Makefish

Or more to the point, how far can you go modifying a car (in this case the MkI Octavia vRS) before you change it so much that the Octy is only an Octy in all but bodywork appearance?

For example (and this aint a dig I promise ) how can Des's car still be classified as an Octy vRS when the entire running gear has been changed from engine to gearbox and everything else come to that?

I posted it in this forum in particular as there are probably more MkI Octavia's that have undergone extensive surgery than any other Skoda model but the same applies to pretty much anything else so I'll ask a simple question, how far can you modify before it's no longer representative of the original model?

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Ender

It depends, a bogo VRS is the package, des has changed alot but still it looks like a VRS the dash is VRS, what make's a VRS a VRS? the engine and running gear? the shell? the chassis?.

In des's case his VRS is deffo a hybrid of something angry!

Still on my long lonely days at impossible it gives me something to look at! and that brings me to the case and point.

At impossible their is a Ferrari! a yellow one only thing is its actuely an MR2 thats been sent away and had all of the panels changed to resemble a ferrari, for me this car is no longer an MR2 or a Ferrari its a hunk of junk where as Des's car is not a hunk of junk but a evolution of an already good car made better.

So IMHO no matter what you do your car is still what it says on the tin, IE des's is still an Octy VRS and that MR2/ferrari is still a MR2.

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smstext

i personally think once you start replacing engines as thats the heart of the vehicle. you dont take a fiesta and put a burgatti engine in it, just like you dont get a zonda and stick a corsa 1.2l engine in it. once it gets to that stage your basically driving the car the engine is out of with the shell of what you started with.

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Ender

for sure but when you drive your Zonda down the street with your corsa engine people will say look its a Zonda and same with the fiesta, put a Bugatti engine in it and people will say look theirs a Fiesta just before you warp drive away!

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smstext

but you see what im saying it basically becomes a kit car like the kids in the early 90's with their cosworth bodykits on their 1.6 gl's and shark fin spoilers.

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Ender

hehe yea im with you

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delcac

A list for you Mr Fish.

Non vRS parts
suspension
front brakes
rear discs and pads
front hubs
drive sharfts
gearbox
diff
gear linkage and selector
starter
block
sump
pistons
crank
rods
cams
valves
valve springs
head
FMIC
Intake manifold
injectors
intake and filter
MAF
turbo
wastgate
exhaust manifold
down pipe and exhaust
catch tank
boost controller
DV
pipe work
fuel pump and swirl pot
upper and lower strut brace
n249 bypass
front and rear anti roll bars
bushes all round
seats
steering wheel
seat belts
lights and bulbs
boost gauge
AFR gauge
water temp gauge
oil pressure gauge
EGT gauge
boost controller head unit
power meters
wheel colour
rear wing
front splitter
bonnet pins

Appart from that everything else is from a vRS.

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skinnyman

In the days I used to drive Capris, they stopped being true Capris for me when a Cosworth engine or a Rover V8 was implanted. They then turned into something else, not quite Capri enough for me to approve, but still they resembled the original car.
If a vRS still has it's original engine block, then in my small and bizarre brain I can accept it as still a vRS albeit an evolution of the original. As soon as it's 'heart' is replaced it is no longer as God (or Skoda) intended.

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Beretta

Going along with your thinking about the heart of the car, if you map an Octy vRS (Mk1 or Mk2), then you alter its heart beat, and make it beat faster than it was designed to do, then even a mapped car must be classed as a non vRS.

Alter the suspension, and you alter the way it walks, so again a non vRS.

Add a Cai and you alter the way it breathes, so again a non vRS.

You can argue this about any car, be it an Evo, Scooby, or even a Fabia vRS.

If its modified, then its modified, but it still retains the shape of the original car, so its still a VRS, especially to people who see it as such, and try to take it on the motorway or the track, and then ring the Samaritans when they fail.

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delcac

Pontiac - top fuel funny car.

Same body.

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