How hard could it possibly be

skodayouth · 07-07-2008, 15:10

Mini Cooper Supercharger Eaton M45 on eBay, also, BMW, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 07-Jul-08 22:28:06 BST)

Mounting Bracket, Custom made drive belt and a remap?

I know the gearbox should be tough enough to handle it, and they got 125BHP out of the 1.6 engine in the Lupo GTI so I think we're all okay on mechanicals

Can anyone see where I'm going with this, apparantley it's popular to retrofit because it has a self contained lubrication system. There's lots of these going sometimes on ebay as they are popular to upgrade for a Works Supercharger

Any thoughts on how much time and money this could be?

cheezemonkhai · 07-07-2008, 16:41

What on a fabia II?

Well first obvious question is where are you going to drive it from?

If you really really wanted the power you could swap the A/C system for a blower.

Lofty86 · 07-07-2008, 21:53

Ive thought about this too. But a Mini cooper one wouldnt give enough ooomph. Would be best to get one off a 2.5L merc.
If your thinking about taking this further, let me know. Would love to help if i can in anyway.
Dave

Shifty · 07-07-2008, 21:55

Lead me to ask a probably super stupid question..... can I add a supercharger to my tdi?

4x4t · 07-07-2008, 22:12

Seen one fitted to a polo g40 as a replacement/uprated.Watched it hit 174bhp on the rollers.

skodayouth · 11-07-2008, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lofty86

Ive thought about this too. But a Mini cooper one wouldnt give enough ooomph. Would be best to get one off a 2.5L merc.
If your thinking about taking this further, let me know. Would love to help if i can in anyway.
Dave

Yes, I am quite interested in taking it further because I think it will be alot easier than turbocharging, I.e no new exhaust manifold e.t.c. I would like to keep the A/C unit, but I assume this was suggested as it sits on the auxillary drive belt (where I want it driven from)?

Not to mention the great noise a supercharger makes, as whiny as possible is how I like it

As for taking the one off of a Merc, there are a bit too big for mounting in the engine bay, and im not looking for too much of a power increase. I think the combination of the supercharger and the automatic gearbox will create a smooth drive that won't stress the engine too much. Also I think that the Merc superchargers will cause too much initial power loss/drag

In terms of a power increase Im looking at around 130BHP to keep up with a Fabia vRS.

I think the car will be safe with that sort of amount of power, it already has uprated brakes and I think the chassis is good for a bit more poke yet

Tom_vRS · 11-07-2008, 21:13

Hmmm, supercharger on a diesel - wonder why we've not seen it before

Babs · 11-07-2008, 21:17

I was actually looking at this earlier lol

Lummox · 11-07-2008, 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

Hmmm, supercharger on a diesel - wonder why we've not seen it before

I have, not on a Skoda though.

Mazda 626 had a 2.0 diesel engine with a 'Comprex' charger.

Decron · 11-07-2008, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

I have, not on a Skoda though.

Mazda 626 had a 2.0 diesel engine with a 'Comprex' charger.

Yup. They turned one of the most bulletproof cars ever built into a flake.

cheezemonkhai · 14-07-2008, 00:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by skodayouth

Yes, I am quite interested in taking it further because I think it will be alot easier than turbocharging, I.e no new exhaust manifold e.t.c. I would like to keep the A/C unit, but I assume this was suggested as it sits on the auxillary drive belt (where I want it driven from)?

Not to mention the great noise a supercharger makes, as whiny as possible is how I like it

As for taking the one off of a Merc, there are a bit too big for mounting in the engine bay, and im not looking for too much of a power increase. I think the combination of the supercharger and the automatic gearbox will create a smooth drive that won't stress the engine too much. Also I think that the Merc superchargers will cause too much initial power loss/drag

In terms of a power increase Im looking at around 130BHP to keep up with a Fabia vRS.

I think the car will be safe with that sort of amount of power, it already has uprated brakes and I think the chassis is good for a bit more poke yet

Yes the A/C comment was in relation to a drive point. Otherwise it's custom brackets and aux belts which are I guess an option.

TeflonTom · 14-07-2008, 01:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shifty

Lead me to ask a probably super stupid question..... can I add a supercharger to my tdi?

a roots type supercharger as found on the mini cooper wont be able to make enough boost to kep you dieselheads happy, it will however make upto about 12psi all day long with virtually zero lag....

it can be fitted to the small 1.4 and 1.6 16v engines surprisngly easily with a few custom brackets but the engine internals wont be able to cope with the extra heat stresses

the most important thing with any supercharger conversion is getting the belt drive spot on, any missalignment will throw the belt off... the belt drive needs to be reliable and very well tensioned because it takes about 40hp to turn the supercharger over at full whack

TeflonTom · 14-07-2008, 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lofty86

Ive thought about this too. But a Mini cooper one wouldnt give enough ooomph.
Dave

M45 displaces 750cc per revolution, with the standard 55mm supercharger pulley and the standard 130mm crank pulley it will give about 10psi of boost on a 1600cc engine

skodayouth · 14-07-2008, 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeflonTom

a roots type supercharger as found on the mini cooper wont be able to make enough boost to kep you dieselheads happy, it will however make upto about 12psi all day long with virtually zero lag....

