 Thanks: 13 Thanked 65 Times in 57 Posts	Both Colin and myself have gone for Black diamond discs Col has gone for the laides favourite of DS2500 whilst I have gone for Intercity's finest the quiet running DS3000 both are good setup and would recommend either to anyone requiring more feel... but dont forget to go for super 4.1 fluid. __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

21-01-2004, 09:04	#6
SkodiRS BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: darkest Hampshire Posts: 8,650 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	Thanks Chaps! Did wonder about the front/rear bias...............I imagine hard use like on the track would make a difference but how much so on the road? My preference is BD combi for the fronts with DS2500 pads. Can I get away with upgrading the rear pads to D2500 at a later date? Will get the fluid change at 40k service. __________________ Adrian.

21-01-2004, 08:47	#4
SimonT Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,174 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Adrian, As you've probably guessed from my post in the "which group buy next?" thread, I'm currently doing exactly what you are planning. I've PMd and spoken to a few of the more "experienced" members of this board and a few outsiders. Although back brakes obviously don't do the same amount of work as the fronts, I've been told by those who know much more than I that it's a very good idea to have the same compound pads front and back in order to prevent the system becoming unbalanced. Too much front bias is, apparently, a bad thing. 1) Change the front rotors to a grooved (NOT drilled) set 2) Replace the front pads with DS2500s 3) Also replace the back pads (not discs) with DS2500 HTH, Si

21-01-2004, 09:31	#7
Real Skoda BANNED Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southend Posts: 522 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	You can change the brake bias if you really really need to but as it is it has a limited form of automatic bias control built into the system.

21-01-2004, 10:42	#8
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,605 Thanks: 38 Thanked 81 Times in 74 Posts	I have 335x32 front discs with AP 4 pots on the front of the 4x4 & std rears & during heavy braking the rear feels loose so the rears are on the list of "things to be looked at" having said that the rears on the 4x4 are plain discs, not vented as the RS so Rs rears might be Ok with better pads Stuart __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

21-01-2004, 14:07	#9
badger5 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: nr Glos,UK Posts: 499 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Given you say the rears feel light.... would'nt this be because you have so much front end brake bite now? Rears being overbraked now with suspension dive etc... Bill __________________ 517bhp / 378lbft SEAT Ibiza Badger Mobile

22-01-2004, 08:35	#10
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,605 Thanks: 38 Thanked 81 Times in 74 Posts	Bill, You may well be right, I must admit its only when you really stand on the brakes & is most noticable in a straight line when you tend to have to slightly correct the line of the car as it feels as though the back is moving from side to side although its only very slight, on the odd ocasion it has happened it may also be caused by undulating road surface. Im running KW V2 suspension & since I have stiffened up the fronts I havent noticed it so much so again this might point to your theory. Still once the rears are sorted I will know. I am also getting a noticable amount of brake dust on the rears when the car is used hard, not sure if this is due to the brakes working hard or whether the Four wheel drive system also activates the rear brakes to stop wheels slipping as it does on the front. Does anyone know the answer to that one ??? Stuart __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

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