Hyper Earthing

Silber_Igel · 12-11-2003, 01:45

Guys...

Anyone on the East side of the lake know anything about a modification called "Hyper Grounding" or in OE, "Hyper Earthing?"

I've seen this on a couple VW, Mitsu and Subaru forums in addition to a couple of performance shops websites. It appears to be an easy to do, makes sense modification that gives a slight increase in power, torque and mileage.

Thoughts anyone?

**TaviaRS** · 12-11-2003, 08:33

Mine is being fitted whilst they have the engine out

Recently it was tried out on a mkIII Golf, dynoed before and after, total BHP gain was 12bhp.

Not cheap though, but it looks pretty

**tfboy** · 12-11-2003, 09:35

Uhm, ok, but what actually is it ?!?

***Neo_VR*** · 12-11-2003, 10:09

Is it something to do with reversing the polarity on the secondary googlecharger, ergo creating a reverse FOE?

Alex · 12-11-2003, 10:13

or triple charging the polarity on the reverse flux meter and magnifying the power to the plasma inducer coils by a factor of 10 easy really!

Dan_P · 12-11-2003, 10:29

Or it could just be running an earth to lots of places

LOL

I have seen this mod on scooby net and someone on there did it DIY style and it didnt cost very much at all, it looked pretty easy as all you do is take 6 or 7 earth cable/straps from the negative batt term and strap them to things like :gearbox/ECU/sus mount/engine/bulkhead etc etc.

TaviaRS: if you get this done could you tell us where they ran the earths to?

***Neo_VR*** · 12-11-2003, 12:02

12bhp from that?... impossible!

KLB · 12-11-2003, 12:16

Sounds like snake oil to me....

Stuart_J · 12-11-2003, 12:43

Works on Scoobs, Basically I believe its lot more earthing points, several people on Scrubbynet have done DIY ones, The expensive bit appears to be the cable so group buy on a roll might be the order of the day

***Neo_VR*** · 12-11-2003, 12:54

Before you get any ideas.... it wont work on a TDi!!!
Diesels use compression ignition and not spark ignition

fen_l&k · 12-11-2003, 12:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

Before you get any ideas.... it wont work on a TDi!!!
Diesels use compression ignition and not spark ignition

Umm, still don't understand what it does for a petrol engine, never mind a diesel! Someone care to explain the principle??

KentStu · 12-11-2003, 13:12

Try this link which has a discussion about it and also a FAQ.

***DGW*** · 12-11-2003, 22:17

Hmmm. Lots of use of thinks and seems in that thread but no hard facts.

***DGW*** · 12-11-2003, 22:26

Here are a couple of posts about hyper earthing from an American Evo site:

1. As most of you know, :mitsu: offers something called Earthing Cables. What it does, is that it improves the ground throughout the engine and engine bay. A stronger, cleaner ground, provides more power, better gas mileage, and a better idle. It is also a much stronger platform to base modifications on, rather than the stock grounding system.

2. DIY grounding kits are not rocket science- precisely measured is certainly nice when it's cheap, but it's not worth $200+. Just get a nice, long length of cable, some cutters, and stretch it between each connection, allow for a little slack (from engine movement), snip, add connectors at each end, and viola, you are there. And your wallet isn't on fire, either.

Grounding on most cars is adequete, but hyper-performance turbo cars seem to suffer. One theory is that there is a lot of noise from all that's packed in there, and it upsets the ECU. The other theory is a bit easier to understand -beancounters are cheap ********, and they'll only put as much grounding in as is minimally required. And then any sub-100% connection or wire will start messing up the system. (how much stuff in the engine bay really works at 100%?)

Just remember - it is not a performance enhancer. It's bringing your system up to normal operational levels. If you gain anything, it's because you had lost it in the first place. So for some people, there will be no gains, because, ta da, their system was in perfect operating order in the first place! Which is another reason not to pay $200+ for the wires - then they are just a very expensive placebo.

**delcac** · 12-11-2003, 22:56

If you want one of these kits like the one I supplied to Jon PM me.

