mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap

mluton · 22-05-2008, 18:00

With recent letters between Skoda UK and myself about my water leak problem.

They have stated in their latest letter..............

"Please be advised that all vehicles are designed to withstand a maximum power capacity and the vehicles structure's has been designed to safelty handle this power. It must be acknowledged that you have greatly increased the power of your engine to a level which the chassis and bodywork are not engineered to endure."

I'm sure Skoda have sold 2nd hand remapped cars. Mmmmmmmmmm

Steevie Wonder · 22-05-2008, 18:07

I shall wait for mine to fall apart then.....

**delcac** · 22-05-2008, 18:13

Anyone want to buy a shower cap.

mluton · 22-05-2008, 18:49

Also stated in the letter.........

"I can advise that goodwill gestures are discretionary and awarded following concideration of a customer's loyalty to our retailer network. Once a vehicle's warranty has expired, any issues are fully and carefully concidered on a case by case basis."

I've spent just under £800 at Skoda in less than 2 years.

bengie · 22-05-2008, 18:50

whats your original complaint?

Liverpool-Lad · 22-05-2008, 18:54

Oh, water was getting in between the strut top or something wasnt it?

mluton · 22-05-2008, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by bengie

whats your original complaint?

http://briskoda.net/forums/octavia-i...otwell/105108/
Then continued..........
http://briskoda.net/forums/octavia-i/todays-antics-water-footwells-continued/106401/

Liverpool-Lad · 22-05-2008, 19:40

Hmmm theyre the same thread?

mluton · 22-05-2008, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liverpool-Lad

Hmmm theyre the same thread?

Doh!, Now edited.

Bodge · 23-05-2008, 09:08

what balls!

now that they've stated that, you can surely ask them what the 'safe' power limit is for the chassis?!

they cant just throw out statements like "to a level which the chassis and bodywork are not engineered to endure".

i want numbers!! without numbers that statement is worthless.

they must have tested the chassis when developing the car.......

i can appreciate what they are saying, due to the monocoque twisting etc under higher torques, but you have to back these statements up with numbers.

AwesomeSarah · 23-05-2008, 09:09

So Skoda recon that a few BHP more and the car is unstable??????
Mmm
Dont think so
Sarah

mluton · 23-05-2008, 09:10

I will post up the 2 letters from Skoda UK. They say loads but dont explain anything.

claytarget_god · 23-05-2008, 11:00

see now I have that problem with water in the cabin, I have to park on level ground and between two mates cars ot the front of my block so it is not as bad. skoda didnt do anything really just blasted the car wi a jet washer and said the car was fine.

this unstable crap is B0ll0ks IMO.

anything to get out of sorting a fault on the car.

simonlb · 23-05-2008, 12:19

Sounds like total bollox to me. Let's be brutally frank about this, if the engine was really powerful enough to stretch the chassis due to a remap etc., it would rip itself off the engine mountings and the whole drivetrain would try to escape through the radiator grill the first time you tried to boot it from a standstill. And that's only if the tyres were still in one piece.

I don't profess to be either an engineer or a mechanic, but I do have a slight grasp of physics and logic. Honest.

KenONeill · 23-05-2008, 12:20

I'm pretty sure the 1.8t180, 1.9TDi130, and 2.0TDi140 weren't offered back in 1998, so are Skoda UK saying that these cars are pushing the limits of what the shell will physically handle? Actually, since it's torque that twists things, are they also claiming that a remapped 1.8T has more torque than the cited diesels?

kynastonp · 23-05-2008, 13:56

Whilst reading the service manual on the octy (trying to find out how to do a particular job ) it was interesting to note the number of modifications to the bodyshell that have been made for the VRS ,including seam welding for the top of the b pillar ,rear part of the sill,rear wheelarch,and the back edge of the rear door opening . and an extra plate in the rear wheelarch and strengthened bumper mounts .There is also the two diagonal braces in the boot just behind the rear seat .Also the brace from the front suspension turret to the bulkhead is different on the vrs and 4x4.

its like being back in the 70s working on type 49 bodyshells with the AVO rally handbook

KenONeill · 23-05-2008, 14:13

- I read that and thought AVO Escorts too!

Johnny50 · 23-05-2008, 14:34

As you mentioned, Skoda indeed sell "remapped" cars.

