How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ?

G-slave · 01-10-2008, 13:57

Hi

Can somebody technical put my mind at ease?

Consider List of Volkswagen Group petrol engines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
where you should find the section labelled
1.8 20VT 110-176kW

In this, you should see the line referring to the AUG engine which was used in Octavia MK1 (e.g. 132 kW (180 PS) @ 5,500 rpm and 235 N·m (173 lbf·ft) @ 1,950-5,000 rpm, available on the VW Golf GTI, Bora/Jetta, New Beetle, Audi A3, A4 and TT, Škoda Octavia RS and SEAT León and Toledo. Engine codes: AWP AUQ)

The next chapter talks about remapping (ah, at last...) and indicate 165 kW can be achieved, OEM
(e.g.165 kW (225 PS) at 5900 rpm, 280 N·m (207 ft·lbf) between 2200 and 5500 rpm; used in the Audi TT and SEAT León Cupra R. This version is built in Győr.)
Q1. Does the AUQ need other internal components to achieve this. Was my AUQ engine built in Győr?
Q2. Do think it is realistic to search for a after-market map for an Octavia MK1 to achieve this?
Q3. well... is it safe for the engine... the usual debate

Quinten · 01-10-2008, 14:07

AUQ engine is good for 340bhp without changing internals... trust me, I had one

A simple remap will get 225bhp out of it without breaking a sweat and is perfectly reliable.

chicken_eyebrow · 01-10-2008, 14:16

The AUQ is limited by the K03s turbo, which runs out of steam at about 230-240bhp, this power is achievable with a remap, FMIC and intake and exhaust mods.

The 225bhp figures they quote on Wikipedia are from the BAM engine which is in the Audi TT, S3, and Leon Cupra R and has the K04 turbo as well as bigger injectors, intake pipework and other bits.

If you were to remap a K04 equipped 1.8 20vT engine you would probably see about 260-270 bhp (thats based on the quoted remap figures on an Audi S3 by Jabbasport)

IIRC the standard internals on an AUQ could potentially go up to about 300bhp, Des (Delcac) is the man to ask on this one as I believe he has a set of pistons / conrods that gave up the ghost when he got up to the really high levels of power.

G-slave · 01-10-2008, 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinten

AUQ engine is good for 340bhp without changing internals... trust me, I had one

A simple remap will get 225bhp out of it without breaking a sweat and is perfectly reliable.

340PS? You'd be bending a piston...(not gay slang)

G-slave · 01-10-2008, 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicken_eyebrow

The AUQ is limited by the K03s turbo, which runs out of steam at about 230-240bhp, this power is achievable with a remap, FMIC and intake and exhaust mods.

The 225bhp figures they quote on Wikipedia are from the BAM engine which is in the Audi TT, S3, and Leon Cupra R and has the K04 turbo as well as bigger injectors, intake pipework and other bits.

If you were to remap a K04 equipped 1.8 20vT engine you would probably see about 260-270 bhp (thats based on the quoted remap figures on an Audi S3 by Jabbasport)

IIRC the standard internals on an AUQ could potentially go up to about 300bhp, Des (Delcac) is the man to ask on this one as I believe he has a set of pistons / conrods that gave up the ghost when he got up to the really high levels of power.

So say AUQ with a K03s and a good map: should achieve 220 bhp then?

Micky 32 · 01-10-2008, 18:31

On a reliable RR i have only seen them get 210-215bhp with just a remapp and no other mods.

bengie · 01-10-2008, 18:37

these claims of 240 are pub talk

i ended up with around 200-210 from a 150 1.8t (ARX) with fmic, remap, downpipe, exhaust, bigger tip, cai etc etc. in future i wouldn't bother i would just slap a bigger turbo on it and do whats needed for that

**delcac** · 01-10-2008, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by bengie

these claims of 240 are pub talk

i ended up with around 200-210 from a 150 1.8t (ARX) with fmic, remap, downpipe, exhaust, bigger tip, cai etc etc. in future i wouldn't bother i would just slap a bigger turbo on it and do whats needed for that

What like a fmic, remap, downpipe, exhaust, bigger tip, cai.......breath in......new manifold, oil and water lines, bigger maf housing, reworked boost pipe, more expensive remap, LAG, etc.

Micky 32 · 01-10-2008, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by delcac

What like a fmic, remap, downpipe, exhaust, bigger tip, cai.......breath in......new manifold, oil and water lines, bigger maf housing, reworked boost pipe, more expensive remap, LAG, etc.

Do these not work on a 1.8T? The 2.0T seems to respond ok with bolt ons

**delcac** · 01-10-2008, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micky 32

Do these not work on a 1.8T? The 2.0T seems to respond ok with bolt ons

Do what not work on a 1.8T.

