magic moo

has anyone tried the koni lowering spring on their VRS yet if so could you let me know what they are like..... are they a harsh ride do they improve the handling a little bit and over all is it worth getting them over the Eibach

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Beretta

If you use the search button, this has been covered loads of times, also Eibach do not make a spring for the MK1 Octy vRS.

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richm

does anyone know what the standard vRS spring rate is (pounds per inch)?
Or how they compare in terms of stiffness and height to Leon Cupra R ?

yellotaxi

I have eibach springs on my Vrs and have now for 3 years not harsh and at later stage put bilstein shocks on and still very comfortable and controlled. very minimum on lowering about another 10-15mm

Beretta

Yes, but the spring poundage for the car is wrong, especially the rears, the Octy vRS is a different beast from the Golf or Bora kit that you probably have on your Octy vRS.
Whilst you might be quite happy with the springs, just ask yourself why Eibach do not list a specific spring for the Octy vRS????????

I do know as I tried several combinations a while ago as Sarah at Awesome will confirm, I now have KW3's and they are very, very good.

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AwesomeSarah

Yup
gerry had his own seat here as he tried quite a few set ups
But in the end he is a happy chappy and that is what we want
I know Gerry and a few others have gone on to the KW`s and everyone have been happy with the results
It is worth spending that little extra then you are done and you know you have the best that has been tried for your car
Sarah

Liverpool-Lad

Hmmm I thought Jabbasport had struck some form of deal with Eibach to produce them for the Octy? I think thats what they told me when I was thinking of buying a set.

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richm

what is the perceived difference in requirement between golf and octy?

Liverpool-Lad

Heavier @$$ probably.

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Beretta

Exactly........Also the Bora ones that were originally supplied as correct were about 900lbs at the rear, where as the KW's match the originals at about 1000lb + also with the KW3's you also get to play with the bump/rebound and height adjustments.

Also tried the Koni FSD's with the Eibach springs and massive oversteer, 360's on every roundabout, even in the dry, so off they came and on went the KW's, but I am told that the FSD's with standard Octy vRS springs are a very good combination.

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Liverpool-Lad

Ive found the post by Jabba.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/octav...pec-vrs/86239/

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Beretta

Yep, but no part number specific to the Octy vRS, and why is that no other retailer such as Awesome have any knowledge of this item???

Have a look at the Eibach site, and you will see there is not a specific spring listed for the Octy vRS, if they had made one, I would have thought it logical to advertise it and sell it, rather than keep it a secret?

Has anyone from the site actually had them fitted by Jabba, and if so are they good???

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Gerry
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Liverpool-Lad

No idea, just relaying what they said.

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richm

so what is the difference between "vRS" and "any other" Octy model?
They list kits for other Octy models, so I can't see the relevance of the weight issue. Indeed I'd be interested to see the actual weight difference between the back end of Octy/Golf/Bora.. anyone got figures?

yellotaxi

Exactly there is no difference between the octavia petrol models so the spring rate is the same on the lowering springs.
As for being heavier than a golf, not true golf and especially bora which has vitually the same overhang are about 1350kg same as octavia.

Also to get massive oversteer from fsd units means your camber/castor was poorly adjusted or you cant drive properly, plus you can not compair KW3 as they are Coilovers and rebound/compression adjustable (virtual race spec) Fsd is for road use and for comfort to fast road spec so very very different oh and cost 1/2 the price.

Beretta

As you quote the Octy being 1350KG, please go onto the Eibach site and look up the poundage rate for the Bora and show me where they show the Bora springs as being 1350KG ??????? ...........................They are much lighter than that.

The oversteer mentioned was with the incorrect Eibach springs fitted to the FSD's. This was stated, and I did also state that with the OEM springs they get good reports.
The alignment you mention was done on a four wheel alignment at Awesome, so are they wrong???

Whilst you can state all these things, can I please ask where Eibach show a spring for the VRS, they show every other model, but not the VRS.

If you wish to drive with incorrect springs then be my guest, but please dont ask me to condone it.

Oh, have you fitted or tried any of the things you are passing judgement on?????

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Gerry
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richm

I don't get what the Eibach figures of "axle load" mean??
Why can't they just quote the spring rate and length, then everyone knows where they are...

They show other models of Octavia but not vRS - why?? the weights are the same, give or take, so why don't the springs suit vRS?

AwesomeSarah

Hi
Eibach do not do a lit specific to the vRS
I do know that they can swap over parts to make a kit up
But it has been fitted to cars that we have tried and to no avail
They are different
Sarah

olit

The VRS sits 20mm lower than a standard petrol Octy - front and rear.

The front chassis is much the same as Audi TT 2wd. The rear is the same as a standard Octy.

