wormfish

You could always spend a couple of years learning the Policing trade and then transfer to a department who let you drive the unmarked octys for real. I can assure you its more fun than you can shake a stick at, and far more satisfying than the pretend ones...

BTW, the closing up on people on the motorway is something that we do all the time, and yes, it does work. Much more effective when you do it at 130mph though (although most can't do this legally...)

Good thread ;-)

Emily-Elizabeth

@ Ender

I would be chuffed if someone took an interest in my car, police or otherwise. Pehaps because you were sat there with such an obvious sour look on your face they thought the car was possibly stolen. Now if your car HAD been stolen, you would no doubt be bitching that the police don't pay enough attention.

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Your missing the POINT, My best mate is a copper, he was my best man at my wedding and I his, we are godfathers to each others children and closer then brothers, we have seen much and been to untold places together and he is a police officer now, If I had issues with the law I would not be a brother to a police man, I respect their job and respect them, however When I was asked to be a copper I declined, obviusly my mate asked me to go in with him Its more hassle then Im prepared to live with, In the current climate I myself have had enough excitment to last me a life time thankyou.

NOW the POINT is, we are all enjoying our break, and the Police officers in question COVERTLY tryed to gleam infomation from me, fair enough its blatent my car has had cash spent on it and sure lots of peeps ask me about it, I have know issues their, HOWEVER when beef boy has his mouth full of bacon butty asking me my name when we are casuely chatting I find it annoying, When I over hear the other copper sloping off to run my reg thro the radio I get annoyed, if they openly asked me and gave good reason then fair doo's I have nout to hide I'll answer, its the sneaky snidy im ya best pal aproach that pissed me off and dont tell me you wouldnt be either, they where out of line hence when I declined my name they just walked off.

The RAF top lads, saved my skin on several occasions and saved me mucho mucho trecking!, For me I see it like this, Anybody who flys the slowest fattest plane into a hot place to drop off sticks is ok by me, I have known some awesome pilots over the years, and funnily enough the RAF are probably my fav other force, unlike the marines hehe.

And to whoever said two types of para, actuely bud their are more then two kinds allow me.

1 - the bully as you said.

2 - the talk alot seen alot everything i do is better then you do I served my queen wtf you done.

3 - the para whome never leaves the para's even tho he left a decade ago.

4 - The wise man, who HAS seen and HAS been and honestly just whants to forget they ever did for reasons not many outside the services would know about.

As for me, Im alright, However like all police/forces I reqiure respect and sneaky/covert/pally pally is disrespectful, If I where to be in the bracket you put me in I would be a Bouncer lol, Im not.

My mates hate my car as I talk about it to much, I like to show it off to anybody interested the law included, I tell my mate, tell all the law my car its distinctive, if they see it without me in it, hide the occupants from me.

But the POINT is this, IF you have nothing to hide, be open and honest, if you have something to hide dont talk with me or beat round the bush I hate that, respect and openess goes both ways, ask me if I mind if you do a lookup on me and my car I would prob laugh and agree, if you think im realy dodgy tell/demand to look me up, fine, but dont be me best pal whilst knifing me I find that unreasonable and the law should be setting an example.

To the law above, you know the kind of policeman I encounterd and you dislike them also Why? because they give yall a bad name just like that dudes two types of para, the 1st give us all a bad name.

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most of the unmarked vrs's have the aeriel for the radio gear mounted to the inside of the roof underneath the head lining, slightly lowered and thats bout it they look just like a normal vrs but tuned to stupid bhp

Psychobob

ScoobyChris:
Definately one of my favourite things when bored.
Fly up behind someone doing 85-90 on a motorway and then match their lanes changes whilst keeping a sensible distance. Watch them panic and slow to 70 :-)
Only really do-able in light traffic, as other cars flying past you both in the outside lane(s) tends to give it away

wormfish

The highly tuned VRS is largely a myth - its more likely the fact that the drivers are highly trained, and can just drive a standard car smoother and faster than your average member of the public in most situations.

