Highest bhp output Mk1 Octavia

**delcac** · 17-06-2007, 10:31

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Originally Posted by auroan

Well, there are quite a few people on this site pushing 250 plus bhp I was hoping for a run down of what each person did to get there,

but no I get the thread high jacked by a discussion of going to a RR session.

Your question of who has got the most powerful Octavia on Briskoda has Been answered. The only way you can find out for sure is on a rolling road day or maybe a track. I personally prefer the track option as BHP means nothing if you haven't got a balanced car to go with the power.

EddyH · 17-06-2007, 14:10

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Originally Posted by delcac

Have you tried a high RPM launch yet.

Only once so far have I felt the need and that was actually quite recently; off the lights against a sports bike, felt really good and gained me quite an advantage. I was smiling for the rest of the day.

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Originally Posted by Johnwg

Pardon my ignorance on such matters, but how the hell do you get those sort of bhp figures from a VAG 1.8T Unit?

I appreciate that big turbo, upgraded injectors and upgraded everything else can get you to around the 350-400bhp mark, but 600bhp

It's mainly down to how big a turbo you go for and how much lag you're willing to put up with. However it's not quite that simple as there are ways to combat the lag such as careful choice of turbo and housing, equal length manifold, bored out cylinders, water injection, twin scroll turbo or even a small progressive shot of nitrous.

**delcac** · 17-06-2007, 19:04

Eddy
Are you running a twin scroll turbo and manifold.

Johnwg · 17-06-2007, 21:28

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Originally Posted by EddyH

It's mainly down to how big a turbo you go for and how much lag you're willing to put up with. However it's not quite that simple as there are ways to combat the lag such as careful choice of turbo and housing, equal length manifold, bored out cylinders, water injection, twin scroll turbo or even a small progressive shot of nitrous.

Thanks for that.... much respect to you guy's, a tad more involved than a simple remap then

More of a science than motor engineering!

Got me thinking..... you could probably pick up a decent example Mk 1 Octy VRS for around the £5k mark these day's and say you were to throw another £5k at it for the above mod's........ would you have the potential to take most things on the road "Like a King" (i.e. super cars) for a bargin £10k ????

Or would getting a 1.8T to the 450-500bhp mark cost more than £5k?

dsmithmobile · 17-06-2007, 21:45

Would probably cost a fair bit more than 5k to get those sort of power figures i'd guess and with that sort of power then traction would be an issue with the vrs so a 4x4 would be a better base vehicle i'd think as both stuart and eddy have

fatty5000 · 17-06-2007, 21:47

I think you could safely double that figure of 5k
If i were to do it i think it would need to be in 4x4 as my rs doesnt like its power now never mind 450 bhp

fatty5000 · 17-06-2007, 21:48

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Originally Posted by dsmithmobile

Would probably cost a fair bit more than 5k to get those sort of power figures i'd guess and with that sort of power then traction would be an issue with the vrs so a 4x4 would be a better base vehicle i'd think as both stuart and eddy have

Spooky i just said virtually the same thing

dsmithmobile · 17-06-2007, 21:56

well like they say great minds think alike lol

jaymd · 17-06-2007, 22:05

I think with the mods i have done so far(plus the fmic i have coming) my car should be around 240bhp when i get it remapped.I will probably be happy with 225-230bhp with less boost,as not to put to much strain on the turbo.
I have looked at bt for myself and very tempted,but will probably wait till next year after i have done a few more things i.e. Brakes,suspension.
I started off just by getting an air filter and told myself 'that's all i am doing to it'.

matchmaker · 17-06-2007, 22:24

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Originally Posted by fatty5000

I think you could safely double that figure of 5k
If i were to do it i think it would need to be in 4x4 as my rs doesnt like its power now never mind 450 bhp

Ditto - it's the torque rather than bhp. Putting my meagre 251 lbf down is bad enough in the dry..................on a greasy road

redbaron · 17-06-2007, 23:29

its not about power or torque... its about setup and weight.

how much power somethign has is irrelevant if you cant use it. the question should have been which car is fastest around a track....

devonutopia · 17-06-2007, 23:45

I saw JBS' octy go down the strip once. I think even my car would have beaten it. All I could really tell/see was it popping and banging, not really going anywhere - couldn't seem to get boost or traction and looked as if it was running badly. Could have been just a one-off and it may have done a better run later on. I was expecting to see it go really well but instead it was whupped by an average looking golf GTI.

dsmithmobile · 18-06-2007, 01:41

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Originally Posted by redbaron

its not about power or torque... its about setup and weight.

agree with you on that,a mate of mine has an eg6 civic which is powered by an integra type r engine with minimal mods and its completely stripped of anything not of use and it regularly beats higher powered cars even 4wd ones simply because of his technique and the cars weight and its suspension setup which is set for drag racing only,if he tried to take it round a track against the same cars then it would be useless

badger bill was doing poor times at inters last year simply cos he couldn't get the power down and i suspect jbs had the same problem cos with over 500bhp in front wheel drive octy which isn't exactly a light car there is always going to be a problem putting the power down but i think there octy is only a test mule for there engine upgrades and isn't built for strip or track racing

**delcac** · 18-06-2007, 07:18

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Originally Posted by devonutopia

I saw JBS' octy go down the strip once. I think even my car would have beaten it. All I could really tell/see was it popping and banging, not really going anywhere - couldn't seem to get boost or traction and looked as if it was running badly. Could have been just a one-off and it may have done a better run later on. I was expecting to see it go really well but instead it was whupped by an average looking golf GTI.

