has the fabia hit its ceiling?

andypandypoos · 21-09-2008, 15:42

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Originally Posted by bengie

really? so you can keep up with that chaps K04'd cupra can you? or are you talking about steve's car with nothing but basic bolt on's like a 180bhp fabia will have?

and you think that hoofing it off the line with industrial clouds of smoke and loads of noise won't get you pulled?

only once have i been pulled by the bobbies in my octavia and thats down to the fact he could hear my exhaust as he was stood by the road

don't bother, having and expressing an opinion different to certain people will only lead to one outcome...

maybe the thread title was badly worded as it's the engine rather than the car you're on about

bengie · 21-09-2008, 16:22

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Originally Posted by Shifty

Loads of noise? I dont have a straight through pipe, it makes the same noise as a standard one

As for how much I do/do not get pulled in it, in the 3 years I have been driving it, I may have a better idea of that than you

, and I have actually only been pulled over once. Just as a matter of interest, I was pulled frequently in the Octavia.

Steve's car, Harry's car.... who cares. You have a preference for petrol cars, I have a preference for something a little different. I gave you my answer to your OP, and again you wish to be a little childish about it. I CBA being drawn into it.

i'm not the one who dragged this down to car Vs. car or person Vs. person yet i'm the childish one

and did i say i was talking about your car?

yes i have a preference for petrol cars when we are talking performance as IMO its the only choice for a true sporty car but i love diesels for town driving especially with a decent autobox as its so much more relaxing and easy.

Micky 32 · 21-09-2008, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Shifty

Exactly.

Yeah, I used to have a PD130 golf with a hybrid turbo which was great fun, very rapid. It used to raise eyebrows and drop jaws and not to mention it was quicker than my mates remapped 1.8T, it used to pee all over it

. Then there was the guy in the skyline that you should have seen his face when he saw the TDI badge. So in my opinion it was well worth spending the money on a FMIC and hybrid turbo in the 5 years of ownership i have had it.

For the record this isn't a biased post because i don't own a derv anymore. I now have a petrol turbo and it doesn't mean i think it's any better than my derv was

devonmikeyboy · 21-09-2008, 21:54

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Originally Posted by TeflonTom

if i'm reading that chart right it's over 350bhp right?? how reliable is it??

433 bhp @fly
352 bhp @wheels
580 lb torque

devonmikeyboy · 21-09-2008, 21:57

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Originally Posted by yegnold

To answer the original question - I'd agree that we're beginning to the see ceiling...The JCB diesel racer thing manages 150bhp per litre, so I'd be impressed if anyone with a 1.9TDI PD engine managed 300bhp (that would be 158.22bhp per litre)

I usually get 330-340 bhp from a 2.0 PD so thats more then 150 bhp per litre which was achived about two years ago now.

bengie · 21-09-2008, 22:13

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Originally Posted by Micky 32

Yeah, I used to have a PD130 golf with a hybrid turbo which was great fun, very rapid. It used to raise eyebrows and drop jaws and not to mention it was quicker than my mates remapped 1.8T, it used to pee all over it

. Then there was the guy in the skyline that you should have seen his face when he saw the TDI badge. So in my opinion it was well worth spending the money on a FMIC and hybrid turbo in the 5 years of ownership i have had it.

For the record this isn't a biased post because i don't own a derv anymore. I now have a petrol turbo and it doesn't mean i think it's any better than my derv was

so a car with both more power and torque and the same weight was quicker? shock horror

your compairing different levels of tune though, how do you think yours would have faired against a 1.8T running a simple gt28 setup(so about the same sort of mods)?