We just make it look easy...
Until you've had the training, you can't even begin to comprehend the difference between how you used to drive and how they get you to drive...

There have been no performance mods to any of the unmarkeds that I have driven - just the extra electrical equipment (which may even lower the capabilities as it adds a fair amount of weight...)

Ender

I must agree with wormfish, I myself have had some advanced driving lessons, and also evasion driving training in the forces, and with what we was taught you can leave most people even with more power then you for dead, The police obviusly go much further for pursuit drivers and some of them guys could succeed at a rather decent level in motor sport they are that good.

One of the things that always got me was the wheel spin/acceleration jobbo, as a teenager you wheel spin everywhere and as an adult you try to not spin period, actuely you need some slippage to attain decent engine revs and more importantly with turbo engines, however getting it exact is about throttle controel and that depends on the driver, I always struggled with that one.

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Ender, No doubt you will also have encountered the "wanabe Para"- and if the amount who claimed to have been a para or by the same token SAS were true, our forces would have suddenly been increased back to WW2 manning levels

You surprise me, a para who doesn't like the marines????? Surely not

Used to crack me up at Lyneham watching the exchange of insults and looks of pure evil between the two groups in the mess and the inevitable riot in the NAAFI Had to laugh though when the Gurkha's used to come in and everybody would shut up,respect

I appreciate that the basis of your post was a complaint at the way you were approached and not meant as a dig at my colleagues

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Ender

Indeed, Maybe even more then WW2 levels, Its funny tho, I know actuel ex forces whome claim to of been SAS, Considering the SAS except maybe 8 men a year on a good year lol its unlikly.

Gurkha's are funny little men lol, I actuely know one now on civvie street he is 50 odd and STILL runs everywhere crazy little fella lol, Their is a matuel respect between us and the Gurkha's, they always said anybody whome floated into a hot zone in full view of anybody and everybody with a noisy c130 to draw attension to us is alright by them, by alright I think they meant Crazy but hey, and from ourside to them anybody whome can sneak up and slit ya throat without you ever knowing is alright by us lol not that their is much choice lol.

Marines annoy me, they are big burly meatheads whome are "special cannon fodder" and yet they profess to be the best, ok I concede they are good at being great fodder lol.

As for the fake para's, their is a very funny story, here is the short version.

My sister was married to a guy whome always professed to of been a para, he knew I was activly serving with that para at the time, anyhow I finaly get to go see her after two years and meet the new fella, I am very much looking forward to having something in common with somebody for a change outside of my group, So me and her geeze are off for a sly jug why the wifes natter, in the bar he is telling me he was in three para, ahh I say thats good I am also, I ask Where he was garrisond and he says cornwall, I say ok and think hmmm wtf is down their anyhow never mind like most forces I know my stuff about my stuff and dont comprehend much else until I have too, He goes on to tell me he has been here and their and everywhere and Im like ok yea true hmm ok thinking jesus he is the para who has done everything and so on but I think ok yea whatever, now remember he is talking to an activly serviing person here, he then tells me he is getting recalled and im like wtf is WW3 starting? he says nah, he was a majer and they need him back, im like WTF what is this prick, he then goes onto tell me all the weaponry he nicked and such im like ok ****, im getting angry now as he is talking to me like a marine would, so I stands up and goes to leave where he follews me out chatting crap, I grab him hold and say look mug, you have never been in the Para's he fesses to of not even done the useal of basic training then leaving and claiming elite squadron status, he is a muppet fake whome lied to everybody, now he is a devorced muppet whome probably still trys to pass himself off as a para or maybe as an Ex james bond or somin these days lol.

As I say I like the RAF lads the only thing with them is they can be abit 1944 or alittle snobby lol but then you guys are all Educated!

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This link is turning into a right load of B***ox. it should be renamed -

*the police are great lets big them up thread.*

Just like all large organisations you get good and bad.

However what does worry me by reading this is that we seem to have a few police people on here who are talking about how they are better drivers due to training etc and also speeds they can do.

