I need a bit of advice, before I cry!

week46 · 21-01-2004, 18:21

2 month old, pristine black Fabia vRS. Driving home from work see a roadside car wash and think hmm, cars a bit dirty lets get it washed.

Get home and see that the paint is now "swirled" really badly, particularly on back bumper and the c post. Not scratched, so screaming at the car wash guy may not help, just swirled the way old cars sometimes look.

Is there anything else I can do? Any particular type of polish or wax designed to get rid of these swirls or I am best to get it machine polished at a valeters.

Any experts out there, please let me know if I can fix this??

Cheers.

rich1068 · 21-01-2004, 18:24

Oh dear. Automatic car wash, new car, black (softest colour). What a combination. You won't do that again will you?

Find a post by Wax Wizard (any) and you will see his e.mail and phone number. He may be able to help.

FabiaTDi · 21-01-2004, 18:28

Try using some cleaner wax or polish first. Light swirls should come out and apply and remove in straight lines, rather than circles..

Try it on a small section of the affected areas and see what happens..

btw I'm just waiting for the first scratch to appear on mine too!

rich1068 · 21-01-2004, 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by FabiaTDi

Try using some cleaner wax or polish first. Light swirls should come out and apply and remove in straight lines, rather than circles..

Try it on a small section of the affected areas and see what happens..

But don't skimp on the price. Good quality wax.

week46 · 21-01-2004, 18:35

Cheers guys.

I will try anything next dry weekend we get.

Worst of it is that its wasnt a machine it was a wee guy and his van, which is probably (definatly) not much better. Never again. My new motto - "you cant get a decent car wash for a few quid, do it yourself" which I normaly do anyway!

Shame.

spinndrift · 21-01-2004, 18:42

Got my first scratch within two days - bloody children.

stopan1j · 21-01-2004, 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich1068

Oh dear. Automatic car wash, new car, black (softest colour). What a combination. You won't do that again will you?

Find a post by Wax Wizard (any) and you will see his e.mail and phone number. He may be able to help.

Agree with this, if you want your car back to normal entrust an expert - It will be worth it in the long run, In my opinion you are best to avoid using polishes and abrasives yourself, If you get wax wizard to do it you will get advice, a good result and some products for you to keep an excellent finish in the future.

John

wax wizard · 21-01-2004, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by week46

2 month old, pristine black Fabia vRS. Driving home from work see a roadside car wash and think hmm, cars a bit dirty lets get it washed.

Get home and see that the paint is now "swirled" really badly, particularly on back bumper and the c post. Not scratched, so screaming at the car wash guy may not help, just swirled the way old cars sometimes look.

Is there anything else I can do? Any particular type of polish or wax designed to get rid of these swirls or I am best to get it machine polished at a valeters.

Any experts out there, please let me know if I can fix this??

Cheers.

OK OK. There is no need to panic. The problem is simple to overcome!!!!!

First off....black paint is not the "softest"...that is a misconception. Your paint has the same hardness as the rest of the other coloured paints within the range.

Black paint absorbs heat and similarly absorbs light. This is why you see the swirling marks to a greater effect on black paint.

let this be a lesson to you and everyone else....DO NOT USE AUTOMATIC CAR WASHES OR ONES WITH A JETWASH/BRUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To cure...dead simple. U need to email me (mark@swissol.com OR waxwizard@blueyonder.co.uk) and include your name. addy and postcode. And by return as a ONE OFF only....I will supply you with a sample/tester product enuff to sort your problem out. It is NON ABRASIVE and has a high oil content that will sink into the paint and "heal" the swirls. You'll need around an hour or so as an ametur to do the process but you'll land up with a beautiful finish.

In order to protect the paint you will then need a non abrasive WAX (no not a polish but a wax) which will then add further gloss. Net result will be a wet look finish.

However...I must you. As your paint is water based, it is intrinsically softer and less hard than older traditional cellulose paints and whilst you will remove 90 to 95% of the swirls you will not be able to remove everyone...you can nut it will take a few days work which will be a waste of time...why? ....cos within a day it will have gained further markings etc.

As an alternative, depending on where you live and subject to my travel arrangements I could be persuaded to come by and do a live demo for FOC subject to there being suffiecient interest.

Ball in your court!

***ColinD*** · 21-01-2004, 21:05

Hijacking slighlty...Don't forget to shout when you up near Manchester for a dew days Mark. I'll also be contacting you soon about somthing else , but if you do not hear from me remind me...I'm a tad busy, so this is more a tag for me to remember to do what I have to do.

rich1068 · 21-01-2004, 23:19

Wax Wizard. Don't you just love him? Even if he is wrong about black being softest. :p

Stuart_J · 22-01-2004, 08:18

Week46, Take the offer & if you can get him to do it even better, its even worth driving to meet him. Once whilst mark was cleaning one of our cars a guy turned up with a badly marked blue Seat by prior arrangement. I thought the paint was *****d but true to his word Mark sorted it

Stuart

wax wizard · 22-01-2004, 21:17

Even if he is wrong about black being softest.

I dont think so Rich. At swissol we have 90 years experience of making paints.

Rgds
Mark
B.Sc., C.Chem., Registered Analytical Chemist

whacker · 23-01-2004, 10:25

I think you're right too,
well i don't know jack about paints so don't take my word, but the mechanic at the garage where I bought my Fabia said that there's no difference in paint in any of the colors. They all have the same thickness even the metallic ones. He said metallic ones USED to be thicker because you have 2 layers but now there is no difference anymore.