Olit

yellotaxi

I have been checking things out while at work just incase i was wrong, the result

I phoned the koni rep as spoke previously about this and he recommended eibach springs when fitting Fsd's as they do not lower more than 20mm on Rs 30-35 on std turbos.
The kerb weights are the same as rest of 18t engine range so safety/ reliabilty NOT affected. The ride rebound/compression not affected as lowering springs are only about 20-30% stiffer over std on rs this amount is reduced due to them being stiffer than std spec, effectively giving all models same poundage.

I then phoned PI as uk's biggest and spoke to technical and they also confirmed the springs once lowered the same poundage about 20-30% on std less on rs.
Both suppliers did say that the shock absorbers are of different design due to link bars/roll bars being upgraded for more response.

I then spoke top a customer who is a rally driver (came second in class at last months MC Rae rally and used to drive an ex skoda works car) again he confirmed springs are the same fitment its the shocks spring pan thats different as Vrs sits 15mm ish lower, plus as above other components are different.
He also confirmed that the poundage is nowhere near 900lb as this is nearing formula 3 race cars. The most they'll be for road race will be about 400lb frt 250rr but he is baseing that on track , coilovers maybe slightly more but not much.
As for the overhangs this doesn't really matter due to the vehicle kerb weight is taken over the top of the struts and not to the rear of the strut as thought.
He did say if changing say the rear height more than equal to the front or vice versa this would throw out the handling and not help under heavy breaking (car would be all over the place) as long as equal at each corner there will be no problems with Handling and safety on 20-40 drop anymore needs geometry correction products to aid handling.

Also just remebered who done my suspension originally, it was Whiteline suspension Director Job (from Holand the home of Eibach koni and most of the worlds spring manufacturing).
He fitted them with my bilstiens and also said would be perfect, i remember him asking how i drive and chose supension what suited .
Non shortened stroke shocks with eibach. His reason was for to keep as much comfort as possible (this was before FSD launched for rs) with good road holding, the shock were chosing because they had more travel keeping wheels in contact over the b roads and more grip which is his prefered set-up. Obviously for more extreme driving adjustables or coilovers were recommended.

I know somethings need to be taken into consideration on some parts hence the questions but i hope that this has cleared things up a bit for some of you .
I hope this helps some of you and i am sure others will still be sceptical.

Beretta

Now I hate to be sceptical, but, please go to the Eibach web site and then please quote the poundage figures "THEY" quote for the their Octy and Bora springs, and they a lot more than 400.

As for the car having to be equal at each corner for perfect handling, just set your Octy vRS up with slightly more drop at the back than at the front, and feel the improvement, but there again what do people such as myself and Delcac know about Octys and their handling.

End of this for me, as you are entitled to your opinion based on hearsay, I would sooner base mine on the experience of six years ownership of a modified Octy vRS.

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Gerry
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Beretta

Sorry, but forgot to ask how your rally driving friend can compare a formula 3 race car complete with driver that weighs as much as a wet fart, to a fully loaded Octy vRS with five occupants and a boot full of luggage??????
These two vehicles have totally different requirements.

As for the overhang not making a difference, just load your boot up to limit and tell me that the steering does not go a lot lighter, as that this will not effect the handling???

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Skoda performance was "IMPOSSIBLE", now its Japanese and 177 bhp and 295 lb ft torque of SMOG.
Gerry
"HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE"

AwesomeSarah

All I can say , is buy them and see how you get on
I know a couple who have tried the same and they do not work , sorry
When I came to this company , and Gerry will back me up here , they was selling a kit of the Octavia vRS and I said no
Then we have Gerry come back in with the springs wrong
The only way you will find out is by doing it
Hope that helps?
But it is just my 2p worth
Sarah

yellotaxi

Firstly He was just saying that even in tarmac spec his rally cars dont come close to 1000lb so a road car would never be that high that really what was meant.
plus he knows way more than me plus somone who just ownes a car, hes been rallying for 20 years so i think experience outways ownership.
He went into details that were way over my head about load weights ect ect but as for the golf platform they do sit down at the back anyway thats how VW/audi design them for handling on the sports models so by dropping again with the correct settings yes it will handle better, thats why you don't get mismatching coil spring kits on them.

At the end of the day i have eibach they fit perfect my car has neutral handling and anyone is welcome to check it out.
As for the Rs not been listed you could say the same about the lower strut brace from a Audi S3, again not listed for any Skoda but poeple fit them are they wrong are they risking they're lives??

Each to there own THE END

richm

The Eibach site just appears to quote "maximum axle load", which doesn't tell us anything about the spring rates I don't really understand the relevance of those figures, except to imply that a greater "max axle load" figure relates to an arbitrarily stiffer spring, one compared to another.