Going Shopping Tomorrow

redbaron · 09-06-2003, 17:29

heres what i plan to buy...

i do want a big turbo conversion so im going for som epreliminary stuff that i think will come in useful:-

0 forge dumpvalve (already on)

1 neuspeed intake kit
2 abd big bore turbo intake pipe
3 milltek downpipe with sport cats
4 milltek rear section

your thoughts would be appreciated.

any thoughts at all!

Witchfinder · 09-06-2003, 17:41

Thoughts:

1) Can't wait to see how fast it'll go!
2) Lucky b@$tard
3) Which turbo kit are you going for?

redbaron · 09-06-2003, 17:47

do you go to the local meets... if so you will see as i plan to come along and look a pratt...

Fabpreza · 09-06-2003, 18:45

... playing "Radio Chorley, Coming in Your Ears" on the stereo ?

Or have I just been watching too much Peter Kay ?

redbaron · 09-06-2003, 19:26

Quote:

Originally posted by Fabpreza in this post
... playing "Radio Chorley, Coming in Your Ears" on the stereo ?

Or have I just been watching too much Peter Kay ?

no just too long on't tinternet.... be careful youll end up in hospickle.

Disco@Impreziv · 09-06-2003, 19:33

Garlic Bread?

**TaviaRS** · 09-06-2003, 19:36

Which cats, 200 CPI I assume. Any lower and the CEL will come on. If you do want the 100 CPI I'm sure Disco could sort you out with a fix

Intake kit? Is that what I think it is, namely an induction kit. If so I assume you are doing it just for noise as they only give a max of 4 bhp.

If you are going shopping, could you get some pizza and beer as well?

Ta

redbaron · 09-06-2003, 19:46

I assume 200 cpi but i dont really understand cats?

still hankering after none at all - are we talking f.a bhp or loads. the graph on millteks website for the a3 is pretty bloody impressive?

**TaviaRS** · 09-06-2003, 19:48

Looks about right to me

redbaron · 09-06-2003, 19:53

so tavia, what power do you think i would have with the bits on the list? before chip tuning/ big turbo?

**TaviaRS** · 09-06-2003, 20:13

Very rough guess:

210-215 bhp
310nm of torque

redbaron · 09-06-2003, 20:20

thats cool and the gang!

so with a remap.. maybe 250?

and a big turbo and remap 300?

"nothing can stop us now J.J."

**TaviaRS** · 09-06-2003, 20:40

Big turbo, manifold,injectors - 350ish

**delcac** · 09-06-2003, 20:42

Quote:

Originally posted by TaviaRS in this post
Big turbo, manifold,injectors - 350ish

Money wasted on an RS IMHO, yet incredibly well spend on a 4x4!

Quinten · 09-06-2003, 21:07

Oh please, not again...

**delcac** · 09-06-2003, 21:10

Quote:

Originally posted by delcac in this post
Money wasted on an RS IMHO, yet incredibly well spend on a 4x4!

The gods ave spoken............and messed wif me post.

Disco@Impreziv · 09-06-2003, 21:17

If you're still hankering after no cats, we start developing a decat system tomorrow, and will have the CEL fixes within a fortnight.

Dutch4x4 · 09-06-2003, 21:22

Oh, I wouldn't know, Des.

A 230hp RS would have the same torque as a well-tuned 350hp RS, but the torque would come in much higher up the rev range - and remain up until 7000rpm. Having that torque at 7000rpm gives it the high hp number. Wheel torque will be about the same.

(It's where Honda gets it huge power-per-litre from - reasonable torque delivered up until an amazing, and reliable, 9000rpm. Without a turbo.)

It would turn into a different car, though. Getting the full load would mean revving it till no tomorrow. No diesel-like behaviour as in the standard RS! Low-range torque might even be a bit disappointing, and I'd expect any results to show themselves only above 80 mph. In other words, it would be a perfect Autobahnstormer.

I only wonder what you would do handling-wise. Would you give it a locked front diff (and give it a bloody scary experience through corners) or would you sort the car through careful suspension set-up changes? For instance, is it possible to play with the camber on an RS?

steve · 09-06-2003, 21:47

I would rather 350bhp through 4 wheels than 2 front ones.
After experencing 280bhp in a 4x4 and 180 in the RS i cant see how you could get the power to the floor without

1 embarassing yourself
2 buying new tyres every other week.

