Gearchange problem

bjorn · 30-11-2007, 01:20

Hi all,

Just recently I have began experiencing the odd gearchange problem, originally it started when shifting into 5th but now getting it going to 3rd too. It is random, and happens occassionally but have noticed it twice now when accelerating swiftly it seems to happen more.

80% of the time 3rd and 5th are smooth as per the other gears, its just on occasions and its hard to explain it feels like there is something in the way when you try and change?? dumb explanation I know, it doesn't crunch in the normal as I'd expext or nowt - just feels like its the gears not there and something rubbery is in the way.

I was planning to get the transmission fluid changed, but wondered if there any other suggestions as to what this weird and random problem may be?

Cheers in advance

KenONeill · 30-11-2007, 13:10

Could it just be that you're not moving the lever quite enough before letting the clutch back up? I know I occasionally get this problem too, and that's actually all it is; I'm not engaging the gear fully due to the box having slightly too much forward throw into 1 3 and 5.
Changing the gear oil (but do not use Silkoline; it just doesn't work in VAG boxes) is a good idea anyway.

bjorn · 30-11-2007, 16:30

Hi Ken - thanks

- I thought the same, but when accelerating on the motorway, changing from 4th to 5th the problem occurred I depressed the clutch 3 times to get it in to 5th

After speaking to the wife, it does seem okay on normal driving - but spirited acceleration seems to cause it now and again??

Could there be a engine mount/bush or something thats causing the linkage to misalign? Seems strange its 3rd and 5th (both forward gears on the gear selector)

KenONeill · 30-11-2007, 16:33

Could be the "dogbone" bush then. Run a search on the term.

f1btn · 30-11-2007, 17:36

engine mounts or dogbone mount

bjorn · 01-12-2007, 11:52

cheers guys - she's in for cambelt and water pump Monday so will get the mounts looked at then

mbames · 01-12-2007, 16:14

I have had problems with gettign 5th a couple of times recently (each time on a dual carriageway) - just the same issue, like there is something rubbery in the way to stop me getting the gear....

at 123k it probably wants some new engine mounts and a gear box oil change..... it might get them once I have done the tyres and wheel bearings!

bjorn · 01-12-2007, 18:16

Think we have the same issue mate - as that is exactly what I get, a rubbery type resitance

leeVRS0252 · 25-04-2008, 22:36

i am havin exactly the same trouble as you guys, but after driving it into town this evening i could no longer get 5th gear and was havin trouble getting 3rd.
on route back home i lost 3rd gear altogether so was having to drive just using 1st 2nd and 4th, not fun at all !!!

anyone managed to resolve this problem or found out what is causing the problem ??

KenONeill · 28-04-2008, 09:10

Check the "dogbone" mount for play, and replace if necessary. Then check the linkage adjustment. Finally, get a garage to change the gearbox oil (1. You'll know why I say this if you've ever smelt used gear oil. 2. Don't use Silkolene as the new oil; VAG gearboxes don't like it).

At some point in this sequence, you will probably cure the problem.

Basil · 28-04-2008, 10:06

since the car was new 3rd gear occasionally refuses to engage at all, when taking a really hard left winding turn.
Have realigned cables and strengthened the dogbone to no avail. Gearbox oil was changed when I fitted a peloquin ATB - OEM VAG stuff..
Wonder how sideways gravity stops 3rd gear from engaging???

PITA to miss a smooth gearshift into 3rd and delay while driving briskly...

Any thoughts?

Thanks
Bas

KenONeill · 28-04-2008, 11:09

Well Bas, I've never had this one, but then I don't believe in changing gear whilst turning really hard; it destabilises the car (really: Anyone who doubts this can have a "play" on a quiet roundabout, at their own risk).

The only thing I can think is that the side-loading is loading the selector forks or balk rings, and stopping them engaging the gear smoothly.

Basil · 28-04-2008, 12:25

thanks for the comments/advice Ken!

On a really big roundabout, I'll try to plan ahead and granny change in advance...

Bas

KenONeill · 28-04-2008, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basil

thanks for the comments/advice Ken!

On a really big roundabout, I'll try to plan ahead and granny change in advance...

Bas

If you're doing it to keep from either revving out or having to change gear in mid-corner, it's called "short-shifting", not "granny shifting".