William · 23-01-2004, 11:25

The problem is not the colour it is the modern water based paints. They also cause problems with bird **** etc that did not used to happen with cars. The first car I have owned that used this new type of paint was my first Felicia. It and my following felicia and the Octavia all have far more marks on them than any of my older cars ever had depsite greater age etc.

The environmental lobby that forced this change in paint type have a lot to answer for.

Stop worrying, after you have the car for a while you will realise that the marks are unavoidable and that just drive it through the wash regularily and keep it waxed and enjoy the car.

rich1068 · 23-01-2004, 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by wax wizard

Even if he is wrong about black being softest.

I dont think so Rich. At swissol we have 90 years experience of making paints.

Rgds
Mark
B.Sc., C.Chem., Registered Analytical Chemist

Calm down Mark. A little gentle ribbing.

Richard
B.all., QFC.ations., Registered 'Workshy'.

I reckon you should really be turning your attention to

Quote:

Stop worrying, after you have the car for a while you will realise that the marks are unavoidable and that just drive it through the wash regularily and keep it waxed and enjoy the car.

21-01-2004, 18:21	#1
week46 Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 91 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I need a bit of advice, before I cry! 2 month old, pristine black Fabia vRS. Driving home from work see a roadside car wash and think hmm, cars a bit dirty lets get it washed. Get home and see that the paint is now "swirled" really badly, particularly on back bumper and the c post. Not scratched, so screaming at the car wash guy may not help, just swirled the way old cars sometimes look. Is there anything else I can do? Any particular type of polish or wax designed to get rid of these swirls or I am best to get it machine polished at a valeters. Any experts out there, please let me know if I can fix this?? Cheers.

21-01-2004, 18:24	#2
rich1068 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: North Posts: 2,709 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh dear. Automatic car wash, new car, black (softest colour). What a combination. You won't do that again will you? Find a post by Wax Wizard (any) and you will see his e.mail and phone number. He may be able to help. __________________ Rich. Skoda Octavia RS

21-01-2004, 18:28	#3
FabiaTDi VT5 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 2,016 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Try using some cleaner wax or polish first. Light swirls should come out and apply and remove in straight lines, rather than circles.. Try it on a small section of the affected areas and see what happens.. btw I'm just waiting for the first scratch to appear on mine too! __________________ Was: Allard Tuned Fabia vRS VT5 Turbo Conversion Now: '06 BMW 320i Auto On Order: New Audi A3 Sportback TDI Last edited by FabiaTDi; 21-01-2004 at 18:30.

21-01-2004, 18:42	#6
spinndrift Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Woking Posts: 6,609 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Got my first scratch within two days - bloody children. __________________ Rev. Andy The Rallying Reverend www.miniroadrunnerrallying.co.uk No money for rallying makes Andy a dull boy

21-01-2004, 21:05	#9
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,206 Thanks: 18 Thanked 137 Times in 69 Posts	Hijacking slighlty...Don't forget to shout when you up near Manchester for a dew days Mark. I'll also be contacting you soon about somthing else , but if you do not hear from me remind me...I'm a tad busy, so this is more a tag for me to remember to do what I have to do. __________________ ColinD - 97/100 Limited Edition Octavia vRS < For Sale www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner. E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

21-01-2004, 18:35	#5
week46 Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 91 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cheers guys. I will try anything next dry weekend we get. Worst of it is that its wasnt a machine it was a wee guy and his van, which is probably (definatly) not much better. Never again. My new motto - "you cant get a decent car wash for a few quid, do it yourself" which I normaly do anyway! Shame.

21-01-2004, 23:19	#10
rich1068 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: North Posts: 2,709 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wax Wizard. Don't you just love him? Even if he is wrong about black being softest. :p __________________ Rich. Skoda Octavia RS

22-01-2004, 08:18	#11
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,555 Thanks: 37 Thanked 79 Times in 72 Posts	Week46, Take the offer & if you can get him to do it even better, its even worth driving to meet him. Once whilst mark was cleaning one of our cars a guy turned up with a badly marked blue Seat by prior arrangement. I thought the paint was *****d but true to his word Mark sorted it Stuart __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

22-01-2004, 21:17	#12
wax wizard Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 104 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Even if he is wrong about black being softest. I dont think so Rich. At swissol we have 90 years experience of making paints. Rgds Mark B.Sc., C.Chem., Registered Analytical Chemist __________________ Kind regards Mark Email:waxwizard@blueyonder.co.uk OR markunderwood@blueyonder.co.uk Mobile: 00447779287352

23-01-2004, 10:25	#13
whacker Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think you're right too, well i don't know jack about paints so don't take my word, but the mechanic at the garage where I bought my Fabia said that there's no difference in paint in any of the colors. They all have the same thickness even the metallic ones. He said metallic ones USED to be thicker because you have 2 layers but now there is no difference anymore.

23-01-2004, 11:25	#14
William BANNED Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 2,148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The problem is not the colour it is the modern water based paints. They also cause problems with bird **** etc that did not used to happen with cars. The first car I have owned that used this new type of paint was my first Felicia. It and my following felicia and the Octavia all have far more marks on them than any of my older cars ever had depsite greater age etc. The environmental lobby that forced this change in paint type have a lot to answer for. Stop worrying, after you have the car for a while you will realise that the marks are unavoidable and that just drive it through the wash regularily and keep it waxed and enjoy the car.

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