ASR??? What is it :S

Pimpmyskodia · 28-10-2007, 13:55

Hi everyone, simple question, ive got a ASR switch on my dash which when pressed brings up a light on the dash which is a arrow going around in a circle and a wheel in the middle :S, i was told it was something to do with steering, making it very light or something, but when on i dont notice any differance in steering, any idea what it is, i would look in the handbook but i havnt got one :-(.

cheers

mbames · 28-10-2007, 14:01

some form of traction control... When the light is illuminated on the dash it means it is disabled....

Babs · 28-10-2007, 14:02

Anti Slip Regulation, aka Traction Control

ethos · 28-10-2007, 14:06

Get used to it coming on now the rain is here....

I must of had it come on about 6-7 times the other day! Not brave enough to turn it off yet!!!

Babs · 28-10-2007, 14:22

I turn it off if I need to get off a roundabout sharpish

Liverpool-Lad · 28-10-2007, 14:47

Its a crap system, just cuts power and leaves you with nothing for a brief period.

Basil · 28-10-2007, 14:50

[cynic mode on] Its the system put in to make 100% sure that if you have to get onto a roundabout sharpish, 90% engine power is cut unexpectedly and you are virtually guaranteed to be hit amidships.....

I turn mine off every trip after I put on my seatbelt tbh....

richm · 28-10-2007, 18:33

ironically there is more benefit in turning it off when it's wet

Personally I agree it's a crap system too, your foot works much better.

devonutopia · 28-10-2007, 18:54

I tried booting it off a roundabout in the wet with it on. Sure, got some slippage but the car still did corner. Then, tried it on the next one with it off. Mega wheelspin and a drift which seemed to continue after I'd eased off the gas. I prefer mine on in most situations. But in the wet conditions we've had in Devon today, there was no reason at all to be trying to hoof it anywhere. Too dangerous and against any kind of safe driving philosophy.

***DGW*** · 28-10-2007, 19:26

Quote from Octavia brochure:

ASR (Anti-Slip Regulation traction control) ensures the Octavia's stability when pulling away or accelerating. If the engine power or torque being transmitted to the drive wheels is too great, for example on a slippery road surface, engine torque is automatically reduced until optimum road-holding returns, thus preventing wheelspin. A light indicates whether the ASR is on. It can be manually switched off.

You can order a copy of the Octavia Owner's Manual from a Skoda dealer. The part number for the English manual is S6356102120 and the price circa £5.

Pimpmyskodia · 28-10-2007, 22:29

thanks people, i shall have to try it with it off sometime, thanks again.

richm · 28-10-2007, 22:39

There's no huge science to it - if you turn it off then the wheels will just spin when the engine torque exceeds available grip.
With ASR active, when engine torque exceeds available grip and wheels start to spin, the system shuts the throttle back until grip is regained.
Unfortunately it overdoes it and effectively shuts the engine down until grip is returned and then opens the throttle again (assuming the throttle pedal is still pressed to demand throttle opening). This often has more of a destabilising effect than the wheelspin would in the first place.
Personal preferences I guess, it doesn't represent much of a "safety" feature, more of a backstop in the event of the operator of the accelerator pedal not appreciating what is going on

I prefer to have it switched off in the main.

dstev2000 · 28-10-2007, 23:09

I have to agree, I never got on with ASR at all. It was all - nothing - all - nothing when trying to pull off briskly.

The Octavia II ESP is a huge improvement.

richm · 28-10-2007, 23:26

I gather that it is potentially possible to recode the ABS module with Vagcom, to disable the ASR totally and not bring the light on the dash.

dstev2000 · 28-10-2007, 23:38

I would suspect the ASR could be tinkered with VAG-COM.

I havent personally looked at it but there must be a software based method of killing it.

richm · 28-10-2007, 23:42

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=636764

Liverpool-Lad · 28-10-2007, 23:54

That sounds handy, at least then you wont have a blaring light on the dash.

Basil · 29-10-2007, 04:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by richm

VWvortex Forums: Disabling EDL and ASR

thanks! been looking for this for a while - will tinker away.....

Bas

smstext · 29-10-2007, 20:28

they have them on the vans at work, bloody dangerous in my opinion, especially when pulling out of junctions.

lordrobs · 29-10-2007, 21:10

I wouldn't mind it if there was a bit more consistency with it.

The other day I was showing a mate (who doesn't drive yet) what traction control does and after showing him the wonders of understeer and a couple of junctions with the front tyres scrabbling for grip I said "and this is what happens with it switched on, it just cuts all power"

So I give it a brisk pull away and get the briefest of flashes before shooting off, it was like bloody launch control

In the past I've had squeely launches with it right to the other extreme of being sat almost dead with the light flashing away like a strobe

I know its all in my head but the throttle response seems a touch sharper with it switched off

gmaster · 29-10-2007, 22:22

Well in the 5 months ive had my vrs i've never once seen it come on! either i drive like a granny or it dont work!

