TDi PD 130 engine bedding in.

Chavyboy · 23-01-2004, 12:37

How many miles from new should you take it easy for with these engines ?

Also I am not affraid to get my hands dirty on cars so is there any benefit of changing the oil and filter in the car after it has bedded in ?

What oil is recommended in these engines ?

SkodiRS · 23-01-2004, 12:51

IIRC the handbook says "not more than 3/4 of max speed for the first 1k miles". This is for the 1.8T petrol but I assume it's the same for the diesel.

However in general VW engines get better with miles so even after the running in period, it will still be a bit tight. I reckon after about 5k it should have loosened up.

***Neo_VR*** · 23-01-2004, 13:02

The Dealers reccomend 1k of being gentle to bed in.. but the engine will take many many miles to bed in properly im on 7.5k and the engine is getting better every day

For oil you will need either VAG approved 505.1 or 506.1
the Fabia RS comes from the factory with 506.1 in as standard.. which is the long life stuff for variable servicing.. altho it is unclear if variable servicing is available for the Fabia vRS

roo · 23-01-2004, 13:05

About 2miles

. for the oil, the dealer stuff meets the VAG requirements although i use Castrol GTD Magnatec which also meets the requirements and comes in 1 gallon cans, which akso happens to be the oil capacity. (I can get it cheap if you ever need any Ivan)

roo · 23-01-2004, 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

altho it is unclear if variable servicing is available for the Fabia vRS

not to sure myself, but there are a few sensors in the sump that i don't think has much to do with the engine oil temp.

FabiaTDi · 23-01-2004, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chavyboy

How many miles from new should you take it easy for with these engines ?

Also I am not affraid to get my hands dirty on cars so is there any benefit of changing the oil and filter in the car after it has bedded in ?

What oil is recommended in these engines ?

Treat it exactly as described in the hand book for running in and you cant go wrong.

With the TDi I had the oil changed at around 1500 miles, but this was proabably OTT, so I'm not planning to do the same with the vRS..

the_ape · 23-01-2004, 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

The Dealers reccomend 1k of being gentle to bed in.. but the engine will take many many miles to bed in properly im on 7.5k and the engine is getting better every day

For oil you will need either VAG approved 505.1 or 506.1
the Fabia RS comes from the factory with 506.1 in as standard.. which is the long life stuff for variable servicing.. altho it is unclear if variable servicing is available for the Fabia vRS

I 100% garantee it's available, as mine is on it, they change a sensor and plonk a sticker on.

Just so you know.....

MTK · 26-01-2004, 13:58

"i use Castrol GTD Magnatec which also meets the requirements and comes in 1 gallon cans, which akso happens to be the oil capacity. (I can get it cheap if you ever need any Ivan)"

Does it really ? I thought that the only Castrol stuff which met VW 505.01 spec is the SLX longlife II

Good news if it does 'cos it's widely available and reasonably priced. Otherwise you're stuck with dealer stuff (don't forget Ford must sell an oil that it used in their PD engined Galaxy), Castrol as above and the stuff from Millers. Does it state on the packaging that it meets the standard ?

Dunkx · 26-01-2004, 14:28

It didn't when I looked at it recently.

***DGW*** · 26-01-2004, 14:44

Castrol GTD Magnatec is a spec VW 505 00 (01/97) oil according to the Castrol Germany site. PD engines on variable servicing should use VW 506 01 oil (eg Castrol Longlife); those on fixed service intervals should use VW 505 01 (classed as a multigrade high lubricity oil). (That info is from the Octavia Owner's Manual).

Millers XFE-PD meets VW 500 00, 505 00 and 505 01 according to their site.

PS If I owned a Skoda with a PD engine I would opt to use a VW506 01 spec oil.

NB - Spec VW 505 00 oil is NOT suitable for use in the PD engine according to information posted in this thread on the TDIClub site.

andy ellis · 26-01-2004, 15:44

Ive just done 7500miles on millers and both me and my service manager is very happy with it. Still good viscosity, although we are about to change it due to the level of black stuff in it. This is common of diesal engines and we think its been made worst by the last oil change been done well late (15000) and no flush out, so hence there was a large carryover of crap (I know this for a fact as there was aleast 500mls of oil left out of the 5l). So its millars again after the engine has been given a proper flush! Will post the results as things progress!

Stuart_J · 26-01-2004, 15:46

IF the 130 is anything like the 110 it may use a bit of oil when new but this will stop as the car beds in. Just mention this as its a good idea to carry a Litre of Oil if you are on variable servicing as your average garage dosent sell it.

On the 110 you can mix oil but it will reduce your service interval & even then only I think max of one Litre can be added.

stuart

Chavyboy · 17-02-2004, 11:10

So did anyone find a decent oil for a decent price ?

