Hybrid Turbo

birky · 01-11-2006, 22:46

Hi
Im thinking of putting a hybrid turbo in my Fabia Vrs. Does anyone have any recomendations? Did it make a difference to the performance? Any Help is Appreciated.
Thanks

primey · 01-11-2006, 22:52

There are a couple of folks on here who have had Hybrid/Bigger Turbo upgrades, but its not just a matter of whacking on a Turbo. Other things to consider includeuprated clutch and gear box, plus a remap to handle the altered Turbo. All money TBH

I'm sure one of the main techies will be along soon to fill you in in more depth.

Which vRS BTW? Octy or Furby?

**tfboy** · 01-11-2006, 23:26

I have a hybrid turbo, but as Paul says, if you want to get the most out of it, you'll definately need a new clutch and possibly a FMIC for when it gets warm.

Of course, you'll also need a re-(re)map.

Once you add all the bits in, and labour, it's probably the wrong side of £2000 unless you buy the parts and then fit everything yourself / friends' help

Edit: I cheated

Well, bought the car with the hybrid already on there. Added the clutch and FMIC, but still need to get the re-remap sorted out

faboka vrs · 02-11-2006, 00:52

check out allard and turbo dynamics for turbo's.

vindaloo · 06-11-2006, 12:07

did anyone mention injectors? 'Cos I reckon they'd be needed too unless you like smoke screens.

ItsOnlyMe_vRS · 06-11-2006, 12:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by vindaloo

did anyone mention injectors? 'Cos I reckon they'd be needed too unless you like smoke screens.

No, mine dont smoke that much. Didnt bother with the intercooler neither. Thought i'd see how it coped in the summer and all was well.

devonutopia · 06-11-2006, 13:10

Definitely worth upgrading the clutch if pipping 200bhp.

Front mount is an option, but it will be heatsoak city come the summer, and maybe even at cooler times of year.

Injectors on the pd130 do not appear to be necessary. I've seen reports of people running 245+ on standard injectors with a hybrid turbo (big bugger

) so its fairly clear that the oem injectors are pretty good and not worth spending £800+ on i.m.o.

I'm waiting on camshaft developments now, which is likely to be the only "internal" engine mod I do, and its quite an easy one at that (compared to pistons, etc)

faboka vrs · 06-11-2006, 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by vindaloo

did anyone mention injectors? 'Cos I reckon they'd be needed too unless you like smoke screens.

Think you need more than a hybrid VNT17 to max the injectors. A VNT20 should do it

Snoopie · 06-11-2006, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonutopia

Definitely worth upgrading the clutch if pipping 200bhp.

Front mount is an option, but it will be heatsoak city come the summer, and maybe even at cooler times of year.

Injectors on the pd130 do not appear to be necessary. I've seen reports of people running 245+ on standard injectors with a hybrid turbo (big bugger

) so its fairly clear that the oem injectors are pretty good and not worth spending £800+ on i.m.o.

I'm waiting on camshaft developments now, which is likely to be the only "internal" engine mod I do, and its quite an easy one at that (compared to pistons, etc)

From reading Allards website. It sounds like you can get away with the turbo your running and just an uprated clutch plate. Am i reading that correctly?

WW_VRS · 06-11-2006, 21:48

Bigger injectors will help with the EGT side of things, but they're well expensive.

I've got a hybrid turbo + FMIC and it seems to be a good combo, in that the hybrid is able to deliver more volume of air as well as keep boost at nice levels whilst in the 'safe' area of use.

Thing is, if you go down this road things DO get pretty expensive pretty quickly. I've got an LSD & uprated clutch & pressure plate to help put the power down, there are a fair few things left to play with though

Good value for money are the evry mod (not ideal but reasonable), a decent remap that doesn't overdo it. Beyond that it depends on how much reliability and performance you want/need from your car. If you are prepared to use your gearbox you can probably keep your standard clutch alive for a fair bit

Basil · 07-11-2006, 06:37

check out phase 4 on ATMR Racing Team

drool, drool........

