Brakes on a standard Octavia vRS

cra · 10-04-2005, 22:47

Am I the only one who thinks that the brakes on the Octy vRs can be somewhat lacking?

The plan is to get the Octy Jabba'ed next month and I reckon I'll need a brake upgrade to. I plan to go for the the Group N kit from Impreziv (I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone who has been down this route)

It looks like I'll be moving to Direct Line for my insurance who are cool with the BHP gain of the Jabba remap.

I know the rempa will, theoretically, mean that the warranty is void, but they'll have to discover that for themselves. What about the brake upgrade? Will I need to inform the insurance company? Will the brake upgrade invalidate the whole of the warranty or only those parts relating to the brakes?

Although I've owned a fair few fast cars in the past, this is the first time I have ever considered modifying one. All comments appreciated.

Cra

***ColinD*** · 10-04-2005, 23:08

1. Impreziv do not exist any more.

2. Brakes are fine, however the oem pads and fluid are not. Pad change and fluid change to the feredo DS2500's and castrol super dot 4.1 will have you very confident again.
Should you require disks then personalyl I'm using the black diamond drilled and grooved with no complaints in 15k of driving.

Technically an modification invalidates your warranty. Most dealers are fair and sensible. Brakes are the most invisible of modifications other than the pad name

I'm not sure if you need to tell them for different pads and fluids...I've told mine as I'm on different disks.

I personally brought mine for the reliability of the VAG engine and systems oh and the right price tag...in 53k miles I've had coild packs and roll bar issues..the rest is as they say touching large lumps of wood, ok.

**delcac** · 11-04-2005, 08:09

Sejoc (Essex) who used to supply the Group N discs have stopped making them and Impreziv have disappeared off the face.

My choice would be the Black Diamond's or 3G's with DS2500 pads and Silcolene Pro Race fluid (expensive), never had any issues with the hoses even with some brisk driving.

**mannyo** · 11-04-2005, 08:20

Am I the only one who gets on ok with the standard disks and pads. I still have the original pads fitted at the factory along with the original disks, they smoke a lot after a couple of laps of the nurburgring but still seem effective. I am just coming upto 48K miles and have yet to change them.

PaulC · 11-04-2005, 09:25

dont have any probs with my standard brakes either.

SilveRS · 11-04-2005, 12:42

I thought the standard set-up was good for normal spirited driving and shedding speed quickly for short bursts. They do fade when shedding lots of speed and over a longer period but then this was infrequent, and I avoided doing it, hence the short sharp bursts of speed reduction. When I px'd mine at 43k the standard brakes and pads were still on.

Try changing the oem pads before replacing the disks.

DaveU · 11-04-2005, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannyo

Am I the only one who gets on ok with the standard disks and pads. I still have the original pads fitted at the factory along with the original disks, they smoke a lot after a couple of laps of the nurburgring but still seem effective. I am just coming upto 48K miles and have yet to change them.

You clearly don't drive hard enough Manny

I got the Impreziv group N kit before they disappeared and it's great! I did lap after lap after lap at Brunters last year with no probs at all... Pads, fluid and discs

GaryM · 11-04-2005, 19:14

I found the standard 312mm (as fitted to Octy vRS) brakes faded quite badly when overly used, they did not inspire confidence at all.
However I was running with standard discs, pads and fluid.

I would say if you were thinking of getting remapped then you should take the chance to upgrade to 2pots (R32) at least.

jason · 11-04-2005, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannyo

Am I the only one who gets on ok with the standard disks and pads. I still have the original pads fitted at the factory along with the original disks, they smoke a lot after a couple of laps of the nurburgring but still seem effective. I am just coming upto 48K miles and have yet to change them.

changed mine at 40 ish k(with no ring trips

) i have gone to pagids now and it may be the new pad feel but they are a fair bit better.
though couldn't knock the stanard set up,they deffinately work ,its a big car

jason · 11-04-2005, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryM

I would say if you were thinking of getting remapped then you should take the chance to upgrade to 2pots (R32) at least.

did wonder if they would fit?? whats the discs size?will they slap straight on

appols for the hijack

GaryM · 11-04-2005, 22:07

James from JBS has them on his Octy, said they were much better than Brembo's for some reason.