Stuart_J · 17-02-2004, 11:12

We get ours from trhe dealer, you dont save a lot & if you get any probs you cant be acused of using the wrong oil

Chavyboy · 17-02-2004, 11:17

Well i just found this thread http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/?f=1&t=4851
makes an interesting read especially the bit about Millers XFE

Just read the bit on the millersoils website and the Millers XFE-PD is VW approved for there PD engines.

See \/ \/ \/ \/

Description
A hi-synthetic high performance diesel engine oil specially formulated to meet VW/VAG requirements and officially approved by them.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Application
Recommended for use in diesel engines where oils approved by Volkswagen to their 500.00, 505.01,and 505.00 specifications are required.
Cars from VW, SEAT, Skoda and Audi will need this oil.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

User Benefits
Full warranty protection is provided by this approved engine oil when used in accordance with the VW instructions.
Will provide maximum fuel consumption together with the highest possible protection against wear.
Engine cleanliness is assured by high levels of dispercancy and detergency.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Performance Profile
VW 505.01
VW 505.00
VW 500.00
API CH4
ACEA B3

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Viscosity / Typical Characteristics
5w40

***DGW*** · 17-02-2004, 11:23

The comment about VW putting a different oil in the engine for running in is wrong. And I am surprised that Honest John didn't come out with his usual advice of changing the oil and filter every 5000 miles.

PS: Millers XF PDE does NOT meet the spec for PD engines on variable service intervals, ie when fitted to the Octavia and Superb. Those engines need spec VW 506 01 oil, eg Castrol Longlife SLXII 0W-30. Nor does it meet the spec for other VW diesel engines also on variable service intervals since they need VW 506 00 oil.

Chavyboy · 17-02-2004, 11:32

But Fabia's don't have variable service intervals do they ? unless they have changed it lately ? So what oil does everyone buy ?

roo · 17-02-2004, 11:49

Not they are not set for variable servicing as standard Ivan, but i can be changed. I use Castrol GTD magnatec as it meet the spec IIRC and come is a 4.5l can, which is the amount needed for the engine anyway.

Chavyboy · 17-02-2004, 12:45

Who can variable service limit them then ?

**tfboy** · 17-02-2004, 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chavyboy

Who can variable service limit them then ?

It has to be a dealer, but I stand to be corrected.

I'm thinking about changing mine over to variable servicing when it goes in for the 10,000 mile service.

23-01-2004, 12:37	#1
Chavyboy Proud Dad Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Darkest Deepest Peterborough Posts: 3,789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	TDi PD 130 engine bedding in. How many miles from new should you take it easy for with these engines ? Also I am not affraid to get my hands dirty on cars so is there any benefit of changing the oil and filter in the car after it has bedded in ? What oil is recommended in these engines ? __________________ 2004 '54' Citroen Picasso 1.6 16v Desire HDI in Wicked Red 2004 '54' Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 CDTI Energy Ex Skoda owner

23-01-2004, 12:51	#2
SkodiRS BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: darkest Hampshire Posts: 8,650 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	IIRC the handbook says "not more than 3/4 of max speed for the first 1k miles". This is for the 1.8T petrol but I assume it's the same for the diesel. However in general VW engines get better with miles so even after the running in period, it will still be a bit tight. I reckon after about 5k it should have loosened up. __________________ Adrian.

23-01-2004, 13:02	#3
*Neo_VR* UberMod™ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 11,874 Thanks: 61 Thanked 153 Times in 108 Posts	The Dealers reccomend 1k of being gentle to bed in.. but the engine will take many many miles to bed in properly im on 7.5k and the engine is getting better every day For oil you will need either VAG approved 505.1 or 506.1 the Fabia RS comes from the factory with 506.1 in as standard.. which is the long life stuff for variable servicing.. altho it is unclear if variable servicing is available for the Fabia vRS __________________ ColGod the UberMod VXR, Gti, ST, Type-R, vRS, Shifty... An MPS fears not these things...

26-01-2004, 14:44	#10
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,044 Thanks: 46 Thanked 154 Times in 115 Posts	Castrol GTD Magnatec is a spec VW 505 00 (01/97) oil according to the Castrol Germany site. PD engines on variable servicing should use VW 506 01 oil (eg Castrol Longlife); those on fixed service intervals should use VW 505 01 (classed as a multigrade high lubricity oil). (That info is from the Octavia Owner's Manual). Millers XFE-PD meets VW 500 00, 505 00 and 505 01 according to their site. PS If I owned a Skoda with a PD engine I would opt to use a VW506 01 spec oil. NB - Spec VW 505 00 oil is NOT suitable for use in the PD engine according to information posted in this thread on the TDIClub site. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP, Jabba rear ARB, and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.01 mpg... Last edited by DGW; 27-01-2004 at 11:06. Reason: To correct info about use of spec VW 505 00 oil.

