Getting the power down with a tuned Octy

matchmaker · 21-10-2007, 17:54

How do those with tuned Octys manage in getting the power down? Not a problem for 4x4 owners, but vRS's?

Just that today on a damp road I was getting wheelspin at 60mph in 2nd

Use less throttle, I know

But if I'd done that the VTEC engined rice rocket behind me would have passed me

Snoopie · 21-10-2007, 18:20

He would of still passed you. But he backed off due to your dangerous driving skills

Feather the throttle, Don't just plant it....

bengie · 21-10-2007, 18:22

get an lsd.

Beretta · 21-10-2007, 18:23

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Originally Posted by Snoopie

Feather the throttle, Don't just plant it....

Well sorted Octy's let you plant it.......As you well know...LOL

Beretta · 21-10-2007, 18:24

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Originally Posted by bengie

get an lsd.

Or an ATB...........LOL

matchmaker · 21-10-2007, 18:24

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Originally Posted by Snoopie

He would of still passed you.

Oi you! It's a remapped 1.8T Octavia, not a remapped PD130 Fabia

Snoopie · 21-10-2007, 18:49

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Originally Posted by matchmaker

Oi you! It's a remapped 1.8T Octavia, not a remapped PD130 Fabia

Snoopie · 21-10-2007, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Beretta

Or an ATB...........LOL

A Quaife is a better choice over an ATB or an LSD anyday.

Liverpool-Lad · 21-10-2007, 19:49

Tyres are a good start to maximise grip rather than spinning them, however on a damp road Im not suprised, what do you run?

Lummox · 21-10-2007, 19:55

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Originally Posted by Snoopie

A Quaife is a better choice over an ATB or an LSD anyday.

Whats a Quaiffe if its not a ATB or LSD? (in thoery the same thing anyhow, an ATB is a limited slip differential as far as I understand it)

piv34uk · 21-10-2007, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Snoopie

A Quaife is a better choice over an ATB or an LSD anyday.

Agree totally plus some Yokohama Parada spec 2`s

Phil

matchmaker · 21-10-2007, 20:12

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Originally Posted by Liverpool-Lad

Tyres are a good start to maximise grip rather than spinning them, however on a damp road Im not suprised, what do you run?

Look down at the sig

Liverpool-Lad · 21-10-2007, 20:26

They could be ditchfinders for all I know

Steevie Wonder · 21-10-2007, 21:44

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Originally Posted by Lummox

Whats a Quaiffe if its not a ATB or LSD? (in thoery the same thing anyhow, an ATB is a limited slip differential as far as I understand it)

I'm with you here Lummox!

I'm interested in the answer to this question too as I use a peloquin ATB which is very similar (if not the same) to the quaife ATB....

devonutopia · 21-10-2007, 21:51

ATB/LSD/Peloquin/Quaife - all the same kettle of fish in my opinion, using the same gear really. I also have a peloquin ready to refit in my car soon. Looking forward to some interesting roundabout action afterwards.

The only reason I went peloquin is their apparent reputation to be more VAG oriented

fatty5000 · 22-10-2007, 11:44

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Originally Posted by piv34uk

Agree totally plus some Yokohama Parada spec 2`s

Phil

Are these now avaliable in 225/45/17 as when I asked the computer said no

Liverpool-Lad · 22-10-2007, 12:09

The new Eagle F1 Aysmmetric has come out tops in a few tyre tests now, would be worth looking at them.

ScoobyChris · 22-10-2007, 12:18

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Originally Posted by Liverpool-Lad

The new Eagle F1 Aysmmetric has come out tops in a few tyre tests now, would be worth looking at them.

Not had a chance to drive on these specific tyres yet, but I have driven on a few magazine tyre-test recommended tyres in the past and been thoroughly disappointed. Not sure why - maybe it's the fact they test them on a different car to mine, or because the drive differently to me, or because the "independent" tests are carried out at one of the tyre manufacturer's facilities?