Liverpool-Lad · 29-10-2007, 22:41

Really? perhaps the bulb has gone or you really do drive like a granny

Try full bore in the wet and youll soon see.

GriffoDP · 30-10-2007, 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordrobs

I wouldn't mind it if there was a bit more consistency with it.

The other day I was showing a mate (who doesn't drive yet) what traction control does and after showing him the wonders of understeer and a couple of junctions with the front tyres scrabbling for grip I said "and this is what happens with it switched on, it just cuts all power"

So I give it a brisk pull away and get the briefest of flashes before shooting off, it was like bloody launch control

In the past I've had squeely launches with it right to the other extreme of being sat almost dead with the light flashing away like a strobe

I know its all in my head but the throttle response seems a touch sharper with it switched off

yes! I've taken to turning it off when I want assured fun, but sometimes when it does cut in, it's not too obtrusive and i don't lose more than enough power!

Having said that, it's pretty easy (so far!) to use the pedal and regulate the old power so i don't go sliding everywhere when it's off.

It amazes me that it does mess up though, i remember reading the Supra traction control virtually killed it, leaving you sitting there, you'd have thought they'd got it fixed by now... but I don't much know how it all calculates crap so never mind!

richm · 30-10-2007, 09:56

everything is exagerated when you have a turbocharger and utilise the throttle to control engine output. As the throttle closes the exhaust energy reduces and slows the turbine down, which has then got to spool up again when it comes back on - this process has such a timelag under those conditions that it's much more noticeable.
In turbo terms, it's much more responsive to reduce engine torque via ignition timing retard to keep gas flowing through the turbine, but that adds stress to the turbo/exhaust and extra noise.

gmaster · 30-10-2007, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liverpool-Lad

Really? perhaps the bulb has gone or you really do drive like a granny

Try full bore in the wet and youll soon see.

Don't think it's the bulb, if you turn it off it lights up on the dash.

28-10-2007, 13:55	#1
Pimpmyskodia Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 197 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	ASR??? What is it :S Hi everyone, simple question, ive got a ASR switch on my dash which when pressed brings up a light on the dash which is a arrow going around in a circle and a wheel in the middle :S, i was told it was something to do with steering, making it very light or something, but when on i dont notice any differance in steering, any idea what it is, i would look in the handbook but i havnt got one :-(. cheers

28-10-2007, 14:01	#2
mbames Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Weymouth, Dorset Posts: 1,620 Thanks: 0 Thanked 71 Times in 63 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S some form of traction control... When the light is illuminated on the dash it means it is disabled....

28-10-2007, 14:02	#3
Babs Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newport/Preston Posts: 4,153 Thanks: 216 Thanked 139 Times in 123 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S Anti Slip Regulation, aka Traction Control __________________ - Andrew Octavia vRS For Sale / Bosch Rotary Polisher For Sale

28-10-2007, 14:06	#4
ethos Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1,179 Thanks: 60 Thanked 37 Times in 33 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S Get used to it coming on now the rain is here.... I must of had it come on about 6-7 times the other day! Not brave enough to turn it off yet!!!

28-10-2007, 14:22	#5
Babs Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newport/Preston Posts: 4,153 Thanks: 216 Thanked 139 Times in 123 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S I turn it off if I need to get off a roundabout sharpish __________________ - Andrew Octavia vRS For Sale / Bosch Rotary Polisher For Sale

28-10-2007, 14:47	#6
Liverpool-Lad Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,642 Thanks: 12 Thanked 47 Times in 47 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S Its a crap system, just cuts power and leaves you with nothing for a brief period. __________________ 2001 Rally Red Octavia vRS...remap complete Whiteline rear ARB, Superpro dogbone bush - 225/45/17 Goodyear Eagle F1 Aysmmetrics and lots of V-Power! Smiles all 'round

28-10-2007, 14:50	#7
Basil Hardcore Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bahrain Posts: 3,257 Thanks: 200 Thanked 194 Times in 151 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S [cynic mode on] Its the system put in to make 100% sure that if you have to get onto a roundabout sharpish, 90% engine power is cut unexpectedly and you are virtually guaranteed to be hit amidships..... I turn mine off every trip after I put on my seatbelt tbh.... __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

28-10-2007, 18:33	#8
richm Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Melksham Posts: 540 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S ironically there is more benefit in turning it off when it's wet Personally I agree it's a crap system too, your foot works much better.

