SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda

greg123 · 12-12-2007, 15:24

Guys and gals,

I have a 2nd hand remote I wanted to code in with vag-com, went to the dealer - NO dealers can supply the SKC now. The Mansfield dealer can't even get the radio code now, each time a battery is disconnected they have to bring the car in and hook it up to Skoda and they cannot see the key.

Anyhow - my key, turns out my lock specialist said it's locked. He said Skoda are locking the keys to the cars and they can't be re-coded. 2002 on. So I bought a key and a) I can't get the key code from skoda (SKC) and other info to work on the car and b) the key I bought has the transponder locked so no one, even skoda, can help.

I have emailed a complaint re freedom of information and block licencing to Skoda UK and will update you on their response.

I'm currently trying to get a refund/swap for another key on ebay that isn't locked, but even then I am not going to be able to do the job myself unless I can get the SKC from Skoda.

Comments please, I'll update the thread as I know more. This should be of interest for anyone who does not wish to have to book their car into Skoda and pay £160 to them for a new key when they had a perfectly good 2nd hand one that could, a couple of months ago, have been coded just fine.

Incidentally the locked key was a 3 button.

Greg.

VRSPhil · 12-12-2007, 15:43

I didn't think the data on the transponder could be modified... so I don't see how it can be locked. I have limited knowledge though so I could easily be wrong.

With regards to the code, I phoned the dealer who sold my vehicle from new (I bought it as a used car), they had the code recorded in their records and gave me it for free. This was just about 12 days ago, so it might be worth giving that a shot if you haven't already.

greg123 · 12-12-2007, 15:53

He has some serious kit, put the key in and it comes up 'locked' - showed me another key and it comes up with something else, and can be programed - not mine. Also I contacted the supplying dealer for my car and the answer is 'sorry, we destroy all records over 12 months old and now even Skoda wont' give us the codes when the internet link is down so even we get stuck and we are a main dealer'.

fordfan · 12-12-2007, 17:57

You don't need the SKC to code the remote, this is synchronised/matched to the car through the convenience system, 46, 10, 00 (erase all remotes) 01. You do need the SKC if you need to program the key to the immobiliser this is done through the instrument panel, 17, 11, 10 & 21.

I 100% agree with you that Skoda are using the security excuse to break the block exemption rules to keep people tied to their dealer network for certain jobs.

If you can identify the transponder type, there are internet sellers that can supply them. Some transponders must be locked to an individual car but they must still be able to be written to as when you program keys they all have to be done in the same session, any that aren't will not start the car.

You could try software like VAG Tacho, I used it a few weeks back to get an SKC from an Octavia.

A milestone for me, my 1000th post!

**VRStu** · 12-12-2007, 18:00

I've mentioned this before that under the block exepmtion rules you should be able to get the code as long as you can provide the necessary proof of ownership etc.

SimonJ · 12-12-2007, 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by fordfan

You don't need the SKC to code the remote, this is synchronised/matched to the car through the convenience system, 46, 10, 00 (erase all remotes) 01.

Can this be done with the unregistered version of VAGCOM?

**VRStu** · 12-12-2007, 19:13

It can be done without VAG-COM.

Fabia-vrs.com - Key Coding

SimonJ · 12-12-2007, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

It can be done without VAG-COM.

Fabia-vrs.com - Key Coding

But I have delocked my car and the remote I want to program doesn't have a blade.

greg123 · 12-12-2007, 19:27

CONGRATULATIONS on your 1000th post! And thanks for helping here (your 1000th post generated a 'thanks' from me lol).

Re the car, I'm not talking about the central locking that's easy as you mentioned. But the immobliser side he said is totally locked to the previous car, they have a way of doing it so that it can never be re-coded again unlike the remotes that are coded but do not respond 'locked'. He is buying a £1,600 machine that may be able to deal with the issue but the software is not finished yet, after new year. I guess it takes a programmer to figure out how they lock the key and then reverse engineer it, then build a machine to interface with it etc etc...

