Octy Bodyshell Query?

Groundzer0 · 18-03-2006, 05:38

Just a quick question. Are all Octavia bodyshells the same? Obviously I can see the difference in between the Hatch & the Estate. But I am talking about the underpinings.
What I am wondering is do they all have a centre prop tunnel? Or are the Octys that are designed to take a 4x4 running gear have different bodies to take it?
The reason I ask is that I was looking on the Awesome website at the MkII Golf that has had a 4x4 system strapped underneath it, and it got me thinking of a 4x4 vRS.
Has this been done or would it be too much work. Easier to get a 4x4 Octy and transplant a different engine??????

Dr Zoidberg · 18-03-2006, 09:31

It's been discussed before , and you would need to start with a 4*4 and add the VRS interior , bumpers and suitably lowered suspension. Once you remap the engine there will be very little difference between the 150bhp 4*4 and 180bhp vrs

daver · 18-03-2006, 09:55

On similar note, would it be possible to take an Octy 4 x 4 and put the Audi Quattro system on it? Hell you could go the whole hog and put the RS6 V8 into it

would be an interesting project

bengie · 18-03-2006, 10:58

don't think the V8 would ever fit, the 4x4 does use the quattro system anyway, the same system as the S3/TT.

because the V8 is longitudinal rather than transverse the front suspension will be completely different and not compatable, to do it you would need to have an A8 and chop the inside of the front end out to give you all the mounting point and space needed and probably do the same at the rear for the rear diff etc.

still don't think the RS6 V8 would fit in the engine bay though

bengie · 18-03-2006, 10:59

forgot to answer the original question

the 4x4 has a different floor pan to the FWD octavias so sadly wouldn't be that easy, the rear suspension is completely different too.

Groundzer0 · 19-03-2006, 00:32

Cheers,
Seems strange (and expensive) that a manufacturer would use two floor plans!
Like the idea of a RS6 V8 Octy though. I wouldn't say never on something like this, there are always some sort of Mad Scientist types out there with too much time on there hands, and access to power tools. I am sure that if you can cut 'n' shut a Ford Cosworth 4x4 engine and running gear into a R5 turbo shell you can do anything, remember seeing an escort cosworth with a small block chevy V8 & rwd

EddyH · 19-03-2006, 01:46

Sorry to take this OT but I've just realised you live in the same village as me!

An RS6 octy could be done but it'd be similar to the dahlback RS4 golf. e.g an RS4 Chassis with a modified Golf shell stuck on top. I've also seen this done with Mk2 golf shells on a porsche chassis. It's kinda cheating and is a bit like the shells you see on drag cars.

bengie · 19-03-2006, 04:04

at VWfest last year there was a TVR chimera chassis with a mk2 body on it

looked pretty sexy.

RallyRed · 20-03-2006, 02:36

octavia doesnt use quattro like the RS6 .
The octavia and all the other golf based vag 4x4 cars ie transverse engined ones use a Haldex 4x4 system.
This is totally different to the quattro system on longitudinal engined cars like A4's RS4's Passats.
you can pretty uch stick any engine in any car the only limits are your skill or budjet.

EddyH · 20-03-2006, 10:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by RallyRed

octavia doesnt use quattro like the RS6 .
The octavia and all the other golf based vag 4x4 cars ie transverse engined ones use a Haldex 4x4 system.
This is totally different to the quattro system on longitudinal engined cars like A4's RS4's Passats.
you can pretty uch stick any engine in any car the only limits are your skill or budjet.

What Bengie said is correct. The 4x4 uses the haldex system as found on the TT and S3 which is badged quattro on those models and 4-motion on the golf. Also Passats do use the same (Torsen) 4wd system as the A4 but again it's badged 4-motion on the VW variants.

Quattro is simply a badge name for 4wd and doesn't refer to a particular system of achieving it.

bengie · 20-03-2006, 10:58

ner ner, ner ner, ner

i know about the different systems used but as eddy said the haldex system is still badged quattro on smaller audi's

18-03-2006, 05:38	#1
Groundzer0 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hemsworth, Pontefract, West Yorks Posts: 171 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Octy Bodyshell Query? Just a quick question. Are all Octavia bodyshells the same? Obviously I can see the difference in between the Hatch & the Estate. But I am talking about the underpinings. What I am wondering is do they all have a centre prop tunnel? Or are the Octys that are designed to take a 4x4 running gear have different bodies to take it? The reason I ask is that I was looking on the Awesome website at the MkII Golf that has had a 4x4 system strapped underneath it, and it got me thinking of a 4x4 vRS. Has this been done or would it be too much work. Easier to get a 4x4 Octy and transplant a different engine?????? __________________ Black Mk1 Octavia vRS Black is the new...........Er!!!

