New Brakes......

redbaron · 15-01-2004, 09:35

Now got my new discs pads and fluid on the car.....

Blackdiamond discs all round drilled and grooved with Ferodo DS3000 pads..

only done 100 miles or so but the stopping power is awesome and so far beyond the stock setup (which is not bad on the vRS anyway)

Will report more when i have had a chance to push them on dry tarmac but its looking good.

***Neo_VR*** · 15-01-2004, 10:06

Where abouts do you get all the work done on your car? do you DIY it or get a garage/dealer to do it?

**TaviaRS** · 15-01-2004, 10:12

Told ya ya didn't need to spend shed loads on 4 pots and big discs

Be careful though, the number of people I've nearly collected in the back of mine is quite high.

**TaviaRS** · 15-01-2004, 10:13

& Mr Horton, don't even think of trying to outbrake him, you will lose!

Had a P1 on slicks and AP 6 pots try to outbrake mine on a similar setup to Paul's, he lost!

***ColinD*** · 15-01-2004, 10:24

Excellent!

This should mean you can stop before whacking the white bollard.

Stuart_J · 15-01-2004, 10:33

So Colin, is that why you bought a white car, so it wont show the marks so easily !!!

SimonT · 15-01-2004, 10:46

Big difference between the 3000s and 2500s? Do you need to make a big effort to warm them up?

**TaviaRS** · 15-01-2004, 10:52

No, not a great effort, but they aren't that good when cold.

They also squeal worse than that bloke in Deliverance and the dust is just plain evil.

However they do give the stopping effect of hitting a large immovable object

redbaron · 15-01-2004, 10:57

they do squeal round town.. but they are bloody good at stopping the car..

jon - how do i disengage the abs... cos i reckon withthe slicks on it is not letting me use the full power...?

***ColinD*** · 15-01-2004, 11:03

Assuming DS2500's

Much difference between Pagid Grooved, BlackDiamond Grooved or EBC Grooved and dimpled?

**TaviaRS** · 15-01-2004, 11:04

Personal perferrence; grooved and drilled.

redbaron · 15-01-2004, 11:06

Simon "track god" Horton says drilled are no good.. :new_silly Jon and I are going to prove him wrong.. grooved would be enough with ds2500 but drilled better with 3000 as they generate a lot of gas which needs to disappear to keep pad in contact with disc. :smileyrai

***ColinD*** · 15-01-2004, 11:11

Cheers,

So any bad things about pagid or black diamond discs?

I assume they are about the same horses for courses and all that.

fivepint · 15-01-2004, 11:26

Personally Ive always found a hot drilled disc and a wet climate a bad mix!!!

avoid standing water... Porsche cast holes are the only option really, the DS2500 pads though are brillant for road and some track,

sihorton · 15-01-2004, 11:26

drilled is good, and grooved is even better, but is they get v hot and then wet they will warp and crack easier than just grooved ones!!

As long as you have a good compound pad and a clean (de glazzed) brake disc surface, you can't go far wrong. As for the number of pots, this mainly just helps spread the braking pressure and ensures that the pads and discs make firm contact all over the surface.

The main thing about out braking someone else is mainly down to the mentality of the driver and his judgement skills. you just having to balance the distance and speed of the car your chasing and not overshooting yourself and ending up in the kitty litter!! Also be very comitteed and trust your car / brakes 100%.

si

**TaviaRS** · 15-01-2004, 11:34

Hmm, maybe my discs haven't ever got hot enough

I've run the grooved and drilled for 10,500 track miles and I've never cracked them, even when you could hear the water hitting the discs and spitting as it evapourated.

***ColinD*** · 15-01-2004, 11:34

Yep, had 2500's on the last one, helped alot and as I do 90% more normal driving over track, I have to retain some degree of sanity.

Can source Black Diamonds from DemonTweak or Awesome can supply Pagid. The 2500's are a given. It's all typical last minute stuff, how would the dimpled EBC stack up? A trade off between drilled and not drilled?

**TaviaRS** · 15-01-2004, 11:35

Colin, IMHO;

Get the grooved and drilled Black Diamond ones from DT, along with the 2500s. Don't forget to get some Super DOT4 brake fluid as well.

***ColinD*** · 15-01-2004, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by sihorton

trust your car / brakes 100%.

As with climbing, trust your contact points and ability. Worry about the loose gear later

I see brakes and tyres as the contact points, hence I'm never fussed about been faster than car x, just fussed about stopping.

Fair point about out braking and having had the 2500's on the front on the motorway, the 5 cars behind mis judged it aswell. For the record I left alot of space and what began gradually ahead turned to a fairly quick stop, so as it tricked up I gently braked then as the stop request trickled up the field to the car in front of me I stopped...old fiesta's stop quite well, Toyota Corrolla's don't.