When you say there are internet sellers that can supply the transponders, do you mean a compatible key like I bought or do you mean a new (unprogrammed) transponder to put into the 2nd hand key that will take programing?

I will probably have more of these to do in future (in fact I have another waiting) so I might pm you about vag tacho etc if that's okay.

Greg.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fordfan

You don't need the SKC to code the remote, this is synchronised/matched to the car through the convenience system, 46, 10, 00 (erase all remotes) 01. You do need the SKC if you need to program the key to the immobiliser this is done through the instrument panel, 17, 11, 10 & 21.

I 100% agree with you that Skoda are using the security excuse to break the block exemption rules to keep people tied to their dealer network for certain jobs.

If you can identify the transponder type, there are internet sellers that can supply them. Some transponders must be locked to an individual car but they must still be able to be written to as when you program keys they all have to be done in the same session, any that aren't will not start the car.

You could try software like VAG Tacho, I used it a few weeks back to get an SKC from an Octavia.

A milestone for me, my 1000th post!

greg123 · 12-12-2007, 19:33

Then use vag-com or take it to a garage/someone with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonJ

But I have delocked my car and the remote I want to program doesn't have a blade.

greg123 · 12-12-2007, 19:35

Stu, always helpful - thankyou I did take note of your previous posts. I decided to make a new thread and combine it with the locked transponder issue as I searched but can't see a definitive answer for either that or the skc issue, but I did take your advice and write to Skoda re the block exemption (in my motor trade mag this week too) and FOI for good measure. I'll post back when I get a reply....

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

I've mentioned this before that under the block exepmtion rules you should be able to get the code as long as you can provide the necessary proof of ownership etc.

SimonJ · 12-12-2007, 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg123

Then use vag-com or take it to a garage/someone with it.

That's why I asked if I need a registered copy or not.

greg123 · 12-12-2007, 20:00

Sorry Simon I didn't see that post, I think you do but don't quote me. Hopefully someone else will post with a definitive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonJ

That's why I asked if I need a registered copy or not.

fordfan · 12-12-2007, 20:35

Transponder info:

http://www.avtotools.com/products_fi...mos_crypto.pdf

from that discription of EEPROM, suggests eraseable and programmable to me.

Transponder seller: (search for part AKTP2)

http://www.hickleyvaltone.com/diagnostics/keys_list.php

Transponder catalogue:

http://www.bursaanahtar.net/catalogue.pdf

Having never used the shareware VAG Com, I am not clear as to what its limitations are.

Just read the info and it has an unalterable ID.

VAG Tacho on E Bay at around £30. So theoretically you could be all done for less than £40.

richm · 12-12-2007, 23:35

there are plenty of independent operators around who can read SKC codes out of your car, either from the dash or ECU - equipment like Advanced Diagnostics AD100, SP ACR4 etc will extract SKC from your vehicle systems.

**VRStu** · 13-12-2007, 10:48

I don't think the unregistered version will do key adaption.

greg123 · 14-12-2007, 18:16

Got a reply from Skoda. No mention of Block Exemption and no mention of the fact that they do have access to SKC as they put it in the car in the first place.... See what you think of this:

Thank you for your email.

I was sorry to learn of the difficulties that you have experienced with your Skoda Octavia.

I can confirm that the SKC code information that you have requested is unavailable and I can also advise that the retailers do not have access to these details. The radio code number can be obtained by any retailer who has the correct diagnostic equipment, although we recommend that the work is undertaken by an approved Skoda retailer.

With regards to the coding of a new key, this will also require the vehicle to be connected to the diagnostic system although, this will not be able to produce any other code numbers for your vehicle.

Should you require the code for your radio or a separate key coded for your vehicle, please contact your local Skoda approved retailer. For your convenience I have enclosed their details:

Clock Garage
Nottingham Road
Spondon
Derby
Derbyshire
DE21 7GW
Tel: 01332 663359

Thank you for taking the time to contact us and for giving us the opportunity to clarify our position.

