Upgrading front ARB

bf1 · 07-05-2006, 17:49

I am thinking of changing the front ARB on my VRs. I have standard suspension with a 25mm rear ARB (Neuspeed) fitted. I was going to buy the 22mm Neuspeed front ARB but then I found a post on here that listed the part numbers for the R32 front ARB. This is 23mm and seems to be considerably cheaper, what I would like to know is:
Will it be as effective?
Is it any easier/harder to fit?

Can anyone give me a step by step guide to the removal of the existing ARB and the fitting of the new?
I believe the front subframe has to be dropped and the steering column needs to be loosened.

Any advice gratefully received

Cheers

Brian

love that turbo · 08-05-2006, 08:29

What is the part no. of the R32 ARB
Need to change mine cause i need to

Thanks

bf1 · 08-05-2006, 18:38

This was what I found on a previous post.

Just checked the front Anti-roll bar on my 03 Octy vRS, bar diameter is 18mm, I believe that the best upgrade for the front is to put on the R32 bar which is 23 mm ( there are 3 so the part number that you want for the vRS is 1JO 411 305 AF - £54.45, the rubber bushes are 1JO 411 314T - 3.72 Each 2 required, ARB Clips 1JO 411 336D - £4.13 2 required and screws if required as you can probably reuse existing ones N10 101 603 - 4 required @ £0.48) Thought that this may help some as those who have fitted 25mm to the front seem to find it a bit too stiff so the 23mm is probably ideal.

Anyone offer any help on a step by step guide please?

Cheers

Brian

MC Bodge · 09-05-2006, 09:01

What work is involved in fitting an R32 front arb?

bf1 · 15-05-2006, 22:37

Can't believe no-one can help with this, surely someone has carried out this mod?

Sheaf · 15-05-2006, 22:41

I believe the front ARB requires dropping of the rear subframe and steering rack for clearance. There are posts on this already somewhere...

SkodiRS · 15-05-2006, 22:41

Haven't done this myself but I'm lead to believe it's not an easy job.....you have to drop the front sub frame, which then will require you to have the alignment done...to be on the safe side.

Sheaf · 15-05-2006, 22:48

Try this for a start:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/octav...upgrade/52880/

MC Bodge · 15-05-2006, 23:36

If mine needs replacing anyway and it's not done undr warranty, it may have to be a DIY job....

bf1 · 16-05-2006, 07:12

Sheaf thanks for the link but I already posted on that thread. What I am trying to find out is how to change my front ARB for a Golf R32 ARB. If I buy the VW parts to do this I will get no fitting instructions but it will be much cheaper than the Neuspeed front ARB, the Neuspeed does however come with fitting instructions. What I am hoping is that someone can describe the operation so I can use the Golf ARB.
Thanks
Brian

***ColinD*** · 16-05-2006, 08:42

It's a good 2 hour job for front ARB, easier with ramps for topics mentioned above.

I have the neuspeed front and rear, rear is a diy or additional 20 quid and hassle free.

on std RS setup, well they transform the car again...well worth doing if you enjoy flat cornering, just raise the tyre budget a bit

MC Bodge · 16-05-2006, 09:05

So, as keeps being asked:

"How do you change the front ARB?"

Could somebody cut n' paste the instructions from a VAG manual?

Sheaf · 16-05-2006, 12:45

Well, surely it's just a case of unbolting the old one, and bolting on the new one...

The only problem comes with getting them both out/in.. so you just remove anything in the way. I'd have thought it'd be pretty self explanatory if you look under the car?

By the sounds of it you need to just drop the subframe and steering rack, so if you're competant with your tools it wont be a problem.
I'd personally have it up on axel stands with the wheels off btw, not on ramps.. I'd have thought it'd be easier if the weight is off the wheels otherwise you'll get a shock when you unbolt the ARB.

MC Bodge · 16-05-2006, 12:48

Cheers, I've not had chance to look under the car as it has rained whenever I've intended to....

I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult, but any hints gained from experience are always useful!

the rear one seems the way to start anyway. I'll need to consult the insurance company again first though....

Goochie · 16-05-2006, 12:49

Perhaps you should post in Ask-A-Tech. I know the resident techie has done a few in his time

Sheaf · 16-05-2006, 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by MC Bodge

Cheers, I've not had chance to look under the car as it has rained whenever I've intended to....