Basil · 28-04-2008, 14:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenONeill

If you're doing it to keep from either revving out or having to change gear in mid-corner, it's called "short-shifting", not "granny shifting".

Thanks for the correction

- but at my age - it's granny shifting

Cheers

Bas

KenONeill · 28-04-2008, 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basil

Thanks for the correction

- but at my age - it's granny shifting

Cheers

Bas

How old are you? I'm 46, and never granny shift!

pigfarmer99 · 28-04-2008, 14:15

Mines the other way round. Bimbling about and 5th is a sod to get into sometimes. Drive like a Finnish rally driver and its fine.
2nd gear is lumpy going in - just the same as my siroccos, golfs, in fact, EVERY FWD VAG car I've ever driven.

KenONeill · 28-04-2008, 14:26

Ah, for sure that is it for sure. Car is super-fantastic; next stage maximum attack!

leeVRS0252 · 02-05-2008, 22:08

any of the above managed to get this problem sorted ?

im going to have a look at mine tomorrow but not sure what to try yet

30-11-2007, 01:20	#1
bjorn Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 130 Members Car: 2001 Skoda Octavia vRS Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Gearchange problem Hi all, Just recently I have began experiencing the odd gearchange problem, originally it started when shifting into 5th but now getting it going to 3rd too. It is random, and happens occassionally but have noticed it twice now when accelerating swiftly it seems to happen more. 80% of the time 3rd and 5th are smooth as per the other gears, its just on occasions and its hard to explain it feels like there is something in the way when you try and change?? dumb explanation I know, it doesn't crunch in the normal as I'd expext or nowt - just feels like its the gears not there and something rubbery is in the way. I was planning to get the transmission fluid changed, but wondered if there any other suggestions as to what this weird and random problem may be? Cheers in advance __________________ 2001 Skoda Octavia vRS Blueflame Catback Exhaust, CAI, Forge TIP, Forge 007 Valve, N75j, Weitec Dampers and Springs, WRC Spoiler, WRC Graphics.

30-11-2007, 13:10	#2
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally in Scotland! Posts: 11,213 Members Car: Octavia TDi110 Thanks: 65 Thanked 561 Times in 549 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem Could it just be that you're not moving the lever quite enough before letting the clutch back up? I know I occasionally get this problem too, and that's actually all it is; I'm not engaging the gear fully due to the box having slightly too much forward throw into 1 3 and 5. Changing the gear oil (but do not use Silkoline; it just doesn't work in VAG boxes) is a good idea anyway.

30-11-2007, 16:30	#3
bjorn Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 130 Members Car: 2001 Skoda Octavia vRS Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem Hi Ken - thanks - I thought the same, but when accelerating on the motorway, changing from 4th to 5th the problem occurred I depressed the clutch 3 times to get it in to 5th After speaking to the wife, it does seem okay on normal driving - but spirited acceleration seems to cause it now and again?? Could there be a engine mount/bush or something thats causing the linkage to misalign? Seems strange its 3rd and 5th (both forward gears on the gear selector) __________________ 2001 Skoda Octavia vRS Blueflame Catback Exhaust, CAI, Forge TIP, Forge 007 Valve, N75j, Weitec Dampers and Springs, WRC Spoiler, WRC Graphics.

30-11-2007, 16:33	#4
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally in Scotland! Posts: 11,213 Members Car: Octavia TDi110 Thanks: 65 Thanked 561 Times in 549 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem Could be the "dogbone" bush then. Run a search on the term.

30-11-2007, 17:36	#5
f1btn Site Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: brighton Posts: 177 Members Car: octavia vrs 03 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem engine mounts or dogbone mount __________________

01-12-2007, 11:52	#6
bjorn Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 130 Members Car: 2001 Skoda Octavia vRS Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem cheers guys - she's in for cambelt and water pump Monday so will get the mounts looked at then __________________ 2001 Skoda Octavia vRS Blueflame Catback Exhaust, CAI, Forge TIP, Forge 007 Valve, N75j, Weitec Dampers and Springs, WRC Spoiler, WRC Graphics.

01-12-2007, 16:14	#7
mbames Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Weymouth, Dorset Posts: 1,620 Members Car: Octavia 2001, 110TDi Elegance estate Thanks: 0 Thanked 71 Times in 63 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem I have had problems with gettign 5th a couple of times recently (each time on a dual carriageway) - just the same issue, like there is something rubbery in the way to stop me getting the gear.... at 123k it probably wants some new engine mounts and a gear box oil change..... it might get them once I have done the tyres and wheel bearings!