Or is it just that im a crap driver?

350BHP,Monster brakes and 4WD in a Skoda. Sounds good to me.
Someone hurry up and do it .

Steve
Ive seen the light and it had 4x4 stamped on it

Fabpreza · 09-06-2003, 22:03

If and when finances allow (2004?) I can see that a Max Power version of my 4x4 estate is going to be very tempting.

I wonder how much I'd be able to get away with before she'd notice ? I've already had "it's not that much slower than the Subaru - you're not going to chip it are you ?" (Already have :p )

I reckon that I'd just about get away with 280bhp if I used the torque and kept the revs down

Witchfinder · 09-06-2003, 22:41

Quote:

Originally posted by ffelan in this post
do you go to the local meets... if so you will see as i plan to come along and look a pratt...

I've not been to one yet as it's a bit out of the way. I keep meaning to though!

redbaron · 09-06-2003, 23:37

Quote:

Originally posted by delcac in this post
Money wasted on an RS IMHO, yet incredibly well spend on a 4x4!

why would you want a 350bhp sheep lugging 4x4?

Dutch4x4 · 09-06-2003, 23:48

Des's split personality was probably thinking of a 4x4 hatch

But it's not out of this world: here (in the fourth post) is a guy who actually wanted one...

llblake · 10-06-2003, 09:29

Paul,

I would steer clear of the Miltek rear box, a number of us me included found that the rear box tended to move around a lot ch producing an annoying rattling sound at low speeds. In the end I replaced the rear box with a hand made one which sounds and looks a lot better IMHO.

Lloyd

**delcac** · 10-06-2003, 09:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Dutch4x4 in this post
Des's split personality was probably thinking of a 4x4 hatch

Here's my 2p worth, FWIW.

This is my own person preference and not to everyone's taste. My RS very rarely gets to see a m/way so I have tailored the car to suit my needs, short an sharp in other words. The power comes in at 2100rpm roughly and peeks at 5400rpm just above 242.7bhp and 266.2ft lb (now that the Milltek s/cats is on).

All of this adds up to hell of a standing start or standing still start for a second or two in most cases, that still gets me a sub 6 second 0 - 60, so what does this tell us, I think you all know the answer. IMHO 280bhp is the limit for a stock running gear RS and according to Mike at Jabba the power will come in at 2700rpm with the IHI Stage 1 conv. still low enough for all hell to break loose from a standing start.

As for grip (please note I said grip) around bends the RS wins hands down everytime any day of the week, sorry 4X4 owners driver aids aside they let go to early.

As for traction and as Steve found out in the S3, the 4X4 wins no question. Just needs a bit of fettling to make it great, something you just can't do in the RS. If you want to go higher you have to go down the 4X4 route, IMO

Des

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redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,559 Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	Going Shopping Tomorrow heres what i plan to buy... i do want a big turbo conversion so im going for som epreliminary stuff that i think will come in useful:- 0 forge dumpvalve (already on) 1 neuspeed intake kit 2 abd big bore turbo intake pipe 3 milltek downpipe with sport cats 4 milltek rear section your thoughts would be appreciated. any thoughts at all! __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling. Last edited by redbaron; 09-06-2003 at 17:47.

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Witchfinder Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Wheelspinning 'round the wet roads of Manchester Posts: 1,284 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thoughts: 1) Can't wait to see how fast it'll go! 2) Lucky b@$tard 3) Which turbo kit are you going for? __________________ Rob Illing Play Interstellar War: "Fleet Battles" and "Conquest" for free! The ST220 has landed! Die Micra, Die!

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redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,559 Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	do you go to the local meets... if so you will see as i plan to come along and look a pratt... __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

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Disco@Impreziv Briskodian Join Date: May 2003 Location: Essex Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Garlic Bread? __________________ Naughty Scoob specialist, helping develop the thinking mans performance car!

