Cambelt - Use Genuine?

morgan349 · 24-05-2007, 15:12

Getting quotes for cambelt on my octy and quotes obviously vary between using a main Skoda dealer and a specialist.

I've found that for cambelt & waterpump to difference can be up to £100-140...quite a bit - 6 months tax!

The specialist uses parts from people like swedish & german parts/europarts etc and the parts have the same supplier marking, but I'm hesitant about using non skoda branded parts (ie those that would be used at a dealer).

Should I worry about using Genuine or non Genuine SKoda parts?

ap0gee · 24-05-2007, 15:21

If they're made by the same supplier, I wouldn't worry personally. I've been happy non-OEM supplier parts in the past as well as OEM supplier parts like the cambelt you mention, but I'd never get them for anything with any safety or reliability significance... IIRC, the specialist where I used to get my car done had a big book of approved parts for VAG cars - I've never looked in it, but there's an implication there that the parts are suitable and of comparable quality even if they've not got a VAG logo on...

TeflonTom · 24-05-2007, 17:01

vw use belts which are manufactured by Gates Auomaster. you can normally buy these from any decent motor factors (same belts but without vw part number on it) at about half the price

Blanes · 26-05-2007, 13:13

WARNING!

I had a Cambelt fitted at 55K and it went at 76k - not a genuine skoda one - and a costly exercise as the garage (local) were not in businesa anymore so I couldnt sue their arses!

My advice - go to a main dealer where the work will be guaranteed - Just my personal experience and I bet loads of you out there have got non genuine skoda belts that have gone on for miles with no probs

cheezemonkhai · 26-05-2007, 13:20

I think what you have to be very careful of is that whoever fits it, fits the whole kit including tensioners and not just the belt.

I think this will be where blanes problem comes from as a belt coming off almost certainly means it either snapped or lost tension.

I would say the GSF parts made by the same people as VAGs as a full kit inc tensioners, and a new water pump while you are at it would be fine.

I would probably use a decent local indy.

When I was looking at it for my car JKM were quoting a smidge over £300 using genuine parts and a water pump, against a dealer asking for more like £450.

***DGW*** · 29-05-2007, 09:38

The advantages of having the work done by a Skoda dealer are that all work carried out is warranted against faulty workmanship for a period of 12 months or 12,000 miles, whichever comes first, plus all genuine parts used have a 12-month warranty from date of installation or sale.

KenONeill · 29-05-2007, 12:48

As a general point, IME GSF (when they supply exactly what you ordered) generally supply <car maker> OEM parts in boxes whch say <OEM> rather than <car maker>.

f1btn · 29-05-2007, 14:46

i'd go genuine cam belt gsf water pump (as they have a metal impeller) thats what we did with the octy! no problems yet!

dnphillips · 30-05-2007, 12:46

Thats what I am doing, gsf water pump, genuine belt, fitted at local independent. £100 less than local dealer.

Wayne Kerr · 30-05-2007, 16:59

Mines booked in tomorrow.
Skoda Motoline - £257.odd. inc VAT. Water pump being fitted at the same time for just the cost of the pump (35 squids IIRC).

Hoddhead · 30-05-2007, 20:54

[quote=cheezemonkhai;927682]I think what you have to be very careful of is that whoever fits it, fits the whole kit including tensioners and not just the belt.

I think this will be where blanes problem comes from as a belt coming off almost certainly means it either snapped or lost tension.

Agree entirely. I got mine done at a local independent..12000 miles later the tensioner gave up..of course they hadn't changed it. To be fair I hadn't known that it needed to be done...if only I'd found Briskoda before then I'd be £550 richer, after having to have the belt, tensioners, rollers all changed.

An expensive exercise.

Wayne Kerr · 30-05-2007, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGW

The advantages of having the work done by a Skoda dealer are that all work carried out is warranted against faulty workmanship for a period of 12 months or 12,000 miles, whichever comes first, plus all genuine parts used have a 12-month warranty from date of installation or sale.

DGW has it in a nut-shell.

Blanes · 30-05-2007, 21:04

£2100
Thats how much I'm being charged for a new head + valves+ Cambelt - VAT and Labour - Just heard today.

Yeah apparently it was a non genuine belt - tensioners were changed - but somehow it came loose and came off -

Can't believe the cost -

What a sh*t!

There goes my savings and the chance to buy a new motor anytime soon!

I've had loads of cambelts done in local garages and they have all been fine - Just this time Sods law kicked in -

Make sure if you have one done its a reputable "GOOD" local garage

I might e-mail skoda UK and grovel for them to pay a little towards it - you never know! Live and learn......