Yours sincerely

Terry Gallagher
Customer Service Specialist
SkodaAuto Customer Service

mattbeef · 14-12-2007, 18:32

so a big fob off from SKU great stuff

**VRStu** · 15-12-2007, 01:10

It's borrocks - Ask them to provide you with the 4 digit SKC and tell them you have your own tool to program it.

smstext · 15-12-2007, 03:29

what does the vag tacho do?

**VRStu** · 15-12-2007, 10:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by smstext

what does the vag tacho do?

Erase this from your mind and forget you ever heard of it - I know what your like

mattbeef · 15-12-2007, 13:38

Stu assuming you have a dealer that will get you the SKU what would they charge you?

**VRStu** · 15-12-2007, 13:40

They can't see them that's the problem, it's all done online with VAS. It's not the dealers being awkward it's VAG new policy.

**VRStu** · 15-12-2007, 13:42

This is old info but might have some use

Quote:

Immobiliser pin codes should not under any circumstances be applied for on behalf of a third
party e.g. locksmith, non-authorised dealer etc. If they wish to apply for Secure codes, they may
contact Vanessa Thomson (Security & Quality Analyst) on 01908 601925, as there is a specific
process by which Independent Repairers can obtain Secure Codes.

smstext · 15-12-2007, 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

Erase this from your mind and forget you ever heard of it - I know what your like

Would i do such a thing

12-12-2007, 15:24	#1
greg123 Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nottingham, J26 M1 Posts: 444 Members Car: too many to list, Inc '02 Octavia L&K Estate 1.8T auto - soon for sale Thanks: 13 Thanked 36 Times in 34 Posts	SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda Guys and gals, I have a 2nd hand remote I wanted to code in with vag-com, went to the dealer - NO dealers can supply the SKC now. The Mansfield dealer can't even get the radio code now, each time a battery is disconnected they have to bring the car in and hook it up to Skoda and they cannot see the key. Anyhow - my key, turns out my lock specialist said it's locked. He said Skoda are locking the keys to the cars and they can't be re-coded. 2002 on. So I bought a key and a) I can't get the key code from skoda (SKC) and other info to work on the car and b) the key I bought has the transponder locked so no one, even skoda, can help. I have emailed a complaint re freedom of information and block licencing to Skoda UK and will update you on their response. I'm currently trying to get a refund/swap for another key on ebay that isn't locked, but even then I am not going to be able to do the job myself unless I can get the SKC from Skoda. Comments please, I'll update the thread as I know more. This should be of interest for anyone who does not wish to have to book their car into Skoda and pay £160 to them for a new key when they had a perfectly good 2nd hand one that could, a couple of months ago, have been coded just fine. Incidentally the locked key was a 3 button. Greg.

12-12-2007, 15:43	#2
VRSPhil Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cleveland Posts: 2,318 Members Car: Passat Sport TDi Thanks: 206 Thanked 205 Times in 149 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda I didn't think the data on the transponder could be modified... so I don't see how it can be locked. I have limited knowledge though so I could easily be wrong. With regards to the code, I phoned the dealer who sold my vehicle from new (I bought it as a used car), they had the code recorded in their records and gave me it for free. This was just about 12 days ago, so it might be worth giving that a shot if you haven't already. __________________ '54 Passat PD130 Sport... 55mpg Octavia vRS WRC - Gone but not forgotten!

12-12-2007, 15:53	#3
greg123 Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nottingham, J26 M1 Posts: 444 Members Car: too many to list, Inc '02 Octavia L&K Estate 1.8T auto - soon for sale Thanks: 13 Thanked 36 Times in 34 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda He has some serious kit, put the key in and it comes up 'locked' - showed me another key and it comes up with something else, and can be programed - not mine. Also I contacted the supplying dealer for my car and the answer is 'sorry, we destroy all records over 12 months old and now even Skoda wont' give us the codes when the internet link is down so even we get stuck and we are a main dealer'.