Cheers
Bas

WW_VRS · 07-11-2006, 07:38

Sounds rather nice that one

Stuart_J · 07-11-2006, 08:11

I had a ride in Lukes VRS at Jabba on Saturday thats had a hybrid added, front mount & one of Jabbas legendary remaps. Ill admit to being somewhat Impressed at just how good it was & how well it could pull in high gears from low revs. Certainly opened my eyes to what can be achieved by people who know what they are doing

ItsOnlyMe_vRS · 08-11-2006, 08:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basil

check out phase 4 on ATMR Racing Team

drool, drool........

Cheers
Bas

looks nice, but a lot of money.......... only pulling 360 lb.ft, bhp is impresive though.

I got a hybrid KKK, blueflame, clutch and remap and get 380 lb.ft for about 1.5k less.

Still, looks nice

faboka vrs · 08-11-2006, 09:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsOnlyMe_vRS

I got a hybrid KKK, blueflame, clutch and remap and get 380 lb.ft for about 1.5k less.

Hybrid KKK. Whats one of these then? The hybrids from the likes of turbo dynamics & Allard are made stronger to handle more boost then next stage is to have a larger compressor from a VNT20.

Stuart_J · 08-11-2006, 13:23

Lukes VRS at Jabba is making 227 bhp & 375 lbft torque, its also still kicking out 190 when it hits the limiter

note its still on std injectors

Cars spec as follows

Red Fabia V/rs, full Milltek exhaust, decatted blueflame downpipe, jabba FMIC, Jabba Remap, Jabba ARB, Jabbasport stage 2 hybrid turbo, green filter, 160pd intake pipe, kw v2 coilovers, 312mm disks, team dynamics 1.2 wheels in black, tinted pimp windows, B&M quick shifter, black leather seats and doorcards, Leon cupra R splitter 227 bhp 375lbft and still growing

ItsOnlyMe_vRS · 08-11-2006, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by faboka vrs

Hybrid KKK. Whats one of these then? The hybrids from the likes of turbo dynamics & Allard are made stronger to handle more boost then next stage is to have a larger compressor from a VNT20.

The turbo i had on the car from factory was a KKK, this was found out when Jabba sent the turbo away for exchange to a hybrid. Unfortunalty for me, none or the Garat turbos fitted so they prototyped my turbo and made a Hybrid KKK.

I take it that the Larger compresser from VNT20 is a stage 2 Hybrid Turbo?

faboka vrs · 11-11-2006, 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsOnlyMe_vRS

I take it that the Larger compresser from VNT20 is a stage 2 Hybrid Turbo?

Thats for a turbodynamics one yes. Also Allards VT2 uses a VNt20 compressor.

01-11-2006, 22:46	#1
birky Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hybrid Turbo Hi Im thinking of putting a hybrid turbo in my Fabia Vrs. Does anyone have any recomendations? Did it make a difference to the performance? Any Help is Appreciated. Thanks Last edited by birky; 01-11-2006 at 22:51.

01-11-2006, 22:52	#2
primey Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 846 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Hybrid Turbo There are a couple of folks on here who have had Hybrid/Bigger Turbo upgrades, but its not just a matter of whacking on a Turbo. Other things to consider includeuprated clutch and gear box, plus a remap to handle the altered Turbo. All money TBH I'm sure one of the main techies will be along soon to fill you in in more depth. Which vRS BTW? Octy or Furby? __________________ Paul My Car - Nightfire Blue Superb - 2.5 V6 TDi - Dark Leather Interior - Xenons - Serious Pimp Tints - Sat Nav - Detchable Towbar - Green Cotton Panel Filter - MINTEX Xtreme Performance Brake Pads - Chrome Wing Mirrors - 18" New RS4 Rims - Neuspeed Lower Rear ARB - Pipewerx Custom Stainless Exhaust with 200cel Cat - Custom Code PHASE II Remap - Huge Smile - Can my bank account keep up? ...