These kits improve grounding even if the earthing on your car is working correctly buy providing more earthing points around the engine bay. The wire supplied is vacuum sealed as in high grade speaker wire and offers very little resistance far less than standard earth wiring, therefore giving more efficient electrical component operation, better bass response, brighter lights etc and of course better low end torque.

Hope this helps.

Des

***DGW*** · 12-11-2003, 23:42

My 3 years of apprenticeship training in the RAF as an Air Radio Fitter (Fighter) makes me extremely gullible to such claims. So the alternator output doubles, current flows in all directions regardless of battery polarity, and the moon is brighter too. So what is the resistance of standard earthing wire and what is the resistance of the super dooper vacuum packed wire? And how does the earthing improve when it was to spec in the first place? And having improved the earthing, surely the various positive feeds all over the car also need 'improving' - or am I missing a trick here? So all positive leads should be screened, use similarly super dooper wire, have gold connectors etc etc, or would that be an itsy bitsy bit too expensive and impractical? I'm bored with this topic. Time for a large dose of snake oil (if I can find some to spec VW 503 00) then off to bed.

MonkeyHanger · 12-11-2003, 23:45

All sounds a bit far-fetched to me, but then i'm just a sparky, what would i know ??

I can see how it would possibly make a difference on an older car with oxidised earth terminals, but on a new car?

I'll give it a miss thanks

Stuart_J · 13-11-2003, 07:33

If I use an old set of Crimbo lights I have in the loft will they light up & give "pretty" lights around the engine & if they are bright enough will they be like a sort of "poor mans neons" ????

**TaviaRS** · 13-11-2003, 09:27

I got my kit cheap so I'm going to try it :p What harm can it do?

Have you looked at the earthing in our cars? Have you looked in your diagnostics? Maybe its the age of mine (but I know I'm not alone in this) but I have on several ocassions had earth faults and a couple of mechanics have said that the earthing on the Golf and its derivatives is not exactly brilliant.

I'll give it a try and see.

PS Den, The guy who sold me the kit has some snake oil to spec VW 503 00. He says it will improve both your temperament and your potency. How many gallons would you like me to order for you?

***DGW*** · 13-11-2003, 11:32

***ncarring*** · 13-11-2003, 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGW

My 3 years of apprenticeship training in the RAF as an Air Radio Fitter (Fighter) makes me extremely gullible to such claims...

Did you know the new edition of the Oxford English Dictionary has no entry for the word "gullible" ?

***DGW*** · 13-11-2003, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncarring

Did you know the new edition of the Oxford English Dictionary has no entry for the word "gullible" ?

No I didn't, but I use The Chambers Dictionary New Edition which does, and Collins English Dictionary also lists the word. Perhaps now is the time to move up from a pocket dictionary to one which contains words of 3 syllables and more, Nick.

**delcac** · 13-11-2003, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGW

No I didn't, but I use The Chambers Dictionary New Edition which does, and Collins English Dictionary also lists the word. Perhaps now is the time to move up from a pocket dictionary to one which contains words of 3 syllables and more, Nick.

Nick,
Perhaps if you used the kit on your dictionary maybe it would give you a wider vocabulary, just a thought.

Des

GR_Octavia_ABT · 13-11-2003, 19:04

For your info, this is an email I received from http://www.sunautomobile.com answering my questions about Hyper Ground and Hyper Voltage Systems.