devonmikeyboy · 21-09-2008, 22:16

I am only speaking for myself here but i used to tune petrol cars for years but i got bored as there is no real challenge in it. Anyone who has the money can go out any buy a 1.8t 20v car and take it to plenty or engine tuners that could if you give them the money strip the engine and give it back to you a few days later running 500 bhp+ if you wanted as it`s all been done before many times by other companies with basically off the shelf tuning parts. I have spent a lot of money but i have also learned a lot while doing so plus i have a one of the kind car in the world which i can thrash around the place without it costing me a fortune in petrol. I have a friend with an Evo 8 thats spent more money then me and it`s now running about 550bhp and 550lb torque, yes it`s quicker then mine on a track but when we go for a drive on the road even he admits there is nothing between our cars apart from his probably in single digit figures mpg while i am still getting 30mpg+. Diesel tuning costs a lot more as most of the parts are special or low volume built and very few companies are willing to put the time and effort into really pushing a diesel engine as the publisity and protensional profit from doing so still isn`t there since probably 95%+ of people who tune their cars tune petrol cars and think diesel tuning is a waste of time. Each to there own i say.

devonmikeyboy · 21-09-2008, 22:19

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Originally Posted by bengie

your compairing different levels of tune though, how do you think yours would have faired against a 1.8T running a simple gt28 setup(so about the same sort of mods)?

If you want to talk about racing what about the Audi R10 and the other new diesel race cars pissing over everything else in the endurance races?

bengie · 21-09-2008, 22:41

if your saying that diesel is the choice for future performance cars as proved by LeMan then why are cars such as the veyron which is a super special very short run car petrol?

bengie · 21-09-2008, 22:47

so your trying to say a 330bhp/440lbft A3 quattro is just as quick as a 550bhp/550lbft evo when both are going for it?

TeflonTom · 21-09-2008, 23:13

i think basically wether it's petrol or diesel, it boils down to what you are satisfied with and how empty your wallet is, at the end of the day it's all just numbers, and no matter what you do there will ALWAYS be somebody who's faster

Micky 32 · 21-09-2008, 23:19

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Originally Posted by bengie

so a car with both more power and torque and the same weight was quicker? shock horror

your compairing different levels of tune though, how do you think yours would have faired against a 1.8T running a simple gt28 setup(so about the same sort of mods)?

You're missing the point IMO. Yeah a 1.8T with a gt28 would be faster ,like other petrol cars with mods would be faster than a 1.8T with a gt28 ie 2.0tfsi with a gt28

.

My PD 130 was doing 1000 miles a week so it made sense to me to mod it to 220bhp+, it would have cost me a fortune in a 1.8T remapped.

ultra_joel88 · 21-09-2008, 23:49

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Originally Posted by yegnold

I think one of the nice things about the tuned diesel cars is the "Is that a diesel?!" effect, anyway!

Thats it, at a recent rolling road day there were evo's and an astra gsi pulling well into 250bhp+ and noone batted an eyelid when a chap pulled up in his, smartly styled, but understated tuned fabia vrs and it pulled 235bhp cue the

"is that a derv?"

"**** me thats an oil burner"

bengie · 22-09-2008, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Micky 32

You're missing the point IMO. Yeah a 1.8T with a gt28 would be faster ,like other petrol cars with mods would be faster than a 1.8T with a gt28 ie 2.0tfsi with a gt28

.

My PD 130 was doing 1000 miles a week so it made sense to me to mod it to 220bhp+, it would have cost me a fortune in a 1.8T remapped.

i don't think either of us are missing any points but we are making different ones, i completely agree that long term costs of a high milage car a 220bhp diesel will be cheaper to run, you'd have to be mad to argue that but your talking performance of a PD130 with bigger turbo/fmic etc Vs a 1.8T and all i'm saying is do the same mods to the petrol and you get far more power

andypandypoos · 23-09-2008, 10:35

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Originally Posted by bengie

i don't think either of us are missing any points but we are making different ones, i completely agree that long term costs of a high milage car a 220bhp diesel will be cheaper to run, you'd have to be mad to argue that but your talking performance of a PD130 with bigger turbo/fmic etc Vs a 1.8T and all i'm saying is do the same mods to the petrol and you get far more power

why continue to argue when it's already been established that a TSFi Leon with a GT28 (surely the "fastest 2.0 Tfsi on this site") cant get away from the Derv on the road