Wayne Kerr · 30-05-2007, 21:15

Life is Crape at times mate,

This site may well serve others ,,,, if only they look & learn.

TeflonTom · 30-05-2007, 23:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blanes

but somehow it came loose and came off -

might not have been caused by the belt.... could be that a tensioner wasn't done up tight, or a loose cam/crank sprocket...

it's really annoying tho

ap0gee · 31-05-2007, 08:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Kerr

DGW has it in a nut-shell.

Yes, but "genuine parts" means the plastic water pump impeller. Having seen the state of one that was removed (in several pieces), as someone posted on here recently, there are benefits of having it done at an independent (but one that knows what they're doing!) who'll fit the non-standard metal impeller...

You pays your money and takes your choice...

iain · 31-05-2007, 12:49

I know a few years ago on VW engines that there was so little difference in cost on the genuine and non that it was worth buying the puker one for the markings on the cambelt. not sure if it is still the same now

cheezemonkhai · 31-05-2007, 13:19

You might be able to go to a breakers and get a second hand engine for a lot less money than that.

Wayne Kerr · 01-06-2007, 08:15

Got my water pump from GSF (£21.00) yesterday, the metal impeller pump has now been phased out in favor of a new improved plastic one.
Skoda (£35.00) also confirmed that the new plastic pump has been improved!

24-05-2007, 15:12	#1
morgan349 Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27 Members Car: Octy vRS Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cambelt - Use Genuine? Getting quotes for cambelt on my octy and quotes obviously vary between using a main Skoda dealer and a specialist. I've found that for cambelt & waterpump to difference can be up to £100-140...quite a bit - 6 months tax! The specialist uses parts from people like swedish & german parts/europarts etc and the parts have the same supplier marking, but I'm hesitant about using non skoda branded parts (ie those that would be used at a dealer). Should I worry about using Genuine or non Genuine SKoda parts?

24-05-2007, 15:21	#2
ap0gee ASZ Eternal Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Leafy Chesh-shire Posts: 6,862 Members Car: Black Magic Fabia vRS Thanks: 346 Thanked 366 Times in 317 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? If they're made by the same supplier, I wouldn't worry personally. I've been happy non-OEM supplier parts in the past as well as OEM supplier parts like the cambelt you mention, but I'd never get them for anything with any safety or reliability significance... IIRC, the specialist where I used to get my car done had a big book of approved parts for VAG cars - I've never looked in it, but there's an implication there that the parts are suitable and of comparable quality even if they've not got a VAG logo on... __________________

24-05-2007, 17:01	#3
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? vw use belts which are manufactured by Gates Auomaster. you can normally buy these from any decent motor factors (same belts but without vw part number on it) at about half the price

26-05-2007, 13:13	#4
Blanes Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 233 Members Car: Octavia 1.9 TDI 110 Thanks: 17 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? WARNING! I had a Cambelt fitted at 55K and it went at 76k - not a genuine skoda one - and a costly exercise as the garage (local) were not in businesa anymore so I couldnt sue their arses! My advice - go to a main dealer where the work will be guaranteed - Just my personal experience and I bet loads of you out there have got non genuine skoda belts that have gone on for miles with no probs Last edited by Blanes; 30-05-2007 at 21:07.

26-05-2007, 13:20	#5
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,575 Members Car: Thanks: 111 Thanked 512 Times in 475 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? I think what you have to be very careful of is that whoever fits it, fits the whole kit including tensioners and not just the belt. I think this will be where blanes problem comes from as a belt coming off almost certainly means it either snapped or lost tension. I would say the GSF parts made by the same people as VAGs as a full kit inc tensioners, and a new water pump while you are at it would be fine. I would probably use a decent local indy. When I was looking at it for my car JKM were quoting a smidge over £300 using genuine parts and a water pump, against a dealer asking for more like £450. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

29-05-2007, 09:38	#6
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,299 Members Car: Octavia 1.8T 4X4 Estate & Fabia vRS Thanks: 51 Thanked 207 Times in 156 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? The advantages of having the work done by a Skoda dealer are that all work carried out is warranted against faulty workmanship for a period of 12 months or 12,000 miles, whichever comes first, plus all genuine parts used have a 12-month warranty from date of installation or sale. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.57 mpg...

29-05-2007, 12:48	#7
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally in Scotland! Posts: 11,165 Members Car: Octavia TDi110 Thanks: 63 Thanked 558 Times in 546 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? As a general point, IME GSF (when they supply exactly what you ordered) generally supply <car maker> OEM parts in boxes whch say <OEM> rather than <car maker>.