"
Thank you for your interest in our products.In the US, we do not have the Skoda Octavia, but I'm sure that our products will work for the vehicle. If the car is front engine/front mount battery, then the universal S-Type will fit (Hyper Ground System). If the cars battery is relocated to the rear, you can use the universal L-Type. For Hyper Voltage System, all 3 types will fit the car; we recommend the MR type for maximum performance.
Basically, the products are designed to increase the efficiency of the electrical system. The Hyper Ground System provides a very low-resistance, direct ground path from engine components to the battery. Essentially, this lessens the load on the alternator and creates a more efficient electrical system, which results in power gains, fuel mileage gains, brighter lights, cleaner audio, reduced emissions, etc. The Hyper Voltage System is designed to stabilize the voltage from the battery for more electrical system efficiency. It is essentially a high performance capacitor, which stores energy and gives it back to the battery when it needs it. Results are similar to Hyper Ground: increased power, reduced fuel mileage, reduced emissions, longer battery life, etc. Using Hyper Ground and Hyper Voltage together is better than using each product separately.
The cost of the products are:
Hyper Ground System S-Type - US$115 (red, blue, yellow, smoke) US$135 (silver, gold - these have gold-plated terminals and extra shielding)
Hyper Voltage System MR Type US$188 (all colors)
When purchased as a set I can give a 10% discount.
Please send us your address so I can get a quote for shipping. We can only send via Fedex International, my rough estimate is about $150 for express delivery. For our non US customers, we can only accept payment by international wire transfer. Thank you again for your inquiry, we look forward to servicing you!

Best Regards,
Sun Auto USA
714 708-7733
888 SUN-0767
info@sunautomobile.com
www.sunautomobile.com
"

**delcac** · 13-11-2003, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGW

My 3 years of apprenticeship training in the RAF as an Air Radio Fitter (Fighter) makes me extremely gullible to such claims. So the alternator output doubles, current flows in all directions regardless of battery polarity, and the moon is brighter too. So what is the resistance of standard earthing wire and what is the resistance of the super dooper vacuum packed wire? And how does the earthing improve when it was to spec in the first place? And having improved the earthing, surely the various positive feeds all over the car also need 'improving' - or am I missing a trick here? So all positive leads should be screened, use similarly super dooper wire, have gold connectors etc etc, or would that be an itsy bitsy bit too expensive and impractical? I'm bored with this topic. Time for a large dose of snake oil (if I can find some to spec VW 503 00) then off to bed.

Denis,
Don't care if you or anyone else beleaves it or not just saying if anybody wants one at a discounted price I can get them. Don't know if it will work on any Skoda as the kit is not Skoda specific all I do know is it worked very well on a Golf and a Civic (12bhp gain). This is fact not rash statements, seen it with my own eyes, sorry.

I tend to try silly things like this when they appear on the market some work some don't, you may say I test things to distruction just incase it makes the RS go faster but that's just me. Don't think i've ever given out a b*m steer and never condoned the use of snake oil even with it's potency properties.

Des

12-11-2003, 01:45	#1
Silber_Igel Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Kerrville, Texas Posts: 234 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hyper Earthing Guys... Anyone on the East side of the lake know anything about a modification called "Hyper Grounding" or in OE, "Hyper Earthing?" I've seen this on a couple VW, Mitsu and Subaru forums in addition to a couple of performance shops websites. It appears to be an easy to do, makes sense modification that gives a slight increase in power, torque and mileage. Thoughts anyone? __________________ Silber Igel & "Ziggy the Turbo" 2001 New Beetle 1.8 Turbo GLX, Silver w/ Grey Leather, Sunroof & Monsoon

12-11-2003, 08:33	#2
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Mine is being fitted whilst they have the engine out Recently it was tried out on a mkIII Golf, dynoed before and after, total BHP gain was 12bhp. Not cheap though, but it looks pretty __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

12-11-2003, 09:35	#3
tfboy C+ à Paris! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tilehurst, Berkshire Posts: 6,325 Thanks: 21 Thanked 74 Times in 65 Posts	Uhm, ok, but what actually is it ?!? __________________ Xavier

12-11-2003, 10:09	#4
*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,423 Thanks: 77 Thanked 176 Times in 125 Posts	Is it something to do with reversing the polarity on the secondary googlecharger, ergo creating a reverse FOE? __________________ ColGod the UberMod ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY??