I still reckon you worded the initial question badly - it should be something more like are we beginning to see the limits of PD130 tuning, which apart from the odd freakishly powerfull build here and there seems to be a fair assumption to make right now given the relatively small gains people seem to be seeing once they go past the more usual stg2 turbo+fmic+exhaust+map route

Micky 32 · 23-09-2008, 10:48

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Originally Posted by andypandypoos

why continue to argue when it's already been established that a TSFi Leon with a GT28 (surely the "fastest 2.0 Tfsi on this site") cant get away from the Derv on the road

If this is true Bengie needs to revise some of his posts on this thread

andypandypoos · 23-09-2008, 10:50

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Originally Posted by Micky 32

If this is true Bengie needs to revise some of his posts on this thread

yup...

jasc1988 · 23-09-2008, 10:51

cash vs. bhp id say a Hybrid Running 220bhp is the max i would go

Micky 32 · 23-09-2008, 10:58

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Originally Posted by jasc1988

cash vs. bhp id say a Hybrid Running 220bhp is the max i would go

I think i'm with you on this. Even though i now own a petrol turbo i would be less likely to put a bigger turbo on it like i did my derv. Obviously bang for buck the petrol has the advantage when it comes to mods but if you spend as much on a 1.8T as i did my old derv i don't think the 1.8T would be as near as reliable. I hear of lots of problems when you put a big turbo on a 1.8T.

ultra_joel88 · 23-09-2008, 11:02

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Originally Posted by jasc1988

cash vs. bhp id say a Hybrid Running 220bhp is the max i would go

agreed with you there.

and probably then I wouldnt bother unless the standard turbo went.

jasc1988 · 23-09-2008, 11:06

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Originally Posted by ultra_joel88

agreed with you there.

and probably then I wouldnt bother unless the standard turbo went.

Thats my plan too

Lol

I dont forsee any problems with the OE turbo though as long as i treat her right

ultra_joel88 · 23-09-2008, 11:17

Wap a boost gauge into keep an eye

devonmikeyboy · 23-09-2008, 13:42

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Originally Posted by ultra_joel88

and probably then I wouldnt bother unless the standard turbo went.

Little hint. Disconnect the oil feed pipe to the turbo then you will soon need a hybrid...

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devonmikeyboy Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: southwest Posts: 115 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: has the fabia hit its ceiling? I am only speaking for myself here but i used to tune petrol cars for years but i got bored as there is no real challenge in it. Anyone who has the money can go out any buy a 1.8t 20v car and take it to plenty or engine tuners that could if you give them the money strip the engine and give it back to you a few days later running 500 bhp+ if you wanted as it`s all been done before many times by other companies with basically off the shelf tuning parts. I have spent a lot of money but i have also learned a lot while doing so plus i have a one of the kind car in the world which i can thrash around the place without it costing me a fortune in petrol. I have a friend with an Evo 8 thats spent more money then me and it`s now running about 550bhp and 550lb torque, yes it`s quicker then mine on a track but when we go for a drive on the road even he admits there is nothing between our cars apart from his probably in single digit figures mpg while i am still getting 30mpg+. Diesel tuning costs a lot more as most of the parts are special or low volume built and very few companies are willing to put the time and effort into really pushing a diesel engine as the publisity and protensional profit from doing so still isn`t there since probably 95%+ of people who tune their cars tune petrol cars and think diesel tuning is a waste of time. Each to there own i say. __________________ 06 Audi 2.0 PD140 Sport TDI Quattro S-LINE.Diesel,propane,NOS,hybrid turbo etc...... 330 bhp @ flywheels 263 bhp @ wheel 440 lb torque. . Car and dyno pictures etc here Magazine write up here

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bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,219 Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: has the fabia hit its ceiling? if your saying that diesel is the choice for future performance cars as proved by LeMan then why are cars such as the veyron which is a super special very short run car petrol? __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

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bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,219 Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: has the fabia hit its ceiling? so your trying to say a 330bhp/440lbft A3 quattro is just as quick as a 550bhp/550lbft evo when both are going for it? __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

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