Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road

GarryC · 07-05-2008, 17:17

Hello all,

Im after options on tyres for the Octy VRS. I need 225/40R18.

Want a more track style tyre but will still do say 8-10k miles. I dont use it alot, but when i do its quite hard and on the track

Im not saying i want cut slicks, and not saying i dont want eagles. Just any opinions on what you lot have tried.

I got a pretty good deal from Yokohama so thier range looks nice. But any ideas really, Eagles, Proxys etc....

Its got "Semperit" on at the moment and they are okay, but i cant seem to find much on them. (they came with the car).

Kind Regards

Garry

Tom_vRS · 07-05-2008, 17:18

888s

GarryC · 07-05-2008, 17:20

Forgot to say, budget is around the £400 - £500 mark

Its all the boss will release to me

Shes got Yoko Ao48s on her track car so its not really fair i think, lol

richm · 07-05-2008, 20:07

Toyo R888's will be the best value/performance by far, and for a track tyre they wear reasonably well, but maybe not 8-10K... and due consideration of wet weather useage cannot be ignored, they really don't like anything approaching standing water.
Best price for these will come from Reyland - Results Page - Toyo tyres
Maybe just the wrong side of your budget without a bit of colourful accounting though

Other than that, anything else in that price range will be a road tyre to one extent or another.
If you are willing to go to 17" then a serious contender is Bridgestone RE070, only available as 225/45/17 though, but as good as a road tyre gets, stiff sidewall and large-block tread which doesn't squirm around.
BRIDGESTONE TYRES / CAR / BRIDGESTONE RE070 POTENZA BRIDGESTONE RE 070 - 225/45R17 90W : £98.00 : Car Tyres - MPV Tyres - People Carrier Tyres : R17" - 225/45/17, 225/45 R 17 -

GarryC · 08-05-2008, 08:16

I have used the R888s before on Caterhams and such and your right, they are a bloody good tyre. I just need it to be a bit more longer lasting and a bit cheaper

The bridgestones are a nice tyre not used them myself but a few of my customers use them and rate them, but they need to be in 18" as i cant afford new wheels also at this time.

Here are a few of my options, what do you all think? And is there anything i have missed out?

- Advan V103

- Parada 2

- Proxes T1R

- New S Drives

- Eagle F1

- Semperit Direction Sport, my current fitment.

Thanks in advance

Regards

Garry

matt@theforce · 08-05-2008, 12:21

Having never been on a track I don't know how long these will last but in everyday driving and a very heavy right foot they did last about 20k miles on the front. They took alot of punishment and took a while to get warmed up and sticky. Wet weather driving they were OK and not too bad when the roads are greasy.

Yokohama AVS Sports

GarryC · 08-05-2008, 12:23

Cheers for that Matt. Great advice

Shall have to look into these also then

richm · 08-05-2008, 12:49

My track experience of Eagle F1's is that they overheat and go off quite quickly (4x4 sierra cosworth), but great on the road, including wet.
I suspect any road tyre will have similar issues on the track if used properly?
In the production saloon race series that we run in, which has a list of allowable tyres, most people use the RE070 if they can fit 17" rims, otherwise the Toyo T1R seems to be the one of choice (generally with the smaller cars), although for a heavyish FWD car these they may have issues with overheating

GarryC · 08-05-2008, 12:52

Thats true. In that case my quesion should probably be, whats the best road tryes i can get for around the £400 to £500 mark bearing in mind i would rather performance over life, as long as not TOO silly

Regards

Garry

KenONeill · 08-05-2008, 12:53

No track experience, but a hint if you go with T1-Rs; start with the pressures a couple of PSI up on book all round, cos you get underinflation wear patterns with the book figures.

matt@theforce · 08-05-2008, 16:51

the garage that recommended the Yokohama AVS sports used to use them on their Escort Cosworth and used todo quite a few track days with it. It was also their show car so only the best components went on it.

St.Albans Car Clinic - SCCPerformance.com

GarryC · 08-05-2008, 16:53

Oh i know Steve, he is a customer of mine

Will give him a call.

Anyone else got any experiance with the other models?

Kind Regards

Garry

**TaviaRS** · 08-05-2008, 17:02

Kumho Ecsta V70A (K6A compound or maybe a harder one) and they are available in that size... It's an update to the old V700 tyre.

Not sure on prices...

Octavia Vrs! · 08-05-2008, 19:01

I've got Toyo T1R-s on mine running 225-40-18. Im looking at changing these over even tho they are like new because they are RUBBISH. I hate them in the wet or any moisture at all. Never had a tyre slide about so much and wheel spin so easily. I go the nurburgring every year and last year these tyres were a massive dissapointment. After rave reveiws I'm swapping them for the new Goodyear eagle F1 Asymmetrics. People rave about the T1R-s, but how many have actually pushed them to their limit? Also tyre reveiws place them very much in the middle.

The goodyears are available from Camskill for just under a hundred quid each delivered.