12-12-2007, 17:57	#4
fordfan ECUless Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,065 Members Car: Thanks: 31 Thanked 252 Times in 220 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda You don't need the SKC to code the remote, this is synchronised/matched to the car through the convenience system, 46, 10, 00 (erase all remotes) 01. You do need the SKC if you need to program the key to the immobiliser this is done through the instrument panel, 17, 11, 10 & 21. I 100% agree with you that Skoda are using the security excuse to break the block exemption rules to keep people tied to their dealer network for certain jobs. If you can identify the transponder type, there are internet sellers that can supply them. Some transponders must be locked to an individual car but they must still be able to be written to as when you program keys they all have to be done in the same session, any that aren't will not start the car. You could try software like VAG Tacho, I used it a few weeks back to get an SKC from an Octavia. A milestone for me, my 1000th post! Last edited by fordfan; 12-12-2007 at 18:02.

12-12-2007, 18:00	#5
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda I've mentioned this before that under the block exepmtion rules you should be able to get the code as long as you can provide the necessary proof of ownership etc. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

12-12-2007, 19:13	#7
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda It can be done without VAG-COM. Fabia-vrs.com - Key Coding __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

12-12-2007, 20:35	#14
fordfan ECUless Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,065 Members Car: Thanks: 31 Thanked 252 Times in 220 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda Transponder info: http://www.avtotools.com/products_fi...mos_crypto.pdf from that discription of EEPROM, suggests eraseable and programmable to me. Transponder seller: (search for part AKTP2) http://www.hickleyvaltone.com/diagnostics/keys_list.php Transponder catalogue: http://www.bursaanahtar.net/catalogue.pdf Having never used the shareware VAG Com, I am not clear as to what its limitations are. Just read the info and it has an unalterable ID. VAG Tacho on E Bay at around £30. So theoretically you could be all done for less than £40. Last edited by fordfan; 12-12-2007 at 20:46.

12-12-2007, 23:35	#15
richm Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Melksham Posts: 540 Members Car: vRS Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda there are plenty of independent operators around who can read SKC codes out of your car, either from the dash or ECU - equipment like Advanced Diagnostics AD100, SP ACR4 etc will extract SKC from your vehicle systems.

13-12-2007, 10:48	#16
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda I don't think the unregistered version will do key adaption. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

14-12-2007, 18:16	#17
greg123 Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nottingham, J26 M1 Posts: 444 Members Car: too many to list, Inc '02 Octavia L&K Estate 1.8T auto - soon for sale Thanks: 13 Thanked 36 Times in 34 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda Got a reply from Skoda. No mention of Block Exemption and no mention of the fact that they do have access to SKC as they put it in the car in the first place.... See what you think of this: Thank you for your email. I was sorry to learn of the difficulties that you have experienced with your Skoda Octavia. I can confirm that the SKC code information that you have requested is unavailable and I can also advise that the retailers do not have access to these details. The radio code number can be obtained by any retailer who has the correct diagnostic equipment, although we recommend that the work is undertaken by an approved Skoda retailer. With regards to the coding of a new key, this will also require the vehicle to be connected to the diagnostic system although, this will not be able to produce any other code numbers for your vehicle. Should you require the code for your radio or a separate key coded for your vehicle, please contact your local Skoda approved retailer. For your convenience I have enclosed their details: Clock Garage Nottingham Road Spondon Derby Derbyshire DE21 7GW Tel: 01332 663359 Thank you for taking the time to contact us and for giving us the opportunity to clarify our position. Yours sincerely Terry Gallagher Customer Service Specialist SkodaAuto Customer Service

14-12-2007, 18:32	#18
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15-12-2007, 01:10	#19
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda It's borrocks - Ask them to provide you with the 4 digit SKC and tell them you have your own tool to program it. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

15-12-2007, 03:29	#20
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15-12-2007, 13:38	#22
mattbeef Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sheffield Posts: 3,362 Members Car: Red Octy vRS Thanks: 36 Thanked 116 Times in 115 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda Stu assuming you have a dealer that will get you the SKU what would they charge you? __________________ I few bits here and there but im happy to Performance Torque Go on click me you know you want to

15-12-2007, 13:40	#23
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: SKC no more, Locked Keys and Skoda They can't see them that's the problem, it's all done online with VAS. It's not the dealers being awkward it's VAG new policy. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio