Speak rattle

ethos · 06-06-2007, 13:03

Hi guys,

Just bought a 51 magic black vRS (mmmm). Problem is, when I turn the bass up a bit and have it at a decent volume I can hear a rattle / creak etc...

Kind of annoying, anyone else had this?

Mike C · 06-06-2007, 13:05

If its the standard system and you've got lots of bass then it might just be that the speakers can't handle it. The standard Octy Speakers are awful!

iain · 06-06-2007, 13:24

if you look in the ice and insurance section there is a mod for cutting the door lining to help.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/ice-s...d-stereo/1976/

I have not done this so I am not sure what the results are. altough I am sure someone can tell you

Mike C · 06-06-2007, 13:27

I did that and changed the speakers... sounds great now!

ethos · 06-06-2007, 14:03

Wow, quick replies!

I've got the cambelt, water pump and the air con to regass first and might look into upgrading the speakers then!!!!!

Thanks for the link on cutting the door lining out, I will look into it!

Timo · 06-06-2007, 14:21

I had this, and found out that the owner before had placed the original speakers back in when he sold it to me, and the wires were just twisted together if that.
I found that if I had the LOUD button on the stereo it would crackle, but if I turned it off, they would sound ok.

Mike C · 06-06-2007, 14:25

I removed the door lining around the back of the speakers all together and have had no problems so far... fingers crossed... but I know some have had water leakage in the front footwells caused by this!

LJ_Matt · 06-06-2007, 15:38

Get yourself a sub and filter the standard speakers for above 125Hz (e.g) only - that way you can cane the system nicely without risking getting leaky doors

.
Mine sounds just right with a custom 12" sub in the boot and a sony headunit.
I thought I'd have to replace the stock speakers but they don't sound too bad when EQ'd properly on a better head unit IMHO.

ethos · 06-06-2007, 15:41

How would the sub plug into the current system? I'm guessing I'd need an active sub...

What sort of price are we talking?

I'd be happy to keep the standard speakers and take the bass off and rely on the bass from teh sub. Sounds like a cheap / less hassle solution.

This forum is great for quick replies too!

Mike C · 06-06-2007, 15:48

Think you'd probably have to change the HU to add a sub... might be wrong tho as I seem to be that today!

I'd have thought the sub would be a more expensive option as you'd need an amp unless you get the active system like your suggesting and then need to route the cable from the fron of the car and battery to the boot.

You'd also need an equiliser / filter to process the sound to the standard front speakers.

If you ask me, the best place to start is to change the fronts to something that can handle a bit more bass and then think about upgrading the HU to get the full benefit of the new speakers.

fatty5000 · 06-06-2007, 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by LJ_Matt

Get yourself a sub and filter the standard speakers for above 125Hz (e.g) only - that way you can cane the system nicely without risking getting leaky doors

.
Mine sounds just right with a custom 12" sub in the boot and a sony headunit.
I thought I'd have to replace the stock speakers but they don't sound too bad when EQ'd properly on a better head unit IMHO.

I'll second that i got a kenwood HU which has x-overs built that allows you to filter the mids and highs which does make the standard speakers sound a whole lot better

Mike C · 06-06-2007, 16:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty5000

I'll second that i got a kenwood HU which has x-overs built that allows you to filter the mids and highs which does make the standard speakers sound a whole lot better

Blimey, aftermarket HUs have come on a bit since I was heavily into all that!

iain · 06-06-2007, 17:00

you can get get an adaptor for the skoda headunit to plug a sub in. it goes in next to the cd changer on the back

wether it is any good I don't know.

LJ_Matt · 06-06-2007, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike C

Think you'd probably have to change the HU to add a sub... might be wrong tho as I seem to be that today!

I'd have thought the sub would be a more expensive option as you'd need an amp unless you get the active system like your suggesting and then need to route the cable from the fron of the car and battery to the boot.

