1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again

ednmra · 11-10-2008, 12:24

I'm getting some serious quotes now on trading in my 2.0FSI for a new 1.8T, (both Elegance hatches). Apparently you can't get a new 2.0FSI manual Elegance anymore, at least through normal channels!

I've been offered 0% finance 3 years, and 3 years free servicing.
With metallic paint it appears, so far, it is going to cost me £222 per month.

Has anyone driven both types quite a bit, and can give me a brief rundown on the comparison (I know the 1.8T is 10bhp up, but that is all I know about it.)

Obviously I'm going to try to find one to drive first but I hear it is very good.
Thanks.

Babs · 11-10-2008, 12:56

1.8TSI is a much better engine!

More power, more torque, and more economical

claytarget_god · 11-10-2008, 13:06

a 1.8turbo, more economical than a 2.0 NA??? spose it depends on how you drive it. i would also look at the tax bands mate,

Babs · 11-10-2008, 13:47

Yes

That's why manufacturers are down-sizing engines and adding turbo chargers. Increased efficiency, and increased torque mean less use of the loud pedal needed!

ednmra · 11-10-2008, 14:25

Apparently the 1.8T is listed as more economical on average by about 4 mpg, but I do lowish mileage so no big deal. The 2.0FSI can be amazingly economical. I've seen 49.8 on the computer readout once, on a fairly average drive, and usually get low to mid 40's without trying hard. I do use Tesco 99 though!

I'll probably close a deal, one way or t'other, next week.

redbaron · 11-10-2008, 14:38

surely you would wait for the facelift now?

ednmra · 11-10-2008, 15:11

Not too bothered about facelift. More interested in a sharp deal in these difficult times for retailers!
p.s. future tax band seems better than 2.0FSI

woodenspatulas · 11-10-2008, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by ednmra

I'm getting some serious quotes now on trading in my 2.0FSI for a new 1.8T, (both Elegance hatches). Apparently you can't get a new 2.0FSI manual Elegance anymore, at least through normal channels!

I've been offered 0% finance 3 years, and 3 years free servicing.

With metallic paint it appears, so far, it is going to cost me £222 per month.

Has anyone driven both types quite a bit, and can give me a brief rundown on the comparison (I know the 1.8T is 10bhp up, but that is all I know about it.)

Obviously I'm going to try to find one to drive first but I hear it is very good.

Thanks.

i would ring them this second and buy that, as theres no 0 percent finance or free servicing on my campaign this month!

claytarget_god · 11-10-2008, 19:04

mmm in the book it says the 1.8 t is better but in practice i cant see it as soon as the turbo is near (2-3000rpm) the mpg goes thru the floor, well at least in my mk 1.8T vRS it does and i am all for mpg.

end of the day it is down to you mate

redbaron · 11-10-2008, 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by claytarget_god

mmm in the book it says the 1.8 t is better but in practice i cant see it as soon as the turbo is near (2-3000rpm) the mpg goes thru the floor, well at least in my mk 1.8T vRS it does and i am all for mpg.

end of the day it is down to you mate

2 different engines one is 10 yr old design with 5v per cyl and tuned for high performance, one is direct injection, variable valve timing and 10 year newer design tuned for economy and driveability.

brad1.8T · 12-10-2008, 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by claytarget_god

mmm in the book it says the 1.8 t is better but in practice i cant see it as soon as the turbo is near (2-3000rpm) the mpg goes thru the floor, well at least in my mk 1.8T vRS it does and i am all for mpg.

end of the day it is down to you mate

You've got yesterdays technology.

Why I love my 1.8TSI:

Has great torque from 1700rpm upwards.
Has great fuel economy. On 98RON I'm averaging 7.0L/100 since new (6300km) and the last 200km it's sat on 6.6L/100km.
Factory standard 95ron if I feel like being a tightwad.
It's just an easy to drive, long-legged vehicle that's great for crap NSW roads & long distances.

I drove the 2.0NA Golf before buying the Skoda - the Golf was OK but didn't have the low-down torque of the 1.8TSI.

claytarget_god · 12-10-2008, 11:34

i stand corrected
cheers.

Babs · 12-10-2008, 13:10

claytarget - the new 1.8 turbo is a much better "all-round" engine than our aging 20v's

sebulbus · 12-10-2008, 18:12

The new 1.8 TSI is very different to the old one.

I'd have the turbo every time. Much more enjoyable to drive.

bengie · 12-10-2008, 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbaron

2 different engines one is 10 yr old design with 5v per cyl and tuned for high performance, one is direct injection, variable valve timing and 10 year newer design tuned for economy and driveability.

my 1.8t has variable valve timing

ednmra · 17-10-2008, 12:28

The deed is done! A Cappuccino 1.8TSi hatchback on its way - hope to pick up about the 28th.
Be interesting to see the difference - especially as I've never driven this engine before! I guess everything else would feel roughly the same.