I think the discs are 334x32mm and I know they will fit behind a 17" Santa Monica Alloy.

jason · 11-04-2005, 22:22

mmm idea's come flooding in cheers

KentStu · 12-04-2005, 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannyo

Am I the only one who gets on ok with the standard disks and pads. I still have the original pads fitted at the factory along with the original disks, they smoke a lot after a couple of laps of the nurburgring but still seem effective. I am just coming upto 48K miles and have yet to change them.

I personally have found them to be pretty decent for an original set up - and althought they faded a bit at Brunters I didn't think it was too bad. Mine is 47,000 miles and I changed pads all round and front disks last week.

Anton_g · 12-04-2005, 23:51

All i'd be inclined to say is haven't tried black diammond disks but i've got some black diammond predator pads on my vrs and they are an absolute waste of time and money - avoid at all costs!!! They're about to get binned as they faided and were pretty much on fire after a bit of spirited driving on the welsh race tracks!!

What do people reckon to the pagid fast road pads?

sixman9 · 13-04-2005, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anton_g

<snip>
What do people reckon to the pagid fast road pads?

Hopefully, I'll tell you Saturday evening (like you're really going to wait

).

I've just picked up some Pagids and ATE Powerdiscs (lightly grooved OEM replacements) which I'm hoping to fit on Saturday. I don't do any track, so I'm putting in some dot 4.1 brake fluid (Castrol from Halfords?) as I've read that the dot 5 stuff needs to be changed more frequently, and I do a lot of miles (2000/mnth). I really wantbetter stopping than OEM for little more cash, of course, but also that the grooves will expell water more quickly in the wet, which is one of my pet hates.

Rich

jason · 13-04-2005, 22:20

i have had pagids on my last 3 cars.i have had one worrying set,they seemed a bit vague,but when i upgraded the discs and fluid they were reassuring,i doubt they have the stopping poer of ds2500 for example,but for the money and if you don't do track days or not very often,for the money they are very very good.
had ebc green stuff and binned them asap,very scary until hot.
would recommend pagids,though when funds allow i'm going to see what all this ds2500 hype is about,not heard a bad word against them .

cra · 20-04-2005, 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColinD

1. Impreziv do not exist any more.

2. Brakes are fine, however the oem pads and fluid are not. Pad change and fluid change to the feredo DS2500's and castrol super dot 4.1 will have you very confident again.
Should you require disks then personalyl I'm using the black diamond drilled and grooved with no complaints in 15k of driving.

Technically an modification invalidates your warranty. Most dealers are fair and sensible. Brakes are the most invisible of modifications other than the pad name

I'm not sure if you need to tell them for different pads and fluids...I've told mine as I'm on different disks.

I personally brought mine for the reliability of the VAG engine and systems oh and the right price tag...in 53k miles I've had coild packs and roll bar issues..the rest is as they say touching large lumps of wood, ok.

Hi ColinD

Any idea where I can buy the ds2500 pads and fluid online?

Sorry for being thick but I have no experience of mods to cars at all. Will Jabba fit these when I get my car remapped?

Cheers

Cra

***ColinD*** · 20-04-2005, 14:28

Cra,

Best bet IMHO is Demon Tweaks or call: Dave Poole @DT and you might / should get a discount.

Calipers are fine on the Octy, pad compound and discs coupled with a high temprature fluid = no worries on braking.

Put it this way a 240+bhp scoobie was holding me up for 10+ laps on anglesey because I was catching him on the braking and cornering, and I'm 40 less bhp than him, so could not do it on the short straights

.

Black Diamond discs for me have been superb, pads however, I have no idea as I avoided them as an unknown quantity.

Pagid, hopefully we will have a promotion in place for pagid pads soon! They are equally as good as the 2500's (blue) if your after that level of performance.

As with all power mods I would suggest brakes are done ASAP or before. All good pads will generate heat, this will kill your OEM fluid and once boiled it's as good as useless. 6 hard stops is enough boil oem fluid or < 2 laps of a sprint circuit.

Fluid costs around 7 to 8 pounds litre, budget for 2 litres and 30 pounds to flush at your local tuner.