Either way, I now tend to go with owner's recommendations over magazine tests and I've not made a bad choice yet, imvho

Chris

cheezemonkhai · 22-10-2007, 12:37

Agree there on the owners recommendations... so ta for the heads up on the FK-452

PSM · 22-10-2007, 13:00

I would always be wary of magazine recommendations in tests. I have a friend who is employed by a well known mototr company. He is involved in testing of cars before they come to the market and also organises group tests for magazines too. One he had recently the car that won was already decided before the testing began (needless to say it was not the car his company manufactured). In fact the car that one the test actually failed to complete some of the tasks within the test (was a 4x4 test). Interestingly the said magazine had just signed a big adevertising deal with the car compay that actually won the test!!!
I have also found a similar problem with magazine reccommendations when looking for new speakers for the house. One set got great reviews but when listened too they wholely dissappointed (Speakers that did not do so well sounded far better).
So would definately say go with other owners recommendations and your own experiences/knowledge.

Tom_vRS · 22-10-2007, 13:09

A quaife is an ATB Aaron, you wally.

Snoopie · 22-10-2007, 19:48

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Originally Posted by Lummox

Whats a Quaiffe if its not a ATB or LSD? (in thoery the same thing anyhow, an ATB is a limited slip differential as far as I understand it)

I'm sure an ATB is basically a LSD. But there is an ongoing myth, about how I'm incorrect.
I don't think so though.

Snoopie · 22-10-2007, 19:48

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Originally Posted by Tom_vRS

A quaife is an ATB Aaron, you wally.

You are so slow........

richm · 22-10-2007, 20:55

A "Quaiffe" is ATB..
ATB and LSD are very different animals, ATB (Automatic Torque Biasing) is NOT "Limited Slip".
ATB relies on having a reasonable degree of grip on the unloaded driven wheel, if there is little grip it will still spin that wheel.. If you don't believe me jack up one wheel and put it in gear with the engine running, the lifted wheel will freely turn.
Depending how much preload a LSD has it will drive the car off the jack, it is able to drive the wheel with grip even if there is NO grip from the other wheel.

I have yet to find a fwd car that doesn't wheelspin at the first hint of provocation (i have been spoilt by 4wd for so long that you can launch visciously even in the wet

) without a fairly tight LSD, which isn't always very user friandly in everyday use. I'd be very happy to listen to hints on how to keep hold of my 210bhp in lower gears and less than ideal road conditions.

bengie · 22-10-2007, 21:02

er, thats not right. an ATB is the same as the torsen diff that audi fit to their bigger 4WD cars. as you quite rightly pointed out its an automatic torque biasing differential that attempts to constantly keep the torque delivered to each side of the diff the same.

what you have described is an open diff.

21-10-2007, 17:54	#1
matchmaker Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Stirling Posts: 2,792 Members Car: Black Octavia vRS Thanks: 24 Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts	Getting the power down with a tuned Octy How do those with tuned Octys manage in getting the power down? Not a problem for 4x4 owners, but vRS's? Just that today on a damp road I was getting wheelspin at 60mph in 2nd Use less throttle, I know But if I'd done that the VTEC engined rice rocket behind me would have passed me __________________ Alan "Darth" - Black Magic Octavia VRS with Forge DV, BMC CDA induction kit, Milltek cat, Supersprint exhaust, Xenons, ESP, cruise, parking sensors and Kumho 225/45/17 tyres Been to Star sufficient bhp & ample lb/ft All time low - 7.8 mpg

21-10-2007, 18:20	#2
Snoopie Permanently banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Buckingham Palace Car Park Posts: 4,458 Members Car: Honda Civic Type-R Thanks: 86 Thanked 85 Times in 52 Posts	Re: Getting the power down with a tuned Octy He would of still passed you. But he backed off due to your dangerous driving skills Feather the throttle, Don't just plant it....