Guess we need a bumper sticker...

redbaron · 15-01-2004, 13:29

how about "back off this will outbrake a 911"

15-01-2004, 09:35	#1
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,398 Thanks: 13 Thanked 64 Times in 56 Posts	New Brakes...... Now got my new discs pads and fluid on the car..... Blackdiamond discs all round drilled and grooved with Ferodo DS3000 pads.. only done 100 miles or so but the stopping power is awesome and so far beyond the stock setup (which is not bad on the vRS anyway) Will report more when i have had a chance to push them on dry tarmac but its looking good. __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

15-01-2004, 10:06	#2
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15-01-2004, 10:24	#5
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,210 Thanks: 22 Thanked 138 Times in 70 Posts	Excellent! This should mean you can stop before whacking the white bollard. __________________ ColinD - 97/100 Limited Edition Octavia vRS < For Sale www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner. E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

15-01-2004, 10:33	#6
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,600 Thanks: 38 Thanked 81 Times in 74 Posts	So Colin, is that why you bought a white car, so it wont show the marks so easily !!! __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

15-01-2004, 10:57	#9
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,398 Thanks: 13 Thanked 64 Times in 56 Posts	they do squeal round town.. but they are bloody good at stopping the car.. jon - how do i disengage the abs... cos i reckon withthe slicks on it is not letting me use the full power...? __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

15-01-2004, 10:12	#3
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Told ya ya didn't need to spend shed loads on 4 pots and big discs Be careful though, the number of people I've nearly collected in the back of mine is quite high.

15-01-2004, 10:13	#4
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	& Mr Horton, don't even think of trying to outbrake him, you will lose! Had a P1 on slicks and AP 6 pots try to outbrake mine on a similar setup to Paul's, he lost!

15-01-2004, 10:46	#7
SimonT Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,174 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Big difference between the 3000s and 2500s? Do you need to make a big effort to warm them up?

15-01-2004, 10:52	#8
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	No, not a great effort, but they aren't that good when cold. They also squeal worse than that bloke in Deliverance and the dust is just plain evil. However they do give the stopping effect of hitting a large immovable object

15-01-2004, 11:03	#10
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,210 Thanks: 22 Thanked 138 Times in 70 Posts	Assuming DS2500's Much difference between Pagid Grooved, BlackDiamond Grooved or EBC Grooved and dimpled? __________________ ColinD - 97/100 Limited Edition Octavia vRS < For Sale www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner. E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

15-01-2004, 11:04	#11
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Personal perferrence; grooved and drilled.

15-01-2004, 11:06	#12
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,398 Thanks: 13 Thanked 64 Times in 56 Posts	Simon "track god" Horton says drilled are no good.. :new_silly Jon and I are going to prove him wrong.. grooved would be enough with ds2500 but drilled better with 3000 as they generate a lot of gas which needs to disappear to keep pad in contact with disc. :smileyrai __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

15-01-2004, 11:11	#13
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,210 Thanks: 22 Thanked 138 Times in 70 Posts	Cheers, So any bad things about pagid or black diamond discs? I assume they are about the same horses for courses and all that. __________________ ColinD - 97/100 Limited Edition Octavia vRS < For Sale www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner. E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

15-01-2004, 11:26	#14
fivepint Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: the Emerald isle... Posts: 348 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Personally Ive always found a hot drilled disc and a wet climate a bad mix!!! avoid standing water... Porsche cast holes are the only option really, the DS2500 pads though are brillant for road and some track, __________________

15-01-2004, 11:26	#15
sihorton Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: lancashire Posts: 451 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	drilled is good, and grooved is even better, but is they get v hot and then wet they will warp and crack easier than just grooved ones!! As long as you have a good compound pad and a clean (de glazzed) brake disc surface, you can't go far wrong. As for the number of pots, this mainly just helps spread the braking pressure and ensures that the pads and discs make firm contact all over the surface. The main thing about out braking someone else is mainly down to the mentality of the driver and his judgement skills. you just having to balance the distance and speed of the car your chasing and not overshooting yourself and ending up in the kitty litter!! Also be very comitteed and trust your car / brakes 100%. si __________________ :drive: I'm going for the gap... "crunch"

15-01-2004, 11:34	#16
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Hmm, maybe my discs haven't ever got hot enough I've run the grooved and drilled for 10,500 track miles and I've never cracked them, even when you could hear the water hitting the discs and spitting as it evapourated.

15-01-2004, 11:35	#18
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Colin, IMHO; Get the grooved and drilled Black Diamond ones from DT, along with the 2500s. Don't forget to get some Super DOT4 brake fluid as well.

15-01-2004, 13:29	#20
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,398 Thanks: 13 Thanked 64 Times in 56 Posts	how about "back off this will outbrake a 911" __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

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