I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult, but any hints gained from experience are always useful!

the rear one seems the way to start anyway. I'll need to consult the insurance company again first though....

Good luck with the insurance, my old company got confused when telling them about things which aren't 'lowering' or 'exhaust'. When I told them about a my strut brace they were most baffled... and then told me I wasn't allowed to have it

Hence I changed companies...

Cant you just claim it's an OE part and therefore not a 'mod'.... if it's all VAG parts then it's standard right?

mattbeef · 16-05-2006, 21:42

thats what id go with

MC Bodge · 16-05-2006, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheaf

Good luck with the insurance, my old company got confused when telling them about things which aren't 'lowering' or 'exhaust'.

If I tell them that it doesn't stiffen the suspension and doesn't lower it the person on the phone won't have a clue what I'm on about -But, in the event of a serious 'claim' a vehicle inspector could...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheaf

Cant you just claim it's an OE part and therefore not a 'mod'.... if it's all VAG parts then it's standard right?

I'm not sure if fitting an RS6 engine would pass that test....

A rear ARB would be obvious to anyone who knew what a normal rear suspension looked like. The front? well...

MC Bodge · 17-05-2006, 13:17

My squeek's getting worse....

sabredylan · 17-05-2006, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MC Bodge

So, as keeps being asked:

"How do you change the front ARB?"

Could somebody cut n' paste the instructions from a VAG manual?

Support the car on stands. support the engine and take off the dog bone mount. Remove the front subframe bolts, leaving the rear bolts alone. You can now pull the subframe down as the rear is on rubber bushes. Undo all rollbar mounts and slide it out whilst pulling the front subframe down. You'll need new subframe bolts as they are stretch. The torque is 100 nm plus 1/4 of a turn if I can remember. Refit your new bar the reverse and don't forget r32 roll bar bushes.

Too be honest you'll get better performance from upgrading your suspension to say kw II and keeping your standard bar. Big front bars are ok in the dry, but rubbish in the wet. proper understeer. Traction on uneven roads suffers too, as the front suspension is less indepependant. The traction light flashes like a disco

07-05-2006, 17:49	#1
bf1 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leicester Posts: 65 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Upgrading front ARB I am thinking of changing the front ARB on my VRs. I have standard suspension with a 25mm rear ARB (Neuspeed) fitted. I was going to buy the 22mm Neuspeed front ARB but then I found a post on here that listed the part numbers for the R32 front ARB. This is 23mm and seems to be considerably cheaper, what I would like to know is: Will it be as effective? Is it any easier/harder to fit? Can anyone give me a step by step guide to the removal of the existing ARB and the fitting of the new? I believe the front subframe has to be dropped and the steering column needs to be loosened. Any advice gratefully received Cheers Brian

08-05-2006, 08:29	#2
love that turbo Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cavan in Ireland Posts: 95 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Upgrading front ARB What is the part no. of the R32 ARB Need to change mine cause i need to Thanks

08-05-2006, 18:38	#3
bf1 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leicester Posts: 65 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Upgrading front ARB This was what I found on a previous post. Just checked the front Anti-roll bar on my 03 Octy vRS, bar diameter is 18mm, I believe that the best upgrade for the front is to put on the R32 bar which is 23 mm ( there are 3 so the part number that you want for the vRS is 1JO 411 305 AF - £54.45, the rubber bushes are 1JO 411 314T - 3.72 Each 2 required, ARB Clips 1JO 411 336D - £4.13 2 required and screws if required as you can probably reuse existing ones N10 101 603 - 4 required @ £0.48) Thought that this may help some as those who have fitted 25mm to the front seem to find it a bit too stiff so the 23mm is probably ideal. Anyone offer any help on a step by step guide please? Cheers Brian

09-05-2006, 09:01	#4
MC Bodge Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North West England Posts: 899 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Upgrading front ARB What work is involved in fitting an R32 front arb? __________________ Mk1 Octavia vRS. The thinking man's Hot Hatch. PS. Give Cyclists Room! We're quite vulnerable. If I can slap your window, you're too close

15-05-2006, 22:37	#5
bf1 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leicester Posts: 65 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Upgrading front ARB Can't believe no-one can help with this, surely someone has carried out this mod?