21-10-2007, 18:22	#3
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,256 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Getting the power down with a tuned Octy get an lsd. __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

21-10-2007, 19:49	#9
Liverpool-Lad Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,642 Members Car: Octavia vRS Thanks: 12 Thanked 47 Times in 47 Posts	Re: Getting the power down with a tuned Octy Tyres are a good start to maximise grip rather than spinning them, however on a damp road Im not suprised, what do you run? __________________ 2001 Rally Red Octavia vRS...remap complete Whiteline rear ARB, Superpro dogbone bush - 225/45/17 Goodyear Eagle F1 Aysmmetrics and lots of V-Power! Smiles all 'round

21-10-2007, 20:26	#13
Liverpool-Lad Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,642 Members Car: Octavia vRS Thanks: 12 Thanked 47 Times in 47 Posts	Re: Getting the power down with a tuned Octy They could be ditchfinders for all I know __________________ 2001 Rally Red Octavia vRS...remap complete Whiteline rear ARB, Superpro dogbone bush - 225/45/17 Goodyear Eagle F1 Aysmmetrics and lots of V-Power! Smiles all 'round

21-10-2007, 21:51	#15
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,103 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 75 Thanked 352 Times in 295 Posts	Re: Getting the power down with a tuned Octy ATB/LSD/Peloquin/Quaife - all the same kettle of fish in my opinion, using the same gear really. I also have a peloquin ready to refit in my car soon. Looking forward to some interesting roundabout action afterwards. The only reason I went peloquin is their apparent reputation to be more VAG oriented __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

22-10-2007, 12:09	#17
Liverpool-Lad Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,642 Members Car: Octavia vRS Thanks: 12 Thanked 47 Times in 47 Posts	Re: Getting the power down with a tuned Octy The new Eagle F1 Aysmmetric has come out tops in a few tyre tests now, would be worth looking at them. __________________ 2001 Rally Red Octavia vRS...remap complete Whiteline rear ARB, Superpro dogbone bush - 225/45/17 Goodyear Eagle F1 Aysmmetrics and lots of V-Power! Smiles all 'round

22-10-2007, 12:37	#19
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,664 Members Car: Thanks: 116 Thanked 526 Times in 487 Posts	Re: Getting the power down with a tuned Octy Agree there on the owners recommendations... so ta for the heads up on the FK-452 __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

22-10-2007, 13:00	#20
PSM Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 249 Members Car: Thanks: 4 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Getting the power down with a tuned Octy I would always be wary of magazine recommendations in tests. I have a friend who is employed by a well known mototr company. He is involved in testing of cars before they come to the market and also organises group tests for magazines too. One he had recently the car that won was already decided before the testing began (needless to say it was not the car his company manufactured). In fact the car that one the test actually failed to complete some of the tasks within the test (was a 4x4 test). Interestingly the said magazine had just signed a big adevertising deal with the car compay that actually won the test!!! I have also found a similar problem with magazine reccommendations when looking for new speakers for the house. One set got great reviews but when listened too they wholely dissappointed (Speakers that did not do so well sounded far better). So would definately say go with other owners recommendations and your own experiences/knowledge.

22-10-2007, 13:09	#21
Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 11,559 Members Car: '97R BMW 328i Saloon Thanks: 679 Thanked 436 Times in 313 Posts	Re: Getting the power down with a tuned Octy A quaife is an ATB Aaron, you wally. __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green.

22-10-2007, 20:55	#24
richm Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Melksham Posts: 540 Members Car: vRS Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Getting the power down with a tuned Octy A "Quaiffe" is ATB.. ATB and LSD are very different animals, ATB (Automatic Torque Biasing) is NOT "Limited Slip". ATB relies on having a reasonable degree of grip on the unloaded driven wheel, if there is little grip it will still spin that wheel.. If you don't believe me jack up one wheel and put it in gear with the engine running, the lifted wheel will freely turn. Depending how much preload a LSD has it will drive the car off the jack, it is able to drive the wheel with grip even if there is NO grip from the other wheel. I have yet to find a fwd car that doesn't wheelspin at the first hint of provocation (i have been spoilt by 4wd for so long that you can launch visciously even in the wet ) without a fairly tight LSD, which isn't always very user friandly in everyday use. I'd be very happy to listen to hints on how to keep hold of my 210bhp in lower gears and less than ideal road conditions.

22-10-2007, 21:02	#25
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,256 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Getting the power down with a tuned Octy er, thats not right. an ATB is the same as the torsen diff that audi fit to their bigger 4WD cars. as you quite rightly pointed out its an automatic torque biasing differential that attempts to constantly keep the torque delivered to each side of the diff the same. what you have described is an open diff. __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3