Good pads = a lot of heat, put DS2500 or Pagid blues on OEM fluid and you will have a very soft pedal very quickly.

The draw back to good pad / disc brakes is the plonkers up yer bum on the roads.

Do bed the DS2500's in properly, I had new discs at the same time so did 60-100 miles gently braking, then another 100 to the track...handed the keys to Jon for 6 100 to 20 fairly hard stops. Only managed 4 before old fluid that was meant to be flushed boiled.

SkodiRS · 20-04-2005, 14:38

Castrol Response Dot4.1 from Halfrauds will be fine....can never remember the bottle size but it's about £12/bottle.

But if you want to splash the cash and get the best then Silkolene Race 2000.....apparently the dogs daggly bits.

***ColinD*** · 20-04-2005, 14:40

Castrol is compatabile so it's not vital to get every last bit of the old stuff out. The Silkolene sadly does require a cleaner system, thus it will use more and IIRC it's 25quid a litre, but it is good

10-04-2005, 22:47	#1
cra Briskodian Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 378 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Brakes on a standard Octavia vRS Am I the only one who thinks that the brakes on the Octy vRs can be somewhat lacking? The plan is to get the Octy Jabba'ed next month and I reckon I'll need a brake upgrade to. I plan to go for the the Group N kit from Impreziv (I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone who has been down this route) It looks like I'll be moving to Direct Line for my insurance who are cool with the BHP gain of the Jabba remap. I know the rempa will, theoretically, mean that the warranty is void, but they'll have to discover that for themselves. What about the brake upgrade? Will I need to inform the insurance company? Will the brake upgrade invalidate the whole of the warranty or only those parts relating to the brakes? Although I've owned a fair few fast cars in the past, this is the first time I have ever considered modifying one. All comments appreciated. Cra

10-04-2005, 23:08	#2
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,297 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 26 Thanked 174 Times in 80 Posts	1. Impreziv do not exist any more. 2. Brakes are fine, however the oem pads and fluid are not. Pad change and fluid change to the feredo DS2500's and castrol super dot 4.1 will have you very confident again. Should you require disks then personalyl I'm using the black diamond drilled and grooved with no complaints in 15k of driving. Technically an modification invalidates your warranty. Most dealers are fair and sensible. Brakes are the most invisible of modifications other than the pad name I'm not sure if you need to tell them for different pads and fluids...I've told mine as I'm on different disks. I personally brought mine for the reliability of the VAG engine and systems oh and the right price tag...in 53k miles I've had coild packs and roll bar issues..the rest is as they say touching large lumps of wood, ok. __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

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delcac Still a **** Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chatham, Kent Posts: 7,396 Members Car: A red one Images: 3 Thanks: 17 Thanked 70 Times in 55 Posts	Sejoc (Essex) who used to supply the Group N discs have stopped making them and Impreziv have disappeared off the face. My choice would be the Black Diamond's or 3G's with DS2500 pads and Silcolene Pro Race fluid (expensive), never had any issues with the hoses even with some brisk driving. __________________ The Red Devil

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mannyo BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Stevenage Herts. Posts: 11,467 Members Car: Octavia 2.0 TDi Elegance Thanks: 58 Thanked 359 Times in 330 Posts	Am I the only one who gets on ok with the standard disks and pads. I still have the original pads fitted at the factory along with the original disks, they smoke a lot after a couple of laps of the nurburgring but still seem effective. I am just coming upto 48K miles and have yet to change them. __________________ Manny 2005 Octavia 2.0TDi Elegance combi my skoda website http://www.octaviars.co.uk Join the briskoda.net folding team click Here for more info

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GaryM Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nr Manchester Posts: 330 Members Car: 53 VW Golf GTI 1.8T 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I found the standard 312mm (as fitted to Octy vRS) brakes faded quite badly when overly used, they did not inspire confidence at all. However I was running with standard discs, pads and fluid. I would say if you were thinking of getting remapped then you should take the chance to upgrade to 2pots (R32) at least. __________________

11-04-2005, 09:25	#5
PaulC Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nuneaton UK Posts: 1,168 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	dont have any probs with my standard brakes either.