This is what I was trying to get at in my post above. 4x4 cars aside it's very difficult to put that power down, harder still is flooring it through a bend to take full advantage of the front wheel drive out of a bend. The only way I could get the grip I wanted is to back off the power or restrict my right foot. I can hear you all saying, why not get a 4x4/Haldex car. They are great in a straight line but show them a bend at full throttle and you will have all sorts of issues to deal with, great fun but not my idea of a track car. I feel I now have a balanced car for the track, much more power and it will upset that balance. Power is nothing without control.

EddyH · 18-06-2007, 08:53

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Originally Posted by delcac

Eddy
Are you running a twin scroll turbo and manifold.

No, JBS didn't offer them at the time I went for a big turbo. However they are doing 2 at the moment, may even be finished now.

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Originally Posted by Johnwg

Thanks for that.... much respect to you guy's, a tad more involved than a simple remap then

More of a science than motor engineering!

Got me thinking..... you could probably pick up a decent example Mk 1 Octy VRS for around the £5k mark these day's and say you were to throw another £5k at it for the above mod's........ would you have the potential to take most things on the road "Like a King" (i.e. super cars) for a bargin £10k ????

Or would getting a 1.8T to the 450-500bhp mark cost more than £5k?

As others have said you need to double it and then it still won't include for chassis upgrades. A standard car + £5k would probably get you a big turbo on standard internals so say 300-350bhp.

Timo · 18-06-2007, 10:28

Saw the JBS car on the 1/4 mile on Sat. was really looking forward to it. 16 secs!! All mouth and no trousers, had the power, but it couldn't get it down.

Stuart_J · 18-06-2007, 10:41

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Originally Posted by EddyH

As others have said you need to double it and then it still won't include for chassis upgrades. A standard car + £5k would probably get you a big turbo on standard internals so say 300-350bhp.

Turbo, Manifold, Injectors, Fuel Pump, Performance Exhaust, Fromt Mounted Intercooler, New Clutch, Custom remap, bigger Insurance premium etc, I think 5K might be a bit tight , also I wouldnt run over 330 on std internals

EddyH · 18-06-2007, 10:54

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Originally Posted by Timo

Saw the JBS car on the 1/4 mile on Sat. was really looking forward to it. 16 secs!! All mouth and no trousers, had the power, but it couldn't get it down.

I've just had a word with them and apparently they tried putting it 5th but it still span the wheels.

They should have the Elise at GTI Festival, that might have a better chance with RWD but it's still gonna be handful.

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Originally Posted by Stuart_J

Turbo, Manifold, Injectors, Fuel Pump, Performance Exhaust, Fromt Mounted Intercooler, New Clutch, Custom remap, bigger Insurance premium etc, I think 5K might be a bit tight , also I wouldnt run over 330 on std internals

I'd agree with all of that.

auroan · 18-06-2007, 11:01

So what are people running then ? IHI ? Garrett ? etc etc .... anyone tried the new apr mani awesome are now selling ?

Stuart_J · 18-06-2007, 11:08

Spec of mine

Octy 4x4, mods as follows

Custom respray, tricolour Silver pearlescent with all side strips colour coded
Custom front Grills
Debadged
Rear Spoiler
17" Alloys
335x32 Front Discs with Ap 4 pot callipers
Ds 2500 Pads all round
Upgraded rear Discs
R32 Front Arb
Jabba Rear ARB
KW V3 Suspension
Poly Bushed suspension
Jabba Front Mounted Intercooler
Baffled Sump
Full Milltec 2.75 System
S3 pistons
Pauter Rods
Upgraded Valves
S3 Driveshafts
TT 6 Speed Box
Clutch to suit !!
Jabba IHI Turbo Conversion with all the associated bits (350 bhp)
Recaro Leather seats
A few other bits Ive probably forgotten + Briskoda stickers

EddyH · 18-06-2007, 11:09

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Originally Posted by auroan

So what are people running then ? IHI ? Garrett ? etc etc .... anyone tried the new apr mani awesome are now selling ?

I'm running a Garrett GT3071R and Stuart is running an IHI (not sure which variant). There's threads detailing my spec elsewhere and I believe the same can be said for Stuart.

EDIT: Looks like Stuart has covered his, most of the details on mine are here: http://www.briskoda.net/forums/octav...-my-4x4/53552/

auroan · 18-06-2007, 11:26

Cool this is the kind of stuff I'm after, wanted to get it all in one thread, as with a site this big searching for stuff is getting very long winded.

Leeboy · 18-06-2007, 14:12

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Originally Posted by redbaron

its not about power or torque... its about setup and weight.

how much power somethign has is irrelevant if you cant use it. the question should have been which car is fastest around a track....