You'd also need an equiliser / filter to process the sound to the standard front speakers.

If you ask me, the best place to start is to change the fronts to something that can handle a bit more bass and then think about upgrading the HU to get the full benefit of the new speakers.

Sorry, yes you're right - you would need something to drive the sub.
I built my own box to house a pioneer 12" bought for around the £70 mark and used a £50 300W ripspeed (yeah, I know

) amp to run it. This did all involve running a 10mm power feed right down from the battery and a set of audio leads also.
My head unit has built in crossovers with seperate sub, front and rear outputs and there are customisable eq programs built in too. The filters are limited to 78 or 125Hz high or low but seem to do the job.
I'd change the fronts if I: a) thought I could do it WITHOUT cutting away any membrane material - it's there for a reason and b)f I felt the improvement would be that significant.
Granted that my entire setup would cost the best part of £1500 to buy new (including changers etc) but a half decent head unit and active or amped sub would probably see healthy improvements for under £500.
You pays up and takes your choice I guess

fatty5000 · 06-06-2007, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike C

Blimey, aftermarket HUs have come on a bit since I was heavily into all that!

I know i was surprised when i looked at it how many functions for x-over it had
years ago i paid £650 for a pioneer dsp

Quote:

Originally Posted by LJ_Matt

Sorry, yes you're right - you would need something to drive the sub.
I built my own box to house a pioneer 12" bought for around the £70 mark and used a £50 300W ripspeed (yeah, I know

) amp to run it. This did all involve running a 10mm power feed right down from the battery and a set of audio leads also.
My head unit has built in crossovers with seperate sub, front and rear outputs and there are customisable eq programs built in too. The filters are limited to 78 or 125Hz high or low but seem to do the job.
I'd change the fronts if I: a) thought I could do it WITHOUT cutting away any membrane material - it's there for a reason and b)f I felt the improvement would be that significant.
Granted that my entire setup would cost the best part of £1500 to buy new (including changers etc) but a half decent head unit and active or amped sub would probably see healthy improvements for under £500.
You pays up and takes your choice I guess

My set up cost £330

£150 for sub and amp JBL

£180 for HU

A slight difference from a while back when i spent about £5k in a bag of ****e sierra serious sound though my hearing has never really recovered

LJ_Matt · 07-06-2007, 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty5000

My set up cost £330

£150 for sub and amp JBL

£180 for HU

My head unit was £300 (online, was £450 in hellfrauds at the time) - it's still on sale at my local sony centre on clearance for more than I paid a few years ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty5000

A slight difference from a while back when i spent about £5k in a bag of ****e sierra serious sound though my hearing has never really recovered

Pardon? What did you say?

fatty5000 · 07-06-2007, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by LJ_Matt

My head unit was £300 (online, was £450 in hellfrauds at the time) - it's still on sale at my local sony centre on clearance for more than I paid a few years ago

Pardon? What did you say?

Did someone speak lol

Yeah i had a deal off the guy that used to sell me all the gear years ago he was rubbing his hands when i walked in the shop. He used to love me in my youth when i couldn't say no but all he got me to do was buy the better HU as i only wanted to spend £100 i think he knocked about £100 of the price for his old friend (mug)

ethos · 09-06-2007, 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by iain

you can get get an adaptor for the skoda headunit to plug a sub in. it goes in next to the cd changer on the back

wether it is any good I don't know.

Any idea where you can get these?

06-06-2007, 13:03	#1
ethos Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1,179 Members Car: Thanks: 60 Thanked 37 Times in 33 Posts	Speak rattle Hi guys, Just bought a 51 magic black vRS (mmmm). Problem is, when I turn the bass up a bit and have it at a decent volume I can hear a rattle / creak etc... Kind of annoying, anyone else had this?