12-11-2003, 10:29	#6
Dan_P Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Worc's Posts: 313 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Or it could just be running an earth to lots of places LOL I have seen this mod on scooby net and someone on there did it DIY style and it didnt cost very much at all, it looked pretty easy as all you do is take 6 or 7 earth cable/straps from the negative batt term and strap them to things like :gearbox/ECU/sus mount/engine/bulkhead etc etc. TaviaRS: if you get this done could you tell us where they ran the earths to? Last edited by Dan_P; 12-11-2003 at 10:35.

12-11-2003, 10:13	#5
Alex Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Peak District Posts: 2,733 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	or triple charging the polarity on the reverse flux meter and magnifying the power to the plasma inducer coils by a factor of 10 easy really!

12-11-2003, 12:02	#7
*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,423 Thanks: 77 Thanked 176 Times in 125 Posts	12bhp from that?... impossible! __________________ ColGod the UberMod ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY??

12-11-2003, 12:16	#8
KLB Discordian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Newport, Newport - so good the Post Office named it twice Posts: 1,962 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Sounds like snake oil to me.... __________________ Mike

12-11-2003, 12:43	#9
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,678 Thanks: 39 Thanked 84 Times in 77 Posts	Works on Scoobs, Basically I believe its lot more earthing points, several people on Scrubbynet have done DIY ones, The expensive bit appears to be the cable so group buy on a roll might be the order of the day __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

12-11-2003, 12:54	#10
*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,423 Thanks: 77 Thanked 176 Times in 125 Posts	Note To Jason: Before you get any ideas.... it wont work on a TDi!!! Diesels use compression ignition and not spark ignition __________________ ColGod the UberMod ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY??

12-11-2003, 13:12	#12
KentStu Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canterbury, Kent Posts: 1,908 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Try this link which has a discussion about it and also a FAQ. __________________ Stu Yellow Octy RS & '58 Morris Minor Tourer Owner .......... not a hairdresser

12-11-2003, 22:17	#13
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,259 Thanks: 51 Thanked 197 Times in 149 Posts	Hmmm. Lots of use of thinks and seems in that thread but no hard facts. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.57 mpg...

12-11-2003, 22:26	#14
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,259 Thanks: 51 Thanked 197 Times in 149 Posts	Here are a couple of posts about hyper earthing from an American Evo site: 1. As most of you know, :mitsu: offers something called Earthing Cables. What it does, is that it improves the ground throughout the engine and engine bay. A stronger, cleaner ground, provides more power, better gas mileage, and a better idle. It is also a much stronger platform to base modifications on, rather than the stock grounding system. 2. DIY grounding kits are not rocket science- precisely measured is certainly nice when it's cheap, but it's not worth $200+. Just get a nice, long length of cable, some cutters, and stretch it between each connection, allow for a little slack (from engine movement), snip, add connectors at each end, and viola, you are there. And your wallet isn't on fire, either. Grounding on most cars is adequete, but hyper-performance turbo cars seem to suffer. One theory is that there is a lot of noise from all that's packed in there, and it upsets the ECU. The other theory is a bit easier to understand -beancounters are cheap ******, and they'll only put as much grounding in as is minimally required. And then any sub-100% connection or wire will start messing up the system. (how much stuff in the engine bay really works at 100%?) Just remember - it is not a performance enhancer. It's bringing your system up to normal operational levels. If you gain anything, it's because you had lost it in the first place. So for some people, there will be no gains, because, ta da, their system was in perfect operating order in the first place! Which is another reason not to pay $200+ for the wires - then they are just a very expensive placebo. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons** ...48.57 mpg...

12-11-2003, 22:56	#15
delcac Still a **** Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chatham, Kent Posts: 7,396 Thanks: 16 Thanked 70 Times in 55 Posts	If you want one of these kits like the one I supplied to Jon PM me. These kits improve grounding even if the earthing on your car is working correctly buy providing more earthing points around the engine bay. The wire supplied is vacuum sealed as in high grade speaker wire and offers very little resistance far less than standard earth wiring, therefore giving more efficient electrical component operation, better bass response, brighter lights etc and of course better low end torque. Hope this helps. Des __________________ The Red Devil