29-05-2007, 14:46	#8
f1btn Site Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: brighton Posts: 177 Members Car: octavia vrs 03 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? i'd go genuine cam belt gsf water pump (as they have a metal impeller) thats what we did with the octy! no problems yet! __________________

30-05-2007, 12:46	#9
dnphillips Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South UK Posts: 38 Members Car: Golf GTI, swmbo Octy VRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? Thats what I am doing, gsf water pump, genuine belt, fitted at local independent. £100 less than local dealer.

30-05-2007, 16:59	#10
Wayne Kerr Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NW Kent Posts: 931 Members Car: Metalic Black 1.8T 4x4 Estate Thanks: 9 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? Mines booked in tomorrow. Skoda Motoline - £257.odd. inc VAT. Water pump being fitted at the same time for just the cost of the pump (35 squids IIRC). __________________ Deli G ,,,, leader of the Peckham Massif! KW Coilovers fitted, Forge TIP fitted, KK fitted, Blueflame full system fitted, CAI fitted, Forge 007 D/V fitted, PBVH4 fitted, Forge adjustable rear tie bars fitted, FMIC fitted, 312's fitted, Tints fitted. Was that a 4x4 Skoda??? It's IMPOSSIBLE! 197.2 BHP & 263.1Nm

30-05-2007, 20:54	#11
Hoddhead Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 53 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? [quote=cheezemonkhai;927682]I think what you have to be very careful of is that whoever fits it, fits the whole kit including tensioners and not just the belt. I think this will be where blanes problem comes from as a belt coming off almost certainly means it either snapped or lost tension. Agree entirely. I got mine done at a local independent..12000 miles later the tensioner gave up..of course they hadn't changed it. To be fair I hadn't known that it needed to be done...if only I'd found Briskoda before then I'd be £550 richer, after having to have the belt, tensioners, rollers all changed. An expensive exercise.

30-05-2007, 21:04	#13
Blanes Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 233 Members Car: Octavia 1.9 TDI 110 Thanks: 17 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? £2100 Thats how much I'm being charged for a new head + valves+ Cambelt - VAT and Labour - Just heard today. Yeah apparently it was a non genuine belt - tensioners were changed - but somehow it came loose and came off - Can't believe the cost - What a sh*t! There goes my savings and the chance to buy a new motor anytime soon! I've had loads of cambelts done in local garages and they have all been fine - Just this time Sods law kicked in - Make sure if you have one done its a reputable "GOOD" local garage I might e-mail skoda UK and grovel for them to pay a little towards it - you never know! Live and learn......

30-05-2007, 21:15	#14
Wayne Kerr Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NW Kent Posts: 931 Members Car: Metalic Black 1.8T 4x4 Estate Thanks: 9 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? Life is Crape at times mate, This site may well serve others ,,,, if only they look & learn. __________________ Deli G ,,,, leader of the Peckham Massif! KW Coilovers fitted, Forge TIP fitted, KK fitted, Blueflame full system fitted, CAI fitted, Forge 007 D/V fitted, PBVH4 fitted, Forge adjustable rear tie bars fitted, FMIC fitted, 312's fitted, Tints fitted. Was that a 4x4 Skoda??? It's IMPOSSIBLE! 197.2 BHP & 263.1Nm

31-05-2007, 12:49	#17
iain Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the great north west Posts: 227 Members Car: octavia Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? I know a few years ago on VW engines that there was so little difference in cost on the genuine and non that it was worth buying the puker one for the markings on the cambelt. not sure if it is still the same now

31-05-2007, 13:19	#18
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,575 Members Car: Thanks: 111 Thanked 512 Times in 475 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? You might be able to go to a breakers and get a second hand engine for a lot less money than that. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

01-06-2007, 08:15	#19
Wayne Kerr Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NW Kent Posts: 931 Members Car: Metalic Black 1.8T 4x4 Estate Thanks: 9 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Cambelt - Use Genuine? Got my water pump from GSF (£21.00) yesterday, the metal impeller pump has now been phased out in favor of a new improved plastic one. Skoda (£35.00) also confirmed that the new plastic pump has been improved! __________________ Deli G ,,,, leader of the Peckham Massif! KW Coilovers fitted, Forge TIP fitted, KK fitted, Blueflame full system fitted, CAI fitted, Forge 007 D/V fitted, PBVH4 fitted, Forge adjustable rear tie bars fitted, FMIC fitted, 312's fitted, Tints fitted. Was that a 4x4 Skoda??? It's IMPOSSIBLE! 197.2 BHP & 263.1Nm

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