Micky 32 · 01-10-2008, 19:00

What Bengie done to his car, exhaust FMIC etc and still only got 200-210bhp

**delcac** · 01-10-2008, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micky 32

What Bengie done to his car, exhaust FMIC etc and still only got 200-210bhp

His car is a 1.8T, so obviously it did work. The standard 4x4 puts out 150bhp.

Micky 32 · 01-10-2008, 19:07

True, but i thought you can get 200-210bhp with just a remapp the same as the AUQ engine provided it had the ko3s turbo?

**delcac** · 01-10-2008, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micky 32

True, but i thought you can get 200-210bhp with just a remapp the same as the AUQ engine provided it had the ko3s turbo?

That's right but Bengie has got a ARX engine. Besides, 60bhp is not to be sniffed at.

chicken_eyebrow · 02-10-2008, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by bengie

these claims of 240 are pub talk

i ended up with around 200-210 from a 150 1.8t (ARX) with fmic, remap, downpipe, exhaust, bigger tip, cai etc etc. in future i wouldn't bother i would just slap a bigger turbo on it and do whats needed for that

240 is possible from an AUQ engine which is what the OP has. Just needs the same mods you did to your ARX engine plus a good custom remap.

martziniuk · 02-10-2008, 12:50

many on here believe the 4x4 has the same internals as the vrs but with different software. I have yet to see a 4x4 match a vrs with a remap and like for like mods. Why is this?

Micky 32 · 02-10-2008, 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by martziniuk

many on here believe the 4x4 has the same internals as the vrs but with different software. I have yet to see a 4x4 match a vrs with a remap and like for like mods. Why is this?

The 4X4 will have more transmission losses and will be a heavier car also.

martziniuk · 02-10-2008, 12:59

should nt effect flywheel power though should it?

Micky 32 · 02-10-2008, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by martziniuk

should nt effect flywheel power though should it?

Sorry thought you meant on the road performance. I didn't realise flywheel figures were different.

fatty5000 · 02-10-2008, 13:11

I think the 4x4 ARX has a different head doesn't it.....Maybe .....lol

Which may account for less power (pure speculation here of course)

Micky 32 · 02-10-2008, 13:28

Maybe the ARX uses the k03 turbo and not the k03s?

martziniuk · 02-10-2008, 15:05

is it the vrs has variable valve timing and the 4x4 doesn't?

fatty5000 · 02-10-2008, 15:07

Yes but only on cold start iirc. I think Bodge knows moreabout this

musky · 02-10-2008, 16:39

I thought the engines were the same it was just the map thats different, its the TTs that have different turbo's manifold etc

Lummox · 02-10-2008, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by martziniuk

is it the vrs has variable valve timing and the 4x4 doesn't?

The ARX has both K03S turbo and VVT.

01-10-2008, 13:57	#1
G-slave Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kent Posts: 311 Thanks: 22 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? Hi Can somebody technical put my mind at ease? Consider List of Volkswagen Group petrol engines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia where you should find the section labelled 1.8 20VT 110-176kW In this, you should see the line referring to the AUG engine which was used in Octavia MK1 (e.g. 132 kW (180 PS) @ 5,500 rpm and 235 N·m (173 lbf·ft) @ 1,950-5,000 rpm, available on the VW Golf GTI, Bora/Jetta, New Beetle, Audi A3, A4 and TT, Škoda Octavia RS and SEAT León and Toledo. Engine codes: AWP AUQ) The next chapter talks about remapping (ah, at last...) and indicate 165 kW can be achieved, OEM (e.g.165 kW (225 PS) at 5900 rpm, 280 N·m (207 ft·lbf) between 2200 and 5500 rpm; used in the Audi TT and SEAT León Cupra R. This version is built in Győr.) Q1. Does the AUQ need other internal components to achieve this. Was my AUQ engine built in Győr? Q2. Do think it is realistic to search for a after-market map for an Octavia MK1 to achieve this? Q3. well... is it safe for the engine... the usual debate

01-10-2008, 14:07	#2
Quinten Crossdresser Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fast lane Posts: 10,031 Thanks: 24 Thanked 41 Times in 38 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? AUQ engine is good for 340bhp without changing internals... trust me, I had one A simple remap will get 225bhp out of it without breaking a sweat and is perfectly reliable. __________________ Awooga!!!

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chicken_eyebrow Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sevenoaks, Kent Posts: 340 Thanks: 15 Thanked 29 Times in 22 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? The AUQ is limited by the K03s turbo, which runs out of steam at about 230-240bhp, this power is achievable with a remap, FMIC and intake and exhaust mods. The 225bhp figures they quote on Wikipedia are from the BAM engine which is in the Audi TT, S3, and Leon Cupra R and has the K04 turbo as well as bigger injectors, intake pipework and other bits. If you were to remap a K04 equipped 1.8 20vT engine you would probably see about 260-270 bhp (thats based on the quoted remap figures on an Audi S3 by Jabbasport) IIRC the standard internals on an AUQ could potentially go up to about 300bhp, Des (Delcac) is the man to ask on this one as I believe he has a set of pistons / conrods that gave up the ghost when he got up to the really high levels of power. __________________ Diamond Silver 52 Octavia VRS - AquaPel / Phillips X-treme bulbs / CG-Lock / Bluevision sidelights / TomTom Go 720 / VRS door sills / Audi TT arch mod / 188bhp yadda yadda yadda Last edited by chicken_eyebrow; 01-10-2008 at 15:27.