15-05-2006, 22:41	#6
Sheaf Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South UK Posts: 157 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Upgrading front ARB I believe the front ARB requires dropping of the rear subframe and steering rack for clearance. There are posts on this already somewhere... __________________ Parents: '02 Octavia 1.9TDi Me: '99 V Honda Accord Type-R

15-05-2006, 22:41	#7
SkodiRS BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: darkest Hampshire Posts: 8,650 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Upgrading front ARB Haven't done this myself but I'm lead to believe it's not an easy job.....you have to drop the front sub frame, which then will require you to have the alignment done...to be on the safe side. __________________ Adrian.

15-05-2006, 22:48	#8
Sheaf Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South UK Posts: 157 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Upgrading front ARB Try this for a start: http://www.briskoda.net/forums/octav...upgrade/52880/ __________________ Parents: '02 Octavia 1.9TDi Me: '99 V Honda Accord Type-R

15-05-2006, 23:36	#9
MC Bodge Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North West England Posts: 899 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Upgrading front ARB If mine needs replacing anyway and it's not done undr warranty, it may have to be a DIY job.... __________________ Mk1 Octavia vRS. The thinking man's Hot Hatch. PS. Give Cyclists Room! We're quite vulnerable. If I can slap your window, you're too close

16-05-2006, 07:12	#10
bf1 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leicester Posts: 65 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Upgrading front ARB Sheaf thanks for the link but I already posted on that thread. What I am trying to find out is how to change my front ARB for a Golf R32 ARB. If I buy the VW parts to do this I will get no fitting instructions but it will be much cheaper than the Neuspeed front ARB, the Neuspeed does however come with fitting instructions. What I am hoping is that someone can describe the operation so I can use the Golf ARB. Thanks Brian

16-05-2006, 08:42	#11
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,218 Thanks: 22 Thanked 140 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Upgrading front ARB It's a good 2 hour job for front ARB, easier with ramps for topics mentioned above. I have the neuspeed front and rear, rear is a diy or additional 20 quid and hassle free. on std RS setup, well they transform the car again...well worth doing if you enjoy flat cornering, just raise the tyre budget a bit __________________ ColinD - 97/100 Limited Edition Octavia vRS < For Sale www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner. E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

16-05-2006, 09:05	#12
MC Bodge Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North West England Posts: 899 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Upgrading front ARB So, as keeps being asked: "How do you change the front ARB?" Could somebody cut n' paste the instructions from a VAG manual? __________________ Mk1 Octavia vRS. The thinking man's Hot Hatch. PS. Give Cyclists Room! We're quite vulnerable. If I can slap your window, you're too close

16-05-2006, 12:45	#13
Sheaf Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South UK Posts: 157 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Upgrading front ARB Well, surely it's just a case of unbolting the old one, and bolting on the new one... The only problem comes with getting them both out/in.. so you just remove anything in the way. I'd have thought it'd be pretty self explanatory if you look under the car? By the sounds of it you need to just drop the subframe and steering rack, so if you're competant with your tools it wont be a problem. I'd personally have it up on axel stands with the wheels off btw, not on ramps.. I'd have thought it'd be easier if the weight is off the wheels otherwise you'll get a shock when you unbolt the ARB. __________________ Parents: '02 Octavia 1.9TDi Me: '99 V Honda Accord Type-R

16-05-2006, 12:48	#14
MC Bodge Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North West England Posts: 899 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Upgrading front ARB Cheers, I've not had chance to look under the car as it has rained whenever I've intended to.... I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult, but any hints gained from experience are always useful! the rear one seems the way to start anyway. I'll need to consult the insurance company again first though.... __________________ Mk1 Octavia vRS. The thinking man's Hot Hatch. PS. Give Cyclists Room! We're quite vulnerable. If I can slap your window, you're too close Last edited by MC Bodge; 16-05-2006 at 12:55.

16-05-2006, 12:49	#15
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,376 Thanks: 7 Thanked 28 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Upgrading front ARB Perhaps you should post in Ask-A-Tech. I know the resident techie has done a few in his time

16-05-2006, 21:42	#17
mattbeef Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sheffield Posts: 3,353 Thanks: 38 Thanked 116 Times in 115 Posts	Re: Upgrading front ARB thats what id go with

17-05-2006, 13:17	#19
MC Bodge Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North West England Posts: 899 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Upgrading front ARB My squeek's getting worse.... __________________ Mk1 Octavia vRS. The thinking man's Hot Hatch. PS. Give Cyclists Room! We're quite vulnerable. If I can slap your window, you're too close

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