Octavia Vrs! · 08-05-2008, 19:07

Also something to bear in mind when doing lots of track driving. Get a non directional tyre. As almost all tracks run clockwise your left hand rubber wears out far quicker and you can't change sides.
Another point lost by the T1R-s

GarryC · 09-05-2008, 08:43

Looks like the Advan V103 or Prada's then.

My thoughts on this are:

Not Proxys - Mixed reviews.
Not eagles - Everyone has them, i want to be a little different.
Not S Drives - Too new a tyre, not many have used it.
Not AVS Sport - Directionals

Any other comments?

Regards

Garry

KenONeill · 09-05-2008, 08:49

My view on T1-Rs; if they're as c@rp as Octavia_VRS makes out, why do so many people choose them?
My experience of same; they're not ideal in greasy conditions, but they're great in truly wet, and I get scared before I run out of grip in the dry!

richm · 09-05-2008, 09:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarryC

Looks like the Advan V103 or Prada's then.

My thoughts on this are:

Not Proxys - Mixed reviews.
Not eagles - Everyone has them, i want to be a little different.
Not S Drives - Too new a tyre, not many have used it.
Not AVS Sport - Directionals

Any other comments?

Regards

Garry

advans and parada's are directional too... ?

GarryC · 09-05-2008, 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by richm

advans and parada's are directional too... ?

Are they? Ooops. Its a pain cause i cant rotate my wheels front to rear (cause of the custom machining on the rears to get the correct offset. So i can only rotate them left to right so non directionals would be better.

That said, if its a better tyre then i will just have to take the tyres off to do it

richm · 09-05-2008, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarryC

Are they? Ooops. Its a pain cause i cant rotate my wheels front to rear (cause of the custom machining on the rears to get the correct offset. So i can only rotate them left to right so non directionals would be better.

That said, if its a better tyre then i will just have to take the tyres off to do it

yeah, if it were me, then the performance would be more important than the directional issues.
Chances are the tyres that work best are going to be directional anyway - generally the ones that work have got less effective tread on the outer shoulder to provide more solid rubber and less tread movement - look at the advans, paradas and RE070's to see what I mean.

07-05-2008, 17:17	#1
GarryC Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ashford, Kent Posts: 289 Thanks: 7 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road Hello all, Im after options on tyres for the Octy VRS. I need 225/40R18. Want a more track style tyre but will still do say 8-10k miles. I dont use it alot, but when i do its quite hard and on the track Im not saying i want cut slicks, and not saying i dont want eagles. Just any opinions on what you lot have tried. I got a pretty good deal from Yokohama so thier range looks nice. But any ideas really, Eagles, Proxys etc.... Its got "Semperit" on at the moment and they are okay, but i cant seem to find much on them. (they came with the car). Kind Regards Garry __________________ Black MK1 Octavia VRS - 18"BBS RC,H&R Coil Overs, Eibach Rear ARB, Golf R32 Front ARB, Custom Code -Phase 2,JBS CAI pipe, Forge Eliminator DV, Spec Clutch, Single mass flywheel + more

07-05-2008, 17:18	#2
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07-05-2008, 17:20	#3
GarryC Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ashford, Kent Posts: 289 Thanks: 7 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road Forgot to say, budget is around the £400 - £500 mark Its all the boss will release to me Shes got Yoko Ao48s on her track car so its not really fair i think, lol __________________ Black MK1 Octavia VRS - 18"BBS RC,H&R Coil Overs, Eibach Rear ARB, Golf R32 Front ARB, Custom Code -Phase 2,JBS CAI pipe, Forge Eliminator DV, Spec Clutch, Single mass flywheel + more

07-05-2008, 20:07	#4
richm Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Melksham Posts: 530 Thanks: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road Toyo R888's will be the best value/performance by far, and for a track tyre they wear reasonably well, but maybe not 8-10K... and due consideration of wet weather useage cannot be ignored, they really don't like anything approaching standing water. Best price for these will come from Reyland - Results Page - Toyo tyres Maybe just the wrong side of your budget without a bit of colourful accounting though Other than that, anything else in that price range will be a road tyre to one extent or another. If you are willing to go to 17" then a serious contender is Bridgestone RE070, only available as 225/45/17 though, but as good as a road tyre gets, stiff sidewall and large-block tread which doesn't squirm around. BRIDGESTONE TYRES / CAR / BRIDGESTONE RE070 POTENZA BRIDGESTONE RE 070 - 225/45R17 90W : £98.00 : Car Tyres - MPV Tyres - People Carrier Tyres : R17" - 225/45/17, 225/45 R 17 -

08-05-2008, 08:16	#5
GarryC Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ashford, Kent Posts: 289 Thanks: 7 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road I have used the R888s before on Caterhams and such and your right, they are a bloody good tyre. I just need it to be a bit more longer lasting and a bit cheaper The bridgestones are a nice tyre not used them myself but a few of my customers use them and rate them, but they need to be in 18" as i cant afford new wheels also at this time. Here are a few of my options, what do you all think? And is there anything i have missed out? - *Advan V103* - *Parada 2* - *Proxes T1R* - *New S Drives* - *Eagle F1* - Semperit Direction Sport, my current fitment. Thanks in advance Regards Garry __________________ Black MK1 Octavia VRS - 18"BBS RC,H&R Coil Overs, Eibach Rear ARB, Golf R32 Front ARB, Custom Code -Phase 2,JBS CAI pipe, Forge Eliminator DV, Spec Clutch, Single mass flywheel + more

08-05-2008, 12:23	#7
GarryC Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ashford, Kent Posts: 289 Thanks: 7 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road Cheers for that Matt. Great advice Shall have to look into these also then __________________ Black MK1 Octavia VRS - 18"BBS RC,H&R Coil Overs, Eibach Rear ARB, Golf R32 Front ARB, Custom Code -Phase 2,JBS CAI pipe, Forge Eliminator DV, Spec Clutch, Single mass flywheel + more

08-05-2008, 12:49	#8
richm Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Melksham Posts: 530 Thanks: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road My track experience of Eagle F1's is that they overheat and go off quite quickly (4x4 sierra cosworth), but great on the road, including wet. I suspect any road tyre will have similar issues on the track if used properly? In the production saloon race series that we run in, which has a list of allowable tyres, most people use the RE070 if they can fit 17" rims, otherwise the Toyo T1R seems to be the one of choice (generally with the smaller cars), although for a heavyish FWD car these they may have issues with overheating

08-05-2008, 12:52	#9
GarryC Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ashford, Kent Posts: 289 Thanks: 7 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road Thats true. In that case my quesion should probably be, whats the best road tryes i can get for around the £400 to £500 mark bearing in mind i would rather performance over life, as long as not TOO silly Regards Garry __________________ Black MK1 Octavia VRS - 18"BBS RC,H&R Coil Overs, Eibach Rear ARB, Golf R32 Front ARB, Custom Code -Phase 2,JBS CAI pipe, Forge Eliminator DV, Spec Clutch, Single mass flywheel + more

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KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally somewhere in Scotland! Posts: 10,381 Thanks: 56 Thanked 491 Times in 482 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road No track experience, but a hint if you go with T1-Rs; start with the pressures a couple of PSI up on book all round, cos you get underinflation wear patterns with the book figures.

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08-05-2008, 16:53	#12
GarryC Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ashford, Kent Posts: 289 Thanks: 7 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road Oh i know Steve, he is a customer of mine Will give him a call. Anyone else got any experiance with the other models? Kind Regards Garry __________________ Black MK1 Octavia VRS - 18"BBS RC,H&R Coil Overs, Eibach Rear ARB, Golf R32 Front ARB, Custom Code -Phase 2,JBS CAI pipe, Forge Eliminator DV, Spec Clutch, Single mass flywheel + more

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08-05-2008, 19:01	#14
Octavia Vrs! Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 403 Thanks: 23 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road I've got Toyo T1R-s on mine running 225-40-18. Im looking at changing these over even tho they are like new because they are RUBBISH. I hate them in the wet or any moisture at all. Never had a tyre slide about so much and wheel spin so easily. I go the nurburgring every year and last year these tyres were a massive dissapointment. After rave reveiws I'm swapping them for the new Goodyear eagle F1 Asymmetrics. People rave about the T1R-s, but how many have actually pushed them to their limit? Also tyre reveiws place them very much in the middle. The goodyears are available from Camskill for just under a hundred quid each delivered. __________________ There's nothing like seeing feathers going in the opposite direction to the bird! .......................................

08-05-2008, 19:07	#15
Octavia Vrs! Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 403 Thanks: 23 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road Also something to bear in mind when doing lots of track driving. Get a non directional tyre. As almost all tracks run clockwise your left hand rubber wears out far quicker and you can't change sides. Another point lost by the T1R-s __________________ There's nothing like seeing feathers going in the opposite direction to the bird! .......................................

09-05-2008, 08:43	#16
GarryC Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ashford, Kent Posts: 289 Thanks: 7 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road Looks like the Advan V103 or Prada's then. My thoughts on this are: Not Proxys - Mixed reviews. Not eagles - Everyone has them, i want to be a little different. Not S Drives - Too new a tyre, not many have used it. Not AVS Sport - Directionals Any other comments? Regards Garry __________________ Black MK1 Octavia VRS - 18"BBS RC,H&R Coil Overs, Eibach Rear ARB, Golf R32 Front ARB, Custom Code -Phase 2,JBS CAI pipe, Forge Eliminator DV, Spec Clutch, Single mass flywheel + more

09-05-2008, 08:49	#17
KenONeill Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Normally somewhere in Scotland! Posts: 10,381 Thanks: 56 Thanked 491 Times in 482 Posts	Re: Octavia VRS - Tyre options - more track than road My view on T1-Rs; if they're as c@rp as Octavia_VRS makes out, why do so many people choose them? My experience of same; they're not ideal in greasy conditions, but they're great in truly wet, and I get scared before I run out of grip in the dry!

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