Wheels spinning but asr is on!!

jimmyv · 02-02-2006, 01:45

Not sure if its a major problem (no warning lights on) but I am able to spin the front wheels even though the asr is on. Have only noticed it since I had a service and my alloys replaced. Could something have been disconnected and why isn't the warning light on? Out of warranty so would like to avoid dealer if posssible (unless they caused it).

Lummox · 02-02-2006, 08:02

So lets get this straight. With the button not pressed on the dash you can spin the wheels, yes?

How much wheel spin? Remember much like ABS which has to lock to be able to release ASR has to let the wheels spin to realise they are.

Are you running the same size tyres on the new wheels?

Octygone · 02-02-2006, 08:13

Mine spin then the the engine shuts down to get over it .....rubbish tyres don't help me though

WW_VRS · 02-02-2006, 09:03

If the ASR light is lit up it means it's turned OFF not on. Dunno if yours is lit or not, but that's the first thing.

Secondly ASR reduces the output of the engine a bit, but only within certain limits. I can easily get wheelspin in my Fabia vRS with ESP, as if it's slippery it will still spin for a little bit.

Right-foot control tends to sort this out though

Goochie · 02-02-2006, 09:12

Could be a failing MAF sensor or slpit hose.

I had the same symptom recently where the ASR light would come on to indicate that it was not enabled. Cleaning the MAF and changing a split hose solved the problem.

Other Briskoda users have had the same sympton with a failing MAF sensor.

A new MAF is £80 from Skoda/VW

How is the car idling? SHortly before mine started playing up it began to "hunt" for it's idle speed by about 75-100 rpm either side of where it was aiming for. You may be able to see the needle on the rev counter wandering around slightly.

Joel_vRS · 02-02-2006, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goochie

Could be a failing MAF sensor or slpit hose.

I had the same symptom recently where the ASR light would come on to indicate that it was not enabled. Cleaning the MAF and changing a split hose solved the problem.

Other Briskoda users have had the same sympton with a failing MAF sensor.

A new MAF is £80 from Skoda/VW

How is the car idling? SHortly before mine started playing up it began to "hunt" for it's idle speed by about 75-100 rpm either side of where it was aiming for. You may be able to see the needle on the rev counter wandering around slightly.

genius.... broken pipe and broken MAF clealry is the route of every problem...

TBH id guess there is no problem having the traction control on (light off) does not mean the wheels dont spin never ever! its all realtive they simply spin less then if it was off (light on) and if you really push it the ECU takes power off the engine stopping the spin... i wouldn't worry about it...tyre and road conditions have alot to do with it... new tyres tend to be slippy until there beaded in....

Joel

jimmyv · 02-02-2006, 14:25

When pulling away at pace I can keep the wheels spinnng (as without asr) the asr light flashes to kindly tell me that I am wheel spinning but it never seems to cut in to stop it. I know the roads are greasy but the point of traction control is to stop this. In the past all I got was a small squeak from the tyres and then less power and maybe a slight judder. The alloys were replaced but are still standard so shouldn't have a bearing on this problem.

Goochie · 02-02-2006, 14:27

Sorry - I misunderstood. Thought the light was on all the time.

KentStu · 02-02-2006, 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyv

When pulling away at pace I can keep the wheels spinnng (as without asr) the asr light flashes to kindly tell me that I am wheel spinning but it never seems to cut in to stop it. I know the roads are greasy but the point of traction control is to stop this. In the past all I got was a small squeak from the tyres and then less power and maybe a slight judder. The alloys were replaced but are still standard so shouldn't have a bearing on this problem.

I would say its just the state of the roads / temperatures. I've suffered a bit from this sort of thing recently ... but then every day for about the last 3 weeks i've looked at the temperature guage and its been 2 degrees or less which is probably the real explanation (i.e. cold tyres, icy or gritty roads and a heavyish foot

).

medichugh · 12-04-2006, 22:19

heres one for you then i just had to have my ASR unit replaced as my car was trying to throw me off the road on bends. Took it into my local dealer thinking i had had a suspension failure to be told that my ASR was faulty and was applying the brakes at the werong time. (Apparantly ASR works by applying the brakes for a fraction of a second to the slipping wheel). Scary, it was to drive it when that was faulty i can tell you. Whilst i waitied for the part to be supplied ot my local dealer i was advised to drive with ASr disabled which made it a lot safer. It might be a faulty ASr unit ?

bengie · 12-04-2006, 23:11

wheel spin???

i don't seem to get this in my octavaia, is something wrong with mine???

Ianto · 14-04-2006, 13:31

On a similar note, sometimes when my car is warm my vrs hunts about 100-150rpm on idle.

Also when cold on idle the revs stutter now and again and then it all settles down.

Ian

davethefish · 14-04-2006, 15:20

Hi, to go back to the original post by 'jimmv', i have a similar reaction to my right foot in my vRS. Light on or light off the wheels will spin at times and sometimes quite violently shuddering or skipping (as if a suspension strut was broken) however my car does try to cope with it by reducing engine power, i find it applies the brakes in this scenario ONLY when i'm pulling out whilst turning (i.e out of a T-junction).

Secondly, (and i'm sure some of you have) has anyone tried left foot braking in fast corners, if you apply a little pressure and hold, the car then adds extra braking equally all round to slow you down... Very clever and great if your going too quick, IF your quick enough and light enough with the left foot, we don't want to spinn off the road...

DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME or ON SMALL ROADS....

once again, great forum.

vrssteve · 14-04-2006, 16:02

Doh....wrong forum....

Lummox · 14-04-2006, 16:11

On VAG cars left foot braking isnt really possible is it?

When you touch the brake it cuts the throttle.

02-02-2006, 01:45	#1
jimmyv Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: midlands UK Posts: 15 Members Car: VRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wheels spinning but asr is on!! Not sure if its a major problem (no warning lights on) but I am able to spin the front wheels even though the asr is on. Have only noticed it since I had a service and my alloys replaced. Could something have been disconnected and why isn't the warning light on? Out of warranty so would like to avoid dealer if posssible (unless they caused it).

02-02-2006, 08:02	#2
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,497 Members Car: Mk2 Golf GTi 16v and building a 20VT MK2. Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 760 Times in 638 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! So lets get this straight. With the button not pressed on the dash you can spin the wheels, yes? How much wheel spin? Remember much like ABS which has to lock to be able to release ASR has to let the wheels spin to realise they are. Are you running the same size tyres on the new wheels? __________________ www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

02-02-2006, 08:13	#3
Octygone Old Git Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,827 Members Car: Octavia II tdi ..for now Thanks: 182 Thanked 116 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! Mine spin then the the engine shuts down to get over it .....rubbish tyres don't help me though __________________

02-02-2006, 09:03	#4
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,873 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 86 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! If the ASR light is lit up it means it's turned OFF not on. Dunno if yours is lit or not, but that's the first thing. Secondly ASR reduces the output of the engine a bit, but only within certain limits. I can easily get wheelspin in my Fabia vRS with ESP, as if it's slippery it will still spin for a little bit. Right-foot control tends to sort this out though __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

02-02-2006, 09:12	#5
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! Could be a failing MAF sensor or slpit hose. I had the same symptom recently where the ASR light would come on to indicate that it was not enabled. Cleaning the MAF and changing a split hose solved the problem. Other Briskoda users have had the same sympton with a failing MAF sensor. A new MAF is £80 from Skoda/VW How is the car idling? SHortly before mine started playing up it began to "hunt" for it's idle speed by about 75-100 rpm either side of where it was aiming for. You may be able to see the needle on the rev counter wandering around slightly. Last edited by Goochie; 02-02-2006 at 09:14.

02-02-2006, 14:25	#7
jimmyv Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: midlands UK Posts: 15 Members Car: VRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! When pulling away at pace I can keep the wheels spinnng (as without asr) the asr light flashes to kindly tell me that I am wheel spinning but it never seems to cut in to stop it. I know the roads are greasy but the point of traction control is to stop this. In the past all I got was a small squeak from the tyres and then less power and maybe a slight judder. The alloys were replaced but are still standard so shouldn't have a bearing on this problem.

02-02-2006, 14:27	#8
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! Sorry - I misunderstood. Thought the light was on all the time.

12-04-2006, 22:19	#10
medichugh Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 18 Members Car: Octavia Vrs Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! heres one for you then i just had to have my ASR unit replaced as my car was trying to throw me off the road on bends. Took it into my local dealer thinking i had had a suspension failure to be told that my ASR was faulty and was applying the brakes at the werong time. (Apparantly ASR works by applying the brakes for a fraction of a second to the slipping wheel). Scary, it was to drive it when that was faulty i can tell you. Whilst i waitied for the part to be supplied ot my local dealer i was advised to drive with ASr disabled which made it a lot safer. It might be a faulty ASr unit ?

12-04-2006, 23:11	#11
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,256 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! wheel spin??? i don't seem to get this in my octavaia, is something wrong with mine??? __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

14-04-2006, 13:31	#12
Ianto Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 146 Members Car: Y Reg,Red Octavia Vrs Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! On a similar note, sometimes when my car is warm my vrs hunts about 100-150rpm on idle. Also when cold on idle the revs stutter now and again and then it all settles down. Ian __________________

14-04-2006, 15:20	#13
davethefish Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North West, Bolton. Posts: 76 Members Car: Fabia Vrs 05, Xenon, cruise control, parking sensors. Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! Hi, to go back to the original post by 'jimmv', i have a similar reaction to my right foot in my vRS. Light on or light off the wheels will spin at times and sometimes quite violently shuddering or skipping (as if a suspension strut was broken) however my car does try to cope with it by reducing engine power, i find it applies the brakes in this scenario ONLY when i'm pulling out whilst turning (i.e out of a T-junction). Secondly, (and i'm sure some of you have) has anyone tried left foot braking in fast corners, if you apply a little pressure and hold, the car then adds extra braking equally all round to slow you down... Very clever and great if your going too quick, IF your quick enough and light enough with the left foot, we don't want to spinn off the road... DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME or ON SMALL ROADS.... once again, great forum.

14-04-2006, 16:02	#14
vrssteve Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Exeter Posts: 109 Members Car: 1975 P6 Rover 3500 auto, and Fabia vRS in black Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! Doh....wrong forum.... Last edited by vrssteve; 14-04-2006 at 16:19.

14-04-2006, 16:11	#15
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,497 Members Car: Mk2 Golf GTi 16v and building a 20VT MK2. Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 760 Times in 638 Posts	Re: Wheels spinning but asr is on!! On VAG cars left foot braking isnt really possible is it? When you touch the brake it cuts the throttle. __________________ www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

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