11-04-2005, 12:42	#6
SilveRS Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Manchester Posts: 638 Members Car: OctaviaII 2.0 TDI DSG L&K Estate Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I thought the standard set-up was good for normal spirited driving and shedding speed quickly for short bursts. They do fade when shedding lots of speed and over a longer period but then this was infrequent, and I avoided doing it, hence the short sharp bursts of speed reduction. When I px'd mine at 43k the standard brakes and pads were still on. Try changing the oem pads before replacing the disks.

11-04-2005, 22:07	#11
GaryM Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nr Manchester Posts: 330 Members Car: 53 VW Golf GTI 1.8T 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	James from JBS has them on his Octy, said they were much better than Brembo's for some reason. I think the discs are 334x32mm and I know they will fit behind a 17" Santa Monica Alloy. __________________

11-04-2005, 22:22	#12
jason Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: shropshire Posts: 1,914 Members Car: skoda octavia VRS Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	mmm idea's come flooding in cheers __________________ louder than war

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Anton_g Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Brisol Posts: 40 Members Car: silver octavia vrs Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	All i'd be inclined to say is haven't tried black diammond disks but i've got some black diammond predator pads on my vrs and they are an absolute waste of time and money - avoid at all costs!!! They're about to get binned as they faided and were pretty much on fire after a bit of spirited driving on the welsh race tracks!! What do people reckon to the pagid fast road pads? __________________ The consensus is that forward is better

13-04-2005, 22:20	#16
jason Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: shropshire Posts: 1,914 Members Car: skoda octavia VRS Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	i have had pagids on my last 3 cars.i have had one worrying set,they seemed a bit vague,but when i upgraded the discs and fluid they were reassuring,i doubt they have the stopping poer of ds2500 for example,but for the money and if you don't do track days or not very often,for the money they are very very good. had ebc green stuff and binned them asap,very scary until hot. would recommend pagids,though when funds allow i'm going to see what all this ds2500 hype is about,not heard a bad word against them . __________________ louder than war

20-04-2005, 14:28	#18
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,297 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 26 Thanked 174 Times in 80 Posts	Cra, Best bet IMHO is Demon Tweaks or call: Dave Poole @DT and you might / should get a discount. Calipers are fine on the Octy, pad compound and discs coupled with a high temprature fluid = no worries on braking. Put it this way a 240+bhp scoobie was holding me up for 10+ laps on anglesey because I was catching him on the braking and cornering, and I'm 40 less bhp than him, so could not do it on the short straights . Black Diamond discs for me have been superb, pads however, I have no idea as I avoided them as an unknown quantity. Pagid, hopefully we will have a promotion in place for pagid pads soon! They are equally as good as the 2500's (blue) if your after that level of performance. As with all power mods I would suggest brakes are done ASAP or before. All good pads will generate heat, this will kill your OEM fluid and once boiled it's as good as useless. 6 hard stops is enough boil oem fluid or < 2 laps of a sprint circuit. Fluid costs around 7 to 8 pounds litre, budget for 2 litres and 30 pounds to flush at your local tuner. Good pads = a lot of heat, put DS2500 or Pagid blues on OEM fluid and you will have a very soft pedal very quickly. The draw back to good pad / disc brakes is the plonkers up yer bum on the roads. Do bed the DS2500's in properly, I had new discs at the same time so did 60-100 miles gently braking, then another 100 to the track...handed the keys to Jon for 6 100 to 20 fairly hard stops. Only managed 4 before old fluid that was meant to be flushed boiled. __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views. Last edited by ColinD; 20-04-2005 at 14:30.

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SkodiRS BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: darkest Hampshire Posts: 8,650 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	Castrol Response Dot4.1 from Halfrauds will be fine....can never remember the bottle size but it's about £12/bottle. But if you want to splash the cash and get the best then Silkolene Race 2000.....apparently the dogs daggly bits. __________________ Adrian.

20-04-2005, 14:40	#20
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,297 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 26 Thanked 174 Times in 80 Posts	Castrol is compatabile so it's not vital to get every last bit of the old stuff out. The Silkolene sadly does require a cleaner system, thus it will use more and IIRC it's 25quid a litre, but it is good __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

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