After this weekend's GTI Inters sprint experience (3 quarter mile runs) I agree completely here. According to Jabbas rollers, my fwd octy is pulling 370 ftlb of torque and 330 bhp, but my 0-60 time was worse than 2 years ago at Traxs, when running about 270bhp. I've got a bit of a dodgey gearchange at present which does not make for quick shifts but nevertheless front wheels can't go anywhere. I'm sure that playing around with suspension and removing weight from the back of the car would help. However at a recent Trackday, by the end of the day there I was being passed by a single Exige and Caterham with these guys only making up substantial ground on the tightest of turns. Not saying that I'm a particularly experienced track driver but the rest of the runners were having to yield to the yellow peril with the aid of lat braking, early power out of corners (with the aid of an LSD) and quick straight line acceleration from the torquey engine.

As for what you will need to spend. Figures banded around of up to £10K are about right, but don't forget you then need to look at your brakes and general suspension set up if you want to use the power on the track (I won't say road because a standard Octy is quick enough in most situations - without law breaking).

Lloyd55vrs · 21-07-2007, 13:58

lol only around 440 lol

what that a t28?

im stuck at the mo which wa to go with a turbo upgrade

ihi or t28

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delcac Still a **** Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chatham, Kent Posts: 7,396 Members Car: A red one Images: 3 Thanks: 17 Thanked 70 Times in 55 Posts	Re: Highest bhp output Mk1 Octavia Eddy Are you running a twin scroll turbo and manifold. __________________ The Red Devil

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dsmithmobile Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hull,East Yorkshire Posts: 1,068 Members Car: 02 black magic octavia vrs Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Highest bhp output Mk1 Octavia Would probably cost a fair bit more than 5k to get those sort of power figures i'd guess and with that sort of power then traction would be an issue with the vrs so a 4x4 would be a better base vehicle i'd think as both stuart and eddy have __________________ my car pics and spec here http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2309233

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fatty5000 Why So Serious Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: "What" ...What ain't no god damn country Posts: 5,586 Members Car: a car Thanks: 272 Thanked 202 Times in 183 Posts	Re: Highest bhp output Mk1 Octavia I think you could safely double that figure of 5k If i were to do it i think it would need to be in 4x4 as my rs doesnt like its power now never mind 450 bhp __________________

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dsmithmobile Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hull,East Yorkshire Posts: 1,068 Members Car: 02 black magic octavia vrs Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Highest bhp output Mk1 Octavia well like they say great minds think alike lol __________________ my car pics and spec here http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2309233

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jaymd Bored! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Macclesfield - Cheshire Posts: 1,727 Members Car: Octavia VRS Thanks: 30 Thanked 69 Times in 66 Posts	Re: Highest bhp output Mk1 Octavia I think with the mods i have done so far(plus the fmic i have coming) my car should be around 240bhp when i get it remapped.I will probably be happy with 225-230bhp with less boost,as not to put to much strain on the turbo. I have looked at bt for myself and very tempted,but will probably wait till next year after i have done a few more things i.e. Brakes,suspension. I started off just by getting an air filter and told myself 'that's all i am doing to it'.

17-06-2007, 23:29	#36
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,568 Members Car: Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	Re: Highest bhp output Mk1 Octavia its not about power or torque... its about setup and weight. how much power somethign has is irrelevant if you cant use it. the question should have been which car is fastest around a track.... __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

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devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,103 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 75 Thanked 352 Times in 295 Posts	Re: Highest bhp output Mk1 Octavia I saw JBS' octy go down the strip once. I think even my car would have beaten it. All I could really tell/see was it popping and banging, not really going anywhere - couldn't seem to get boost or traction and looked as if it was running badly. Could have been just a one-off and it may have done a better run later on. I was expecting to see it go really well but instead it was whupped by an average looking golf GTI. __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

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Timo Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Miles from where I want to be. Posts: 395 Members Car: Octy VRS Tdi Thanks: 9 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Highest bhp output Mk1 Octavia Saw the JBS car on the 1/4 mile on Sat. was really looking forward to it. 16 secs!! All mouth and no trousers, had the power, but it couldn't get it down.

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auroan Briskoda Staff Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2,908 Members Car: AUDI A4 B7 2.0 TDI SE Saloon Thanks: 212 Thanked 113 Times in 99 Posts	Re: Highest bhp output Mk1 Octavia Cool this is the kind of stuff I'm after, wanted to get it all in one thread, as with a site this big searching for stuff is getting very long winded. __________________ '05 Audi A4 2.0 Tdi SE - no mods until the warrenty expires ... yeah right... interior light pack, 3 spoke mfsw. '00 Audi A4 2.8 Quattro - Gone.... (bleeding money pit ) Audi A4 2.6 Avant (Breaking - Check out http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/auroan)

21-07-2007, 13:58	#49
Lloyd55vrs Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bristol Posts: 436 Members Car: Octavia VRS Thanks: 103 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Highest bhp output Mk1 Octavia lol only around 440 lol what that a t28? im stuck at the mo which wa to go with a turbo upgrade ihi or t28 __________________