it can be fitted to the small 1.4 and 1.6 16v engines surprisngly easily with a few custom brackets but the engine internals wont be able to cope with the extra heat stresses

the most important thing with any supercharger conversion is getting the belt drive spot on, any missalignment will throw the belt off... the belt drive needs to be reliable and very well tensioned because it takes about 40hp to turn the supercharger over at full whack

I gathered that It was important to get the belt right, do you think that the 1.6 in the Fabia won't cope with the extra heat? I think its a very tried and tested engine, I beleive it's the same one from the MKIV Golf/Bora but then I don't know if anyone's whacked a supercharger on one

If it's really going to wreck the engine I won't do it because it's a very good car as it is, but until Skoda pull their finger out on a new vRS there isn't an awful lot of power on offer

Nice to hear that It can be suprisingly easy, but it's just the case of if I should

TeflonTom · 14-07-2008, 11:52

i've seen it done on the 1400cc version which is basically the same thing.... the conrods won't be able to cope... end of

niceyellow vrs · 14-07-2008, 20:24

You could try one of these bolt on jobbies kicking around on ebay at the mo

POWERED INDUCTION KIT SKODA FABIA OCTAVIA VRS on eBay, also, Performance Tuning Parts, Car Tuning Styling, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 15-Jul-08 13:38:15 BST)

Proberbly a good way to wreck the engine though!

bengie · 14-07-2008, 21:26

please don't ever suggest one of those, for anything, ever, again.

niceyellow vrs · 14-07-2008, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by bengie

please don't ever suggest one of those, for anything, ever, again.

But it could add soooooo much power!

I wander if anyone has ever actually been stupid enough to buy one?

bengie · 14-07-2008, 22:15

yes, loads of chavs have.

NEXT!!!!

Lofty86 · 22-07-2008, 20:17

Trouble is, superchargers need rebuilding more than a turbo.
Get a supercharger off a V6 petrol, and get a smaller pully, and that should do.

I think a supercharger will help with the traction too.

Also, remember, a S/C 'd petrol will have a higher rpm, an rpm your vRS lump wont ever get to... This means you will need an even smaller pully than a petrol to get good boost. (due to the lack of engine speed spinning the S/C).
HTH. Dave

07-07-2008, 15:10	#1
skodayouth Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 750 Thanks: 8 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	How hard could it possibly be Mini Cooper Supercharger Eaton M45 on eBay, also, BMW, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 07-Jul-08 22:28:06 BST) Mounting Bracket, Custom made drive belt and a remap? I know the gearbox should be tough enough to handle it, and they got 125BHP out of the 1.6 engine in the Lupo GTI so I think we're all okay on mechanicals Can anyone see where I'm going with this, apparantley it's popular to retrofit because it has a self contained lubrication system. There's lots of these going sometimes on ebay as they are popular to upgrade for a Works Supercharger Any thoughts on how much time and money this could be? __________________ Skoda Fabia 3 1.6 Tiptronic Storm Blue

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cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 13,769 Thanks: 77 Thanked 341 Times in 315 Posts	Re: How hard could it possibly be What on a fabia II? Well first obvious question is where are you going to drive it from? If you really really wanted the power you could swap the A/C system for a blower. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

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Lofty86 Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chippenham Posts: 419 Thanks: 22 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts	Re: How hard could it possibly be Ive thought about this too. But a Mini cooper one wouldnt give enough ooomph. Would be best to get one off a 2.5L merc. If your thinking about taking this further, let me know. Would love to help if i can in anyway. Dave __________________ '53 Fabia vRS. PD160 intake, Green Cotton Filter, Pikey Intercooler Mod, 312mm Brakes. Debaged Rear End. Fixed The Rear Door Leak! Ready to fit: 19Row Fuel Cooler, Braided Fuel Line, NACA Duct, Wheelarch Pikey Mod. To Buy: FSD's, Pro1.2's, FMIC, LSD, Devils Own Water/Meth Injection, Clucth, SM Flywheel, Hybrid Turbo + Remap. ££££

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niceyellow vrs Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oxford Posts: 126 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: How hard could it possibly be You could try one of these bolt on jobbies kicking around on ebay at the mo POWERED INDUCTION KIT SKODA FABIA OCTAVIA VRS on eBay, also, Performance Tuning Parts, Car Tuning Styling, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 15-Jul-08 13:38:15 BST) Proberbly a good way to wreck the engine though! __________________ Please give generously to the Octavia tuning fund, it's a very worthy cause

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Lofty86 Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chippenham Posts: 419 Thanks: 22 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts	Re: How hard could it possibly be Trouble is, superchargers need rebuilding more than a turbo. Get a supercharger off a V6 petrol, and get a smaller pully, and that should do. I think a supercharger will help with the traction too. Also, remember, a S/C 'd petrol will have a higher rpm, an rpm your vRS lump wont ever get to... This means you will need an even smaller pully than a petrol to get good boost. (due to the lack of engine speed spinning the S/C). HTH. Dave __________________ '53 Fabia vRS. PD160 intake, Green Cotton Filter, Pikey Intercooler Mod, 312mm Brakes. Debaged Rear End. Fixed The Rear Door Leak! Ready to fit: 19Row Fuel Cooler, Braided Fuel Line, NACA Duct, Wheelarch Pikey Mod. To Buy: FSD's, Pro1.2's, FMIC, LSD, Devils Own Water/Meth Injection, Clucth, SM Flywheel, Hybrid Turbo + Remap. ££££

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