I looked at 2 in a dealer in Dumfries, complete with full warranty etc..

gazza247 · 27-05-2008, 21:05

cannot believe that there is not at the very least a 10% safety margin built in to the chasis, is this play with your life. This is surely why all those mods on the chasis have taken place?

mluton · 18-08-2008, 20:11

After all the letters with Skoda I found out I had a crap remap and my car was producing less power than standard, might bring this one to light again.

Lloyd55vrs · 18-08-2008, 20:29

what about all the police octys, they are all remapped to some degree,
sounds like a crock of ****e to me lol
that or our octys wont make old age lol lol but least they will be more fun ............ just for a shorted time lol

although im sure that at 140+i can here some air gettin in somewhere? lol but i thought i cant really go to skoda with that one lol

was8v · 18-08-2008, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by kynastonp

the number of modifications to the bodyshell that have been made for the VRS ,including seam welding for the top of the b pillar ,rear part of the sill,rear wheelarch,and the back edge of the rear door opening . and an extra plate in the rear wheelarch and strengthened bumper mounts .There is also the two diagonal braces in the boot just behind the rear seat .Also the brace from the front suspension turret to the bulkhead is different on the vrs and 4x4.

This is very interesting. How much difference does this make?

KenONeill · 19-08-2008, 08:56

There's another thread or 2 on this subject. Try a search for "finite element analysis".

22-05-2008, 18:00	#1
mluton Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Birmingham Posts: 6,408 Thanks: 46 Thanked 228 Times in 202 Posts	mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap With recent letters between Skoda UK and myself about my water leak problem. They have stated in their latest letter.............. "Please be advised that all vehicles are designed to withstand a maximum power capacity and the vehicles structure's has been designed to safelty handle this power. It must be acknowledged that you have greatly increased the power of your engine to a level which the chassis and bodywork are not engineered to endure." I'm sure Skoda have sold 2nd hand remapped cars. Mmmmmmmmmm __________________ Support Briskoda----------------------> Red Skoda Octavia V//RS Mods to date: Carbonio CAI Forge 007 DV Aero Wipers Briskoda Stickers KVW100 GB Wheel Inserts RS Tuning Remap Delocked Piper Cat Back Kenwood KDC-W6541U Fli Twin 12" Active Sub Parrot CK3100 *------------------------------------------------*

22-05-2008, 18:07	#2
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22-05-2008, 18:13	#3
delcac Still a **** Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chatham, Kent Posts: 7,396 Thanks: 16 Thanked 70 Times in 55 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap Anyone want to buy a shower cap. __________________ The Red Devil

22-05-2008, 18:49	#4
mluton Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Birmingham Posts: 6,408 Thanks: 46 Thanked 228 Times in 202 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap Also stated in the letter......... "I can advise that goodwill gestures are discretionary and awarded following concideration of a customer's loyalty to our retailer network. Once a vehicle's warranty has expired, any issues are fully and carefully concidered on a case by case basis." I've spent just under £800 at Skoda in less than 2 years. __________________ Support Briskoda----------------------> Red Skoda Octavia V//RS Mods to date: Carbonio CAI Forge 007 DV Aero Wipers Briskoda Stickers KVW100 GB Wheel Inserts RS Tuning Remap Delocked Piper Cat Back Kenwood KDC-W6541U Fli Twin 12" Active Sub Parrot CK3100 *------------------------------------------------*

22-05-2008, 18:50	#5
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,215 Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap whats your original complaint? __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

22-05-2008, 18:54	#6
Liverpool-Lad Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,648 Thanks: 12 Thanked 47 Times in 47 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap Oh, water was getting in between the strut top or something wasnt it? __________________ 2001 Rally Red Octavia vRS...remap complete Whiteline rear ARB, Superpro dogbone bush - 225/45/17 Goodyear Eagle F1 Aysmmetrics and lots of V-Power! Smiles all 'round

22-05-2008, 19:40	#8
Liverpool-Lad Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,648 Thanks: 12 Thanked 47 Times in 47 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap Hmmm theyre the same thread? __________________ 2001 Rally Red Octavia vRS...remap complete Whiteline rear ARB, Superpro dogbone bush - 225/45/17 Goodyear Eagle F1 Aysmmetrics and lots of V-Power! Smiles all 'round

23-05-2008, 09:08	#10
Bodge Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: England Posts: 840 Thanks: 117 Thanked 69 Times in 65 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap what balls! now that they've stated that, you can surely ask them what the 'safe' power limit is for the chassis?! they cant just throw out statements like "to a level which the chassis and bodywork are not engineered to endure". i want numbers!! without numbers that statement is worthless. they must have tested the chassis when developing the car....... i can appreciate what they are saying, due to the monocoque twisting etc under higher torques, but you have to back these statements up with numbers. __________________ Diamond Silver '02 Octavia vRS hatch

23-05-2008, 09:09	#11
AwesomeSarah Site Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,956 Thanks: 35 Thanked 186 Times in 166 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap So Skoda recon that a few BHP more and the car is unstable?????? Mmm Dont think so Sarah

23-05-2008, 09:10	#12
mluton Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Birmingham Posts: 6,408 Thanks: 46 Thanked 228 Times in 202 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap I will post up the 2 letters from Skoda UK. They say loads but dont explain anything. __________________ Support Briskoda----------------------> Red Skoda Octavia V//RS Mods to date: Carbonio CAI Forge 007 DV Aero Wipers Briskoda Stickers KVW100 GB Wheel Inserts RS Tuning Remap Delocked Piper Cat Back Kenwood KDC-W6541U Fli Twin 12" Active Sub Parrot CK3100 *------------------------------------------------*

23-05-2008, 11:00	#13
claytarget_god Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cardiff Posts: 705 Thanks: 58 Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap see now I have that problem with water in the cabin, I have to park on level ground and between two mates cars ot the front of my block so it is not as bad. skoda didnt do anything really just blasted the car wi a jet washer and said the car was fine. this unstable crap is B0ll0ks IMO. anything to get out of sorting a fault on the car. __________________ Done: PowerFlex Dogbone Bushes,Forge FMIC,CAI,forge DV,N75j, Longlife 200cel Cat 2.5" cat-back,Weitec GT coilovers,Whiteline 22mm ARB and S3 Front Lower Brace,SuperPRO Wishbone/Front ARB Bushes,Remap,LCR Front Splitter, Milotec front grills,EBC grooved/dimpled Discs,Black Diamond Predator Pads,18" Team Dynamic Pro Race 1.2(StarSilver) To Do: TIP,Tinted Windows, Front Bumper: Milotec Side Vents,Milotec Rear Bumper Splitter, VSport Custom Remap.

23-05-2008, 12:19	#14
simonlb Briskodian Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 381 Thanks: 3 Thanked 27 Times in 18 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap Sounds like total bollox to me. Let's be brutally frank about this, if the engine was really powerful enough to stretch the chassis due to a remap etc., it would rip itself off the engine mountings and the whole drivetrain would try to escape through the radiator grill the first time you tried to boot it from a standstill. And that's only if the tyres were still in one piece. I don't profess to be either an engineer or a mechanic, but I do have a slight grasp of physics and logic. Honest.

23-05-2008, 12:20	#15
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally somewhere in Scotland! Posts: 11,043 Thanks: 63 Thanked 548 Times in 536 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap I'm pretty sure the 1.8t180, 1.9TDi130, and 2.0TDi140 weren't offered back in 1998, so are Skoda UK saying that these cars are pushing the limits of what the shell will physically handle? Actually, since it's torque that twists things, are they also claiming that a remapped 1.8T has more torque than the cited diesels?

23-05-2008, 13:56	#16
kynastonp Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: south wales cardiff Posts: 191 Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap Whilst reading the service manual on the octy (trying to find out how to do a particular job ) it was interesting to note the number of modifications to the bodyshell that have been made for the VRS ,including seam welding for the top of the b pillar ,rear part of the sill,rear wheelarch,and the back edge of the rear door opening . and an extra plate in the rear wheelarch and strengthened bumper mounts .There is also the two diagonal braces in the boot just behind the rear seat .Also the brace from the front suspension turret to the bulkhead is different on the vrs and 4x4. its like being back in the 70s working on type 49 bodyshells with the AVO rally handbook

23-05-2008, 14:13	#17
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally somewhere in Scotland! Posts: 11,043 Thanks: 63 Thanked 548 Times in 536 Posts	Re: mk1 octavia vRS chassis and bodywork not engineered to endure a remap - I read that and thought AVO Escorts too!

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