01-11-2006, 23:26	#3
tfboy C+ à Paris! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tilehurst, Berkshire Posts: 6,125 Thanks: 12 Thanked 45 Times in 39 Posts	Re: Hybrid Turbo I have a hybrid turbo, but as Paul says, if you want to get the most out of it, you'll definately need a new clutch and possibly a FMIC for when it gets warm. Of course, you'll also need a re-(re)map. Once you add all the bits in, and labour, it's probably the wrong side of £2000 unless you buy the parts and then fit everything yourself / friends' help Edit: I cheated Well, bought the car with the hybrid already on there. Added the clutch and FMIC, but still need to get the re-remap sorted out __________________ Xavier

02-11-2006, 00:52	#4
faboka vrs Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Merseyside Posts: 5,906 Thanks: 11 Thanked 32 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Hybrid Turbo check out allard and turbo dynamics for turbo's. __________________ John Its small, black, gets laughed at, makes 125bhp at the wrong wheels, does 50mpg and makes a cracking Sponge Cake

06-11-2006, 12:07	#5
vindaloo Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Bucks Posts: 1,127 Thanks: 15 Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Hybrid Turbo did anyone mention injectors? 'Cos I reckon they'd be needed too unless you like smoke screens. __________________ Slowly turning the planet sooty.

06-11-2006, 13:10	#7
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ooo-ar, Oi be from Devonshire Posts: 29,053 Thanks: 60 Thanked 272 Times in 222 Posts	Re: Hybrid Turbo Definitely worth upgrading the clutch if pipping 200bhp. Front mount is an option, but it will be heatsoak city come the summer, and maybe even at cooler times of year. Injectors on the pd130 do not appear to be necessary. I've seen reports of people running 245+ on standard injectors with a hybrid turbo (big bugger ) so its fairly clear that the oem injectors are pretty good and not worth spending £800+ on i.m.o. I'm waiting on camshaft developments now, which is likely to be the only "internal" engine mod I do, and its quite an easy one at that (compared to pistons, etc) __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

06-11-2006, 21:48	#10
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,684 Thanks: 43 Thanked 67 Times in 58 Posts	Re: Hybrid Turbo Bigger injectors will help with the EGT side of things, but they're well expensive. I've got a hybrid turbo + FMIC and it seems to be a good combo, in that the hybrid is able to deliver more volume of air as well as keep boost at nice levels whilst in the 'safe' area of use. Thing is, if you go down this road things DO get pretty expensive pretty quickly. I've got an LSD & uprated clutch & pressure plate to help put the power down, there are a fair few things left to play with though Good value for money are the evry mod (not ideal but reasonable), a decent remap that doesn't overdo it. Beyond that it depends on how much reliability and performance you want/need from your car. If you are prepared to use your gearbox you can probably keep your standard clutch alive for a fair bit __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Fabia vRS alloys for sale incl tyres, spare wheel with tyre + spare tyre - make me an offer via PM

07-11-2006, 06:37	#11
Basil hardcore modder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Henley-on-Thames Posts: 3,001 Thanks: 170 Thanked 159 Times in 127 Posts	Re: Hybrid Turbo check out phase 4 on ATMR Racing Team drool, drool........ Cheers Bas __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

07-11-2006, 07:38	#12
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,684 Thanks: 43 Thanked 67 Times in 58 Posts	Re: Hybrid Turbo Sounds rather nice that one __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Fabia vRS alloys for sale incl tyres, spare wheel with tyre + spare tyre - make me an offer via PM

07-11-2006, 08:11	#13
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,530 Thanks: 36 Thanked 75 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Hybrid Turbo I had a ride in Lukes VRS at Jabba on Saturday thats had a hybrid added, front mount & one of Jabbas legendary remaps. Ill admit to being somewhat Impressed at just how good it was & how well it could pull in high gears from low revs. Certainly opened my eyes to what can be achieved by people who know what they are doing __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

08-11-2006, 13:23	#16
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,530 Thanks: 36 Thanked 75 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Hybrid Turbo Lukes VRS at Jabba is making 227 bhp & 375 lbft torque, its also still kicking out 190 when it hits the limiter note its still on std injectors Cars spec as follows Red Fabia V/rs, full Milltek exhaust, decatted blueflame downpipe, jabba FMIC, Jabba Remap, Jabba ARB, Jabbasport stage 2 hybrid turbo, green filter, 160pd intake pipe, kw v2 coilovers, 312mm disks, team dynamics 1.2 wheels in black, tinted pimp windows, B&M quick shifter, black leather seats and doorcards, Leon cupra R splitter 227 bhp 375lbft and still growing __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

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