You can have all the training in the world pal but i don't think its going to improve your reaction skills.

just because your in a cop car you still have to do the speed limit unless called upon to catch a criminal etc. Day in and day out i see cop motors doing about 90 on the motorways only to see them turn off and park up etc.

wormfish

I feel that a few things need to be said here...

You are quite right in what you say about reaction speeds etc - these are set by the fact we are all human, and have roughly the same abilities...over step the mark, and physics takes over no matter how good you are!

...however, the difference between a trained pursuit driver and the untrained, is the ability to plan and anticipate far in advance of what is usually the case. The majority of what is taught surrounds hazard awareness, the system of car control, and the ability to deal more effectively with any given situation than would be possible before the training. This leads to the ability to tackle situations at higher speeds without reducing the safety of what they are doing.

I can assure you, having done the training, and been in vehicles with the untrained, that if you ask someone with no training to talk about what they are doing, and what is going on around them, you soon realise how little they are actually "seeing" (even if they are looking at it).

What I am not saying, is that all Police drivers are great, in fact when some come out of training, they get far too confident in their own ability, and thats when things go really wrong.

I also have no doubt that you have seen Police cars doing in excess of the speed limit without any obvoius cause. There are many reasons why this might be the case - monitoring other traffic, driver training (I spent hours on the motorway at 100mph+ during my training in an unmarked/marked car with no lights or sirens on - this was completely lawful due to the exemption for training), moving toward an incident then being stood down (many (including me) will pull into the nearest car park or layby, stop and turn off the car just so those watching their actions on a screen in the control room can be in no doubt that the order has been obeyed).
I am not saying this was the case in all the examples you have seen, however, don't think that a police vehicle will alwys have everything flashing every time it responds to an incident.

There are now many systems in place in force control rooms that monitor the speed of vehicles, what lights are on etc, and some in car systems even log lateral G-forces and throttle/brake position which can enable total plotting of the actions of the driver. A driver using his lawful exemption has to be able to justify this if the wheel comes off (not literally...). It is impossible to speed and not be seen to be speeding in my force - and the bosses WILL challenge you about your actions.

Above all, a Police driver is expected to set an example to the rest of the drivers on the road. We are all accountable for what we do - and we must be able to justify it.

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Totally agree, wormfish.
Like you say if you asked somebody who is not trained to describe everything they see on a high speed run, avoid hazards and still maintain total control and commitment, most couldn't without training and having had the training it marks us out as definitely above average, but as you say we are still human and even cops have accidents but then we are put under so much scrutiny afterwards it really focuses the mind not to crash in the first place and also risk all that training to go back on the beat

Admittedly this thread has gone off topic but if it gets people talking about safer driving then all the better, and pointing people in the right direction viz a viz legalities of trying to mimic police cars and driving skills.

You can't please everyone

Cheers,
Steve

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As per WRC 068... i'm in the Air Training Corps... and when in uniform and driving our Octy Estate... motorway clears its so fun!!

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my bro had one in at his old work place to rolling roaded in the hope it would diagnose wot the problem was with it and it came of the rolling road at just under 600bhp

duke of hazzard

cheers kid, thats given me the best laugh yet in all the time ive been here!

your saying your bro had a 600bhp unmarked police car in his shop eh! well i dont care what anyone else thinks I BELIEVE YOU!

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Thats the funniest thing I have read on here.....ever

Police forces buy their cars in bulk straight from the manufacturers, (because they get them cheap that way). They add all the radio and electrical kit, thrash them to death for 120,000 miles or so, then remove all the kit and sell them off. They don't even splash out on any optional extras most of the time, let alone spending £1000's on upgrading them...

Despite the fact that all work on Police vehicles has to be done by their "in-house" workshops, so rolling road trips are an unlikely day out, mechanically the cars are STANDARD in every way - certainly not modified by 400bhp. If you tried to put 600bhp through the tyres on a front wheel drive octy, you would spend your entire life in a big cloud of smoke or on the phone to kwik-fit asking them to order more new boots for it.

If your brother gets another monster in the workshop, then let us know - he doesn't work near Loch Ness by any chance does he?

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Snoetje

Try driving like Gumball