06-06-2007, 13:05	#2
Mike C Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: East Sussex and Sometimes North Yorks. and sometimes in between! Posts: 231 Members Car: Skoda Octavia VRS Thanks: 32 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Speak rattle If its the standard system and you've got lots of bass then it might just be that the speakers can't handle it. The standard Octy Speakers are awful! __________________ Octavia Mk 1 VRS, Black Magic

06-06-2007, 13:24	#3
iain Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the great north west Posts: 227 Members Car: octavia Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Speak rattle if you look in the ice and insurance section there is a mod for cutting the door lining to help. http://www.briskoda.net/forums/ice-s...d-stereo/1976/ I have not done this so I am not sure what the results are. altough I am sure someone can tell you

06-06-2007, 13:27	#4
Mike C Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: East Sussex and Sometimes North Yorks. and sometimes in between! Posts: 231 Members Car: Skoda Octavia VRS Thanks: 32 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Speak rattle I did that and changed the speakers... sounds great now! __________________ Octavia Mk 1 VRS, Black Magic

06-06-2007, 14:03	#5
ethos Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1,179 Members Car: Thanks: 60 Thanked 37 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Speak rattle Wow, quick replies! I've got the cambelt, water pump and the air con to regass first and might look into upgrading the speakers then!!!!! Thanks for the link on cutting the door lining out, I will look into it!

06-06-2007, 14:21	#6
Timo Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Miles from where I want to be. Posts: 395 Members Car: Octy VRS Tdi Thanks: 9 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Speak rattle I had this, and found out that the owner before had placed the original speakers back in when he sold it to me, and the wires were just twisted together if that. I found that if I had the LOUD button on the stereo it would crackle, but if I turned it off, they would sound ok.

06-06-2007, 14:25	#7
Mike C Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: East Sussex and Sometimes North Yorks. and sometimes in between! Posts: 231 Members Car: Skoda Octavia VRS Thanks: 32 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Speak rattle I removed the door lining around the back of the speakers all together and have had no problems so far... fingers crossed... but I know some have had water leakage in the front footwells caused by this! __________________ Octavia Mk 1 VRS, Black Magic

06-06-2007, 15:38	#8
LJ_Matt Light Jockey! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somerset, UK Posts: 671 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Mk1 Thanks: 2 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Speak rattle Get yourself a sub and filter the standard speakers for above 125Hz (e.g) only - that way you can cane the system nicely without risking getting leaky doors . Mine sounds just right with a custom 12" sub in the boot and a sony headunit. I thought I'd have to replace the stock speakers but they don't sound too bad when EQ'd properly on a better head unit IMHO. __________________ Regards, Matt ________________________________________________ Assumption is the mother of all foul ups Now proud owner of a Kawasaki ER-6F too!

06-06-2007, 15:41	#9
ethos Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1,179 Members Car: Thanks: 60 Thanked 37 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Speak rattle How would the sub plug into the current system? I'm guessing I'd need an active sub... What sort of price are we talking? I'd be happy to keep the standard speakers and take the bass off and rely on the bass from teh sub. Sounds like a cheap / less hassle solution. This forum is great for quick replies too!

06-06-2007, 15:48	#10
Mike C Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: East Sussex and Sometimes North Yorks. and sometimes in between! Posts: 231 Members Car: Skoda Octavia VRS Thanks: 32 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Speak rattle Think you'd probably have to change the HU to add a sub... might be wrong tho as I seem to be that today! I'd have thought the sub would be a more expensive option as you'd need an amp unless you get the active system like your suggesting and then need to route the cable from the fron of the car and battery to the boot. You'd also need an equiliser / filter to process the sound to the standard front speakers. If you ask me, the best place to start is to change the fronts to something that can handle a bit more bass and then think about upgrading the HU to get the full benefit of the new speakers. __________________ Octavia Mk 1 VRS, Black Magic

06-06-2007, 17:00	#13
iain Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the great north west Posts: 227 Members Car: octavia Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Speak rattle you can get get an adaptor for the skoda headunit to plug a sub in. it goes in next to the cd changer on the back wether it is any good I don't know.

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