01-12-2007, 18:16	#8
bjorn Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 130 Members Car: 2001 Skoda Octavia vRS Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem Think we have the same issue mate - as that is exactly what I get, a rubbery type resitance __________________ 2001 Skoda Octavia vRS Blueflame Catback Exhaust, CAI, Forge TIP, Forge 007 Valve, N75j, Weitec Dampers and Springs, WRC Spoiler, WRC Graphics.

25-04-2008, 22:36	#9
leeVRS0252 Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: south west Posts: 37 Members Car: octavia vrs black 2002 Thanks: 9 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Gearchange problem i am havin exactly the same trouble as you guys, but after driving it into town this evening i could no longer get 5th gear and was havin trouble getting 3rd. on route back home i lost 3rd gear altogether so was having to drive just using 1st 2nd and 4th, not fun at all !!! anyone managed to resolve this problem or found out what is causing the problem ??

28-04-2008, 09:10	#10
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally in Scotland! Posts: 11,213 Members Car: Octavia TDi110 Thanks: 65 Thanked 561 Times in 549 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem Check the "dogbone" mount for play, and replace if necessary. Then check the linkage adjustment. Finally, get a garage to change the gearbox oil (1. You'll know why I say this if you've ever smelt used gear oil. 2. Don't use Silkolene as the new oil; VAG gearboxes don't like it). At some point in this sequence, you will probably cure the problem.

28-04-2008, 10:06	#11
Basil Hardcore Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bahrain Posts: 3,257 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 200 Thanked 194 Times in 151 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem since the car was new 3rd gear occasionally refuses to engage at all, when taking a really hard left winding turn. Have realigned cables and strengthened the dogbone to no avail. Gearbox oil was changed when I fitted a peloquin ATB - OEM VAG stuff.. Wonder how sideways gravity stops 3rd gear from engaging??? PITA to miss a smooth gearshift into 3rd and delay while driving briskly... Any thoughts? Thanks Bas __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

28-04-2008, 11:09	#12
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally in Scotland! Posts: 11,213 Members Car: Octavia TDi110 Thanks: 65 Thanked 561 Times in 549 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem Well Bas, I've never had this one, but then I don't believe in changing gear whilst turning really hard; it destabilises the car (really: Anyone who doubts this can have a "play" on a quiet roundabout, at their own risk). The only thing I can think is that the side-loading is loading the selector forks or balk rings, and stopping them engaging the gear smoothly.

28-04-2008, 12:25	#13
Basil Hardcore Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bahrain Posts: 3,257 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 200 Thanked 194 Times in 151 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem thanks for the comments/advice Ken! On a really big roundabout, I'll try to plan ahead and granny change in advance... Bas __________________ Fab vRS - Black Magic - PD160 intake - Forge FMIC - colour coded front grille -SLC Splitter - K&N Airfilter -SEAT Strutbrace - Jabba ARB - IC Waterspray (need to wire it in!) - 312mm TT brakes - Eibach Springs - Skoda Reversing sensors - Devonutopia Tuning (tm) Custom Exhaust (2 1/4" straight pipe) - Short shifter mod- 5 brake light mod - Helix Steel SMF + Organic Clutch + pressure plate - Peloquin LSD - TD stage 2 Hybrid - Washbrook remapped ECU - Uprated injectors - Cupra bushes -Poly-filled dogbone - Allard racepipe - Pirelli Dragons - Forge Rear Strutbrace - DIY SS upper boostpipe delete -Koni FSD's - elephant pipe CCV mod

28-04-2008, 14:15	#17
pigfarmer99 Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Down yer in Darzet. Posts: 43 Members Car: Red and dusty Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem Mines the other way round. Bimbling about and 5th is a sod to get into sometimes. Drive like a Finnish rally driver and its fine. 2nd gear is lumpy going in - just the same as my siroccos, golfs, in fact, EVERY FWD VAG car I've ever driven.

28-04-2008, 14:26	#18
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally in Scotland! Posts: 11,213 Members Car: Octavia TDi110 Thanks: 65 Thanked 561 Times in 549 Posts	Re: Gearchange problem Ah, for sure that is it for sure. Car is super-fantastic; next stage maximum attack!

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