18-03-2006, 09:31	#2
Dr Zoidberg Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the back of an AA truck with a failed turbo Posts: 10,735 Thanks: 30 Thanked 193 Times in 144 Posts	Re: Octy Bodyshell Query? It's been discussed before , and you would need to start with a 44 and add the VRS interior , bumpers and suitably lowered suspension. Once you remap the engine there will be very little difference between the 150bhp 44 and 180bhp vrs __________________ Alex "I laugh in the face of danger, then I hide until it goes away" www.drzoidberg.co.uk

18-03-2006, 09:55	#3
daver Skudmunki Join Date: May 2003 Location: Northwest Posts: 484 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Octy Bodyshell Query? On similar note, would it be possible to take an Octy 4 x 4 and put the Audi Quattro system on it? Hell you could go the whole hog and put the RS6 V8 into it would be an interesting project __________________ http://www.sloganizer.net/en/] Diamond Silver 54 Octy vRS Mk1, 18" TT Quattro Black / Polished rims, 225x40x18 Goodyear F1 GSD3,a Forge FMIC, Forge Eliminator DV , 4bar FPR, HID Hi/Lo Mains and fogs, LED purewhite LED Sidelights, HID Fogs, Silvervision Indicator bulbs all round, Headlight protectors...

18-03-2006, 10:58	#4
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,215 Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Octy Bodyshell Query? don't think the V8 would ever fit, the 4x4 does use the quattro system anyway, the same system as the S3/TT. because the V8 is longitudinal rather than transverse the front suspension will be completely different and not compatable, to do it you would need to have an A8 and chop the inside of the front end out to give you all the mounting point and space needed and probably do the same at the rear for the rear diff etc. still don't think the RS6 V8 would fit in the engine bay though __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

18-03-2006, 10:59	#5
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,215 Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Octy Bodyshell Query? forgot to answer the original question the 4x4 has a different floor pan to the FWD octavias so sadly wouldn't be that easy, the rear suspension is completely different too. __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

19-03-2006, 00:32	#6
Groundzer0 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hemsworth, Pontefract, West Yorks Posts: 171 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Octy Bodyshell Query? Cheers, Seems strange (and expensive) that a manufacturer would use two floor plans! Like the idea of a RS6 V8 Octy though. I wouldn't say never on something like this, there are always some sort of Mad Scientist types out there with too much time on there hands, and access to power tools. I am sure that if you can cut 'n' shut a Ford Cosworth 4x4 engine and running gear into a R5 turbo shell you can do anything, remember seeing an escort cosworth with a small block chevy V8 & rwd __________________ Black Mk1 Octavia vRS Black is the new...........Er!!!

19-03-2006, 01:46	#7
EddyH Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 4,902 Thanks: 41 Thanked 26 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Octy Bodyshell Query? Sorry to take this OT but I've just realised you live in the same village as me! An RS6 octy could be done but it'd be similar to the dahlback RS4 golf. e.g an RS4 Chassis with a modified Golf shell stuck on top. I've also seen this done with Mk2 golf shells on a porsche chassis. It's kinda cheating and is a bit like the shells you see on drag cars. __________________ EddyH Audi A6 Avant 2.7 TDI Audi A3 2.0 TDI Sport

19-03-2006, 04:04	#8
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,215 Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Octy Bodyshell Query? at VWfest last year there was a TVR chimera chassis with a mk2 body on it looked pretty sexy. __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

20-03-2006, 02:36	#9
RallyRed Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: scotland Posts: 431 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Octy Bodyshell Query? octavia doesnt use quattro like the RS6 . The octavia and all the other golf based vag 4x4 cars ie transverse engined ones use a Haldex 4x4 system. This is totally different to the quattro system on longitudinal engined cars like A4's RS4's Passats. you can pretty uch stick any engine in any car the only limits are your skill or budjet. __________________ My Audiworl sig i too lazy to do a briskoda one

20-03-2006, 10:58	#11
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,215 Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Octy Bodyshell Query? ner ner, ner ner, ner i know about the different systems used but as eddy said the haldex system is still badged quattro on smaller audi's __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

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