26-01-2004, 15:44	#11
andy ellis Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,289 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ive just done 7500miles on millers and both me and my service manager is very happy with it. Still good viscosity, although we are about to change it due to the level of black stuff in it. This is common of diesal engines and we think its been made worst by the last oil change been done well late (15000) and no flush out, so hence there was a large carryover of crap (I know this for a fact as there was aleast 500mls of oil left out of the 5l). So its millars again after the engine has been given a proper flush! Will post the results as things progress! __________________ Fabia TDI PD100 "Q" and driving school car. Citroen C4 Coupe 1.6hDi+EGS with disability adaptations.

26-01-2004, 13:58	#8
MTK Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	"i use Castrol GTD Magnatec which also meets the requirements and comes in 1 gallon cans, which akso happens to be the oil capacity. (I can get it cheap if you ever need any Ivan)" Does it really ? I thought that the only Castrol stuff which met VW 505.01 spec is the SLX longlife II Good news if it does 'cos it's widely available and reasonably priced. Otherwise you're stuck with dealer stuff (don't forget Ford must sell an oil that it used in their PD engined Galaxy), Castrol as above and the stuff from Millers. Does it state on the packaging that it meets the standard ?

26-01-2004, 14:28	#9
Dunkx Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 443 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It didn't when I looked at it recently.

26-01-2004, 15:46	#12
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,556 Thanks: 37 Thanked 79 Times in 72 Posts	IF the 130 is anything like the 110 it may use a bit of oil when new but this will stop as the car beds in. Just mention this as its a good idea to carry a Litre of Oil if you are on variable servicing as your average garage dosent sell it. On the 110 you can mix oil but it will reduce your service interval & even then only I think max of one Litre can be added. stuart __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

17-02-2004, 11:10	#13
Chavyboy Proud Dad Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Darkest Deepest Peterborough Posts: 3,789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So did anyone find a decent oil for a decent price ? __________________ 2004 '54' Citroen Picasso 1.6 16v Desire HDI in Wicked Red 2004 '54' Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 CDTI Energy Ex Skoda owner

17-02-2004, 11:12	#14
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,556 Thanks: 37 Thanked 79 Times in 72 Posts	We get ours from trhe dealer, you dont save a lot & if you get any probs you cant be acused of using the wrong oil __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

17-02-2004, 11:17	#15
Chavyboy Proud Dad Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Darkest Deepest Peterborough Posts: 3,789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well i just found this thread http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/?f=1&t=4851 makes an interesting read especially the bit about Millers XFE Just read the bit on the millersoils website and the Millers XFE-PD is VW approved for there PD engines. See \/ \/ \/ \/ Description A hi-synthetic high performance diesel engine oil specially formulated to meet VW/VAG requirements and officially approved by them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Application Recommended for use in diesel engines where oils approved by Volkswagen to their 500.00, 505.01,and 505.00 specifications are required. Cars from VW, SEAT, Skoda and Audi will need this oil. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- User Benefits Full warranty protection is provided by this approved engine oil when used in accordance with the VW instructions. Will provide maximum fuel consumption together with the highest possible protection against wear. Engine cleanliness is assured by high levels of dispercancy and detergency. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Performance Profile VW 505.01 VW 505.00 VW 500.00 API CH4 ACEA B3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Viscosity / Typical Characteristics 5w40 __________________ 2004 '54' Citroen Picasso 1.6 16v Desire HDI in Wicked Red 2004 '54' Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 CDTI Energy Ex Skoda owner Last edited by Chavyboy; 17-02-2004 at 11:23.

17-02-2004, 11:23	#16
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,044 Thanks: 46 Thanked 154 Times in 115 Posts	The comment about VW putting a different oil in the engine for running in is wrong. And I am surprised that Honest John didn't come out with his usual advice of changing the oil and filter every 5000 miles. PS: Millers XF PDE does NOT meet the spec for PD engines on variable service intervals, ie when fitted to the Octavia and Superb. Those engines need spec VW 506 01 oil, eg Castrol Longlife SLXII 0W-30. Nor does it meet the spec for other VW diesel engines also on variable service intervals since they need VW 506 00 oil. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP, Jabba rear ARB, and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.01 mpg... Last edited by DGW; 17-02-2004 at 11:30.

17-02-2004, 11:32	#17
Chavyboy Proud Dad Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Darkest Deepest Peterborough Posts: 3,789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	But Fabia's don't have variable service intervals do they ? unless they have changed it lately ? So what oil does everyone buy ? __________________ 2004 '54' Citroen Picasso 1.6 16v Desire HDI in Wicked Red 2004 '54' Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 CDTI Energy Ex Skoda owner

17-02-2004, 12:45	#19
Chavyboy Proud Dad Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Darkest Deepest Peterborough Posts: 3,789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Who can variable service limit them then ? __________________ 2004 '54' Citroen Picasso 1.6 16v Desire HDI in Wicked Red 2004 '54' Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 CDTI Energy Ex Skoda owner

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