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Micky 32 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longford, Ireland Posts: 438 Thanks: 9 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? On a reliable RR i have only seen them get 210-215bhp with just a remapp and no other mods. __________________ 2008 Race blue 2.0 TFSI vRS, xenons, jumbo box, dual zone, rear electric windows, maxidot, rain sensing wipers and dimming mirror, light assist, rear parking sensors, cruise control, ESP and anti wet ars!e feature....Mods: Chipped Ireland development mapping and Milltek turbo back exhaust, Autotech fuel pump, Evom's, Nuespeed intercooler hose, Forge Twintercooler and 274bhp and 330lbft

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bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,219 Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? these claims of 240 are pub talk i ended up with around 200-210 from a 150 1.8t (ARX) with fmic, remap, downpipe, exhaust, bigger tip, cai etc etc. in future i wouldn't bother i would just slap a bigger turbo on it and do whats needed for that __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

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Micky 32 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longford, Ireland Posts: 438 Thanks: 9 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? What Bengie done to his car, exhaust FMIC etc and still only got 200-210bhp __________________ 2008 Race blue 2.0 TFSI vRS, xenons, jumbo box, dual zone, rear electric windows, maxidot, rain sensing wipers and dimming mirror, light assist, rear parking sensors, cruise control, ESP and anti wet ars!e feature....Mods: Chipped Ireland development mapping and Milltek turbo back exhaust, Autotech fuel pump, Evom's, Nuespeed intercooler hose, Forge Twintercooler and 274bhp and 330lbft

01-10-2008, 19:07	#13
Micky 32 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longford, Ireland Posts: 438 Thanks: 9 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? True, but i thought you can get 200-210bhp with just a remapp the same as the AUQ engine provided it had the ko3s turbo? __________________ 2008 Race blue 2.0 TFSI vRS, xenons, jumbo box, dual zone, rear electric windows, maxidot, rain sensing wipers and dimming mirror, light assist, rear parking sensors, cruise control, ESP and anti wet ars!e feature....Mods: Chipped Ireland development mapping and Milltek turbo back exhaust, Autotech fuel pump, Evom's, Nuespeed intercooler hose, Forge Twintercooler and 274bhp and 330lbft

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martziniuk Need more power Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Driffield, Good old yorkshire Posts: 1,946 Thanks: 54 Thanked 160 Times in 155 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? many on here believe the 4x4 has the same internals as the vrs but with different software. I have yet to see a 4x4 match a vrs with a remap and like for like mods. Why is this? __________________ Regards Martin Turbo back blueflame exhaust ,Forge 007p Dump valve,Prosport boost gauge, Autobahn88 TIP, Ecu Evolution Remap, FMIC

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martziniuk Need more power Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Driffield, Good old yorkshire Posts: 1,946 Thanks: 54 Thanked 160 Times in 155 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? should nt effect flywheel power though should it? __________________ Regards Martin Turbo back blueflame exhaust ,Forge 007p Dump valve,Prosport boost gauge, Autobahn88 TIP, Ecu Evolution Remap, FMIC

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fatty5000 Why So Serious Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: "What" ...What ain't no god damn country Posts: 5,530 Thanks: 271 Thanked 199 Times in 180 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? I think the 4x4 ARX has a different head doesn't it.....Maybe .....lol Which may account for less power (pure speculation here of course) __________________

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Micky 32 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longford, Ireland Posts: 438 Thanks: 9 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? Maybe the ARX uses the k03 turbo and not the k03s? __________________ 2008 Race blue 2.0 TFSI vRS, xenons, jumbo box, dual zone, rear electric windows, maxidot, rain sensing wipers and dimming mirror, light assist, rear parking sensors, cruise control, ESP and anti wet ars!e feature....Mods: Chipped Ireland development mapping and Milltek turbo back exhaust, Autotech fuel pump, Evom's, Nuespeed intercooler hose, Forge Twintercooler and 274bhp and 330lbft

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martziniuk Need more power Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Driffield, Good old yorkshire Posts: 1,946 Thanks: 54 Thanked 160 Times in 155 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? is it the vrs has variable valve timing and the 4x4 doesn't? __________________ Regards Martin Turbo back blueflame exhaust ,Forge 007p Dump valve,Prosport boost gauge, Autobahn88 TIP, Ecu Evolution Remap, FMIC

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musky Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 540 Thanks: 10 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Re: How to determine the maximum safe power output for an AUQ? I thought the engines were the same it was just the map thats different, its the TTs that have different turbo's manifold etc