12-11-2003, 23:42	#16
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,259 Thanks: 51 Thanked 197 Times in 149 Posts	My 3 years of apprenticeship training in the RAF as an Air Radio Fitter (Fighter) makes me extremely gullible to such claims. So the alternator output doubles, current flows in all directions regardless of battery polarity, and the moon is brighter too. So what is the resistance of standard earthing wire and what is the resistance of the super dooper vacuum packed wire? And how does the earthing improve when it was to spec in the first place? And having improved the earthing, surely the various positive feeds all over the car also need 'improving' - or am I missing a trick here? So all positive leads should be screened, use similarly super dooper wire, have gold connectors etc etc, or would that be an itsy bitsy bit too expensive and impractical? I'm bored with this topic. Time for a large dose of snake oil (if I can find some to spec VW 503 00) then off to bed. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.57 mpg...

12-11-2003, 23:45	#17
MonkeyHanger Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Anywhere but here Posts: 8,779 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	All sounds a bit far-fetched to me, but then i'm just a sparky, what would i know ?? I can see how it would possibly make a difference on an older car with oxidised earth terminals, but on a new car? I'll give it a miss thanks

13-11-2003, 07:33	#18
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,678 Thanks: 39 Thanked 84 Times in 77 Posts	Bored If I use an old set of Crimbo lights I have in the loft will they light up & give "pretty" lights around the engine & if they are bright enough will they be like a sort of "poor mans neons" ???? __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

13-11-2003, 09:27	#19
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	I got my kit cheap so I'm going to try it :p What harm can it do? Have you looked at the earthing in our cars? Have you looked in your diagnostics? Maybe its the age of mine (but I know I'm not alone in this) but I have on several ocassions had earth faults and a couple of mechanics have said that the earthing on the Golf and its derivatives is not exactly brilliant. I'll give it a try and see. PS Den, The guy who sold me the kit has some snake oil to spec VW 503 00. He says it will improve both your temperament and your potency. How many gallons would you like me to order for you? __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

13-11-2003, 11:32	#20
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,259 Thanks: 51 Thanked 197 Times in 149 Posts	__________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.57 mpg...

13-11-2003, 19:04	#24
GR_Octavia_ABT Briskodian Join Date: May 2003 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 86 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	For your info, this is an email I received from http://www.sunautomobile.com answering my questions about Hyper Ground and Hyper Voltage Systems. " Thank you for your interest in our products.In the US, we do not have the Skoda Octavia, but I'm sure that our products will work for the vehicle. If the car is front engine/front mount battery, then the universal S-Type will fit (Hyper Ground System). If the cars battery is relocated to the rear, you can use the universal L-Type. For Hyper Voltage System, all 3 types will fit the car; we recommend the MR type for maximum performance. Basically, the products are designed to increase the efficiency of the electrical system. The Hyper Ground System provides a very low-resistance, direct ground path from engine components to the battery. Essentially, this lessens the load on the alternator and creates a more efficient electrical system, which results in power gains, fuel mileage gains, brighter lights, cleaner audio, reduced emissions, etc. The Hyper Voltage System is designed to stabilize the voltage from the battery for more electrical system efficiency. It is essentially a high performance capacitor, which stores energy and gives it back to the battery when it needs it. Results are similar to Hyper Ground: increased power, reduced fuel mileage, reduced emissions, longer battery life, etc. Using Hyper Ground and Hyper Voltage together is better than using each product separately. The cost of the products are: Hyper Ground System S-Type - US$115 (red, blue, yellow, smoke) US$135 (silver, gold - these have gold-plated terminals and extra shielding) Hyper Voltage System MR Type US$188 (all colors) When purchased as a set I can give a 10% discount. Please send us your address so I can get a quote for shipping. We can only send via Fedex International, my rough estimate is about $150 for express delivery. For our non US customers, we can only accept payment by international wire transfer. Thank you again for your inquiry, we look forward to servicing you! Best Regards, Sun Auto USA 714 708-7733 888 SUN-0767 info@sunautomobile.com www.sunautomobile.com " __________________

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