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TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Which cats, 200 CPI I assume. Any lower and the CEL will come on. If you do want the 100 CPI I'm sure Disco could sort you out with a fix Intake kit? Is that what I think it is, namely an induction kit. If so I assume you are doing it just for noise as they only give a max of 4 bhp. If you are going shopping, could you get some pizza and beer as well? Ta __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

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Fabpreza Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SE Posts: 1,520 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	... playing "Radio Chorley, Coming in Your Ears" on the stereo ? Or have I just been watching too much Peter Kay ?

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redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,559 Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	I assume 200 cpi but i dont really understand cats? still hankering after none at all - are we talking f.a bhp or loads. the graph on millteks website for the a3 is pretty bloody impressive? __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

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TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Looks about right to me __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

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redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,559 Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	so tavia, what power do you think i would have with the bits on the list? before chip tuning/ big turbo? __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

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TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Very rough guess: 210-215 bhp 310nm of torque __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

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redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,559 Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	thats cool and the gang! so with a remap.. maybe 250? and a big turbo and remap 300? "nothing can stop us now J.J." __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

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TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Big turbo, manifold,injectors - 350ish __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

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Quinten Crossdresser Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fast lane Posts: 10,031 Thanks: 24 Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts	Oh please, not again... __________________ Awooga!!!

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Disco@Impreziv Briskodian Join Date: May 2003 Location: Essex Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you're still hankering after no cats, we start developing a decat system tomorrow, and will have the CEL fixes within a fortnight. __________________ Naughty Scoob specialist, helping develop the thinking mans performance car!

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Dutch4x4 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: kicking up feet in the Formula Stealth paddock Posts: 3,153 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh, I wouldn't know, Des. A 230hp RS would have the same torque as a well-tuned 350hp RS, but the torque would come in much higher up the rev range - and remain up until 7000rpm. Having that torque at 7000rpm gives it the high hp number. Wheel torque will be about the same. (It's where Honda gets it huge power-per-litre from - reasonable torque delivered up until an amazing, and reliable, 9000rpm. Without a turbo.) It would turn into a different car, though. Getting the full load would mean revving it till no tomorrow. No diesel-like behaviour as in the standard RS! Low-range torque might even be a bit disappointing, and I'd expect any results to show themselves only above 80 mph. In other words, it would be a perfect Autobahnstormer. I only wonder what you would do handling-wise. Would you give it a locked front diff (and give it a bloody scary experience through corners) or would you sort the car through careful suspension set-up changes? For instance, is it possible to play with the camber on an RS? __________________ Mrs D's Briskoda: Octavia 4x4 turbo (2003), Oettinger 210, Koni Sport, MAD Sportive, Dotz Le Mans 17", Bridgestone Potenza S-03, sports interior. And a Fiesta ST (2006) for myself...

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steve Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London Posts: 1,020 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I would rather 350bhp through 4 wheels than 2 front ones. After experencing 280bhp in a 4x4 and 180 in the RS i cant see how you could get the power to the floor without 1 embarassing yourself 2 buying new tyres every other week. Or is it just that im a crap driver? 350BHP,Monster brakes and 4WD in a Skoda. Sounds good to me. Someone hurry up and do it . Steve Ive seen the light and it had 4x4 stamped on it Last edited by steve; 09-06-2003 at 22:52.

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Fabpreza Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SE Posts: 1,520 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	If and when finances allow (2004?) I can see that a Max Power version of my 4x4 estate is going to be very tempting. I wonder how much I'd be able to get away with before she'd notice ? I've already had "it's not that much slower than the Subaru - you're not going to chip it are you ?" (Already have :p ) I reckon that I'd just about get away with 280bhp if I used the torque and kept the revs down

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Dutch4x4 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: kicking up feet in the Formula Stealth paddock Posts: 3,153 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Des's split personality was probably thinking of a 4x4 hatch But it's not out of this world: here (in the fourth post) is a guy who actually wanted one... __________________ Mrs D's Briskoda: Octavia 4x4 turbo (2003), Oettinger 210, Koni Sport, MAD Sportive, Dotz Le Mans 17", Bridgestone Potenza S-03, sports interior. And a Fiesta ST (2006) for myself...

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llblake Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Addiscombe Surrey Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Paul, I would steer clear of the Miltek rear box, a number of us me included found that the rear box tended to move around a lot ch producing an annoying rattling sound at low speeds. In the end I replaced the rear box with a hand made one which sounds and looks a lot better IMHO. Lloyd

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