28-10-2007, 18:54	#9
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,082 Images: 5 Thanks: 75 Thanked 352 Times in 295 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S I tried booting it off a roundabout in the wet with it on. Sure, got some slippage but the car still did corner. Then, tried it on the next one with it off. Mega wheelspin and a drift which seemed to continue after I'd eased off the gas. I prefer mine on in most situations. But in the wet conditions we've had in Devon today, there was no reason at all to be trying to hoof it anywhere. Too dangerous and against any kind of safe driving philosophy. __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

28-10-2007, 19:26	#10
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,300 Thanks: 51 Thanked 208 Times in 157 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S Quote from Octavia brochure: ASR (Anti-Slip Regulation traction control) ensures the Octavia's stability when pulling away or accelerating. If the engine power or torque being transmitted to the drive wheels is too great, for example on a slippery road surface, engine torque is automatically reduced until optimum road-holding returns, thus preventing wheelspin. A light indicates whether the ASR is on. It can be manually switched off. You can order a copy of the Octavia Owner's Manual from a Skoda dealer. The part number for the English manual is S6356102120 and the price circa £5. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.57 mpg...

28-10-2007, 22:29	#11
Pimpmyskodia Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 197 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S thanks people, i shall have to try it with it off sometime, thanks again.

28-10-2007, 22:39	#12
richm Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Melksham Posts: 540 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S There's no huge science to it - if you turn it off then the wheels will just spin when the engine torque exceeds available grip. With ASR active, when engine torque exceeds available grip and wheels start to spin, the system shuts the throttle back until grip is regained. Unfortunately it overdoes it and effectively shuts the engine down until grip is returned and then opens the throttle again (assuming the throttle pedal is still pressed to demand throttle opening). This often has more of a destabilising effect than the wheelspin would in the first place. Personal preferences I guess, it doesn't represent much of a "safety" feature, more of a backstop in the event of the operator of the accelerator pedal not appreciating what is going on I prefer to have it switched off in the main.

28-10-2007, 23:09	#13
dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S I have to agree, I never got on with ASR at all. It was all - nothing - all - nothing when trying to pull off briskly. The Octavia II ESP is a huge improvement. __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard

28-10-2007, 23:26	#14
richm Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Melksham Posts: 540 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S I gather that it is potentially possible to recode the ABS module with Vagcom, to disable the ASR totally and not bring the light on the dash.

28-10-2007, 23:38	#15
dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S I would suspect the ASR could be tinkered with VAG-COM. I havent personally looked at it but there must be a software based method of killing it. __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard

28-10-2007, 23:42	#16
richm Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Melksham Posts: 540 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=636764

28-10-2007, 23:54	#17
Liverpool-Lad Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,642 Thanks: 12 Thanked 47 Times in 47 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S That sounds handy, at least then you wont have a blaring light on the dash. __________________ 2001 Rally Red Octavia vRS...remap complete Whiteline rear ARB, Superpro dogbone bush - 225/45/17 Goodyear Eagle F1 Aysmmetrics and lots of V-Power! Smiles all 'round

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smstext 2.0 FSI Sport. Join Date: May 2007 Location: oxon Posts: 9,669 Thanks: 11 Thanked 303 Times in 271 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S they have them on the vans at work, bloody dangerous in my opinion, especially when pulling out of junctions. __________________ Oxon Meet Feeler 2009 please add your input, click here

29-10-2007, 21:10	#20
lordrobs Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norwich Posts: 272 Thanks: 5 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S I wouldn't mind it if there was a bit more consistency with it. The other day I was showing a mate (who doesn't drive yet) what traction control does and after showing him the wonders of understeer and a couple of junctions with the front tyres scrabbling for grip I said "and this is what happens with it switched on, it just cuts all power" So I give it a brisk pull away and get the briefest of flashes before shooting off, it was like bloody launch control In the past I've had squeely launches with it right to the other extreme of being sat almost dead with the light flashing away like a strobe I know its all in my head but the throttle response seems a touch sharper with it switched off __________________

29-10-2007, 22:22	#21
gmaster Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Devon Posts: 565 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S Well in the 5 months ive had my vrs i've never once seen it come on! either i drive like a granny or it dont work! __________________ Black octy mk1 VRS... with some mods.

29-10-2007, 22:41	#22
Liverpool-Lad Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,642 Thanks: 12 Thanked 47 Times in 47 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S Really? perhaps the bulb has gone or you really do drive like a granny Try full bore in the wet and youll soon see. __________________ 2001 Rally Red Octavia vRS...remap complete Whiteline rear ARB, Superpro dogbone bush - 225/45/17 Goodyear Eagle F1 Aysmmetrics and lots of V-Power! Smiles all 'round

30-10-2007, 09:56	#24
richm Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Melksham Posts: 540 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts	Re: ASR??? What is it :S everything is exagerated when you have a turbocharger and utilise the throttle to control engine output. As the throttle closes the exhaust energy reduces and slows the turbine down, which has then got to spool up again when it comes back on - this process has such a timelag under those conditions that it's much more noticeable. In turbo terms, it's much more responsive to reduce engine torque via ignition timing retard to keep gas flowing through the turbine, but that adds stress to the turbo/exhaust and extra noise.

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