Have there been any other noticeable changes/improvements between 2005 and now? E.g. gearbox, handling or anything like that?

slick123 · 17-10-2008, 14:16

Congratulations, you won't regret it, believe me.

In my country the differences were:
- different fog lights
- AUX jack in the Jumbo box
- MP3 audio system
- 6spd gearbox vs. 5spd in my old Octy

Nothing big, really.

ednmra · 17-10-2008, 14:44

My existing Octavia already has 6 spd gearbox but I am looking forward to the new engine.

bengie · 17-10-2008, 17:15

no offence meant to Slick here but his post means nothing to you as the specs change considerably between countries.

ednmra · 17-10-2008, 17:31

I thought that might be the case.

By the way, if anyone wants a pretty nice 2.0FSI manual hatch, under 28000 miles, look into West Sussex Motors some time after about Nov. 4th

smstext · 17-10-2008, 18:38

have you thought about seeing if you could get rid of it on here quickly and maybe get more money than the part ex?

**delcac** · 17-10-2008, 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by bengie

my 1.8t has variable valve timing

Your engine has variable positions on the floor.

ednmra · 17-10-2008, 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by smstext

have you thought about seeing if you could get rid of it on here quickly and maybe get more money than the part ex?

No, I hadn't thought of that. Bit late now, deposit has gone in etc.
I don't know what their mark up is but it could turn out to be a pretty good buy possibly.

bengie · 17-10-2008, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by delcac

Your engine has variable positions on the floor.

both of them!

11-10-2008, 12:24	#1
ednmra Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: south east Posts: 1,246 Members Car: 2005 2.0FSI hatch elegance Thanks: 9 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again I'm getting some serious quotes now on trading in my 2.0FSI for a new 1.8T, (both Elegance hatches). Apparently you can't get a new 2.0FSI manual Elegance anymore, at least through normal channels! I've been offered 0% finance 3 years, and 3 years free servicing. With metallic paint it appears, so far, it is going to cost me £222 per month. Has anyone driven both types quite a bit, and can give me a brief rundown on the comparison (I know the 1.8T is 10bhp up, but that is all I know about it.) Obviously I'm going to try to find one to drive first but I hear it is very good. Thanks.

11-10-2008, 12:56	#2
Babs Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newport/Preston Posts: 4,153 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Thanks: 216 Thanked 139 Times in 123 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again 1.8TSI is a much better engine! More power, more torque, and more economical __________________ - Andrew Octavia vRS For Sale / Bosch Rotary Polisher For Sale

11-10-2008, 13:06	#3
claytarget_god Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cardiff Posts: 739 Members Car: Black Octy vRS (216bhp ish) Images: 5 Thanks: 58 Thanked 29 Times in 29 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again a 1.8turbo, more economical than a 2.0 NA??? spose it depends on how you drive it. i would also look at the tax bands mate, __________________ Done: PowerFlex Dogbone Bushes,Forge FMIC,CAI,forge DV, Longlife 200cel Cat 2.5" cat-back,Weitec GT coilovers,Whiteline 22mm ARB and S3 Front Lower Brace,SuperPRO Wishbone/Front ARB Bushes,Remap,LCR Front Splitter, Milotec front grills,EBC grooved/dimpled Discs,Black Diamond Predator Pads,18" Team Dynamic Pro Race 1.2(StarSilver) To Do: TIP,Tinted Windows, Front Bumper: Milotec Side Vents,Milotec Rear Bumper Splitter, RSTuning Custom Remap.

11-10-2008, 13:47	#4
Babs Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newport/Preston Posts: 4,153 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Thanks: 216 Thanked 139 Times in 123 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again Yes That's why manufacturers are down-sizing engines and adding turbo chargers. Increased efficiency, and increased torque mean less use of the loud pedal needed! __________________ - Andrew Octavia vRS For Sale / Bosch Rotary Polisher For Sale

11-10-2008, 14:25	#5
ednmra Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: south east Posts: 1,246 Members Car: 2005 2.0FSI hatch elegance Thanks: 9 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again Apparently the 1.8T is listed as more economical on average by about 4 mpg, but I do lowish mileage so no big deal. The 2.0FSI can be amazingly economical. I've seen 49.8 on the computer readout once, on a fairly average drive, and usually get low to mid 40's without trying hard. I do use Tesco 99 though! I'll probably close a deal, one way or t'other, next week.

11-10-2008, 14:38	#6
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,568 Members Car: Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again surely you would wait for the facelift now? __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

11-10-2008, 15:11	#7
ednmra Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: south east Posts: 1,246 Members Car: 2005 2.0FSI hatch elegance Thanks: 9 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again Not too bothered about facelift. More interested in a sharp deal in these difficult times for retailers! p.s. future tax band seems better than 2.0FSI

11-10-2008, 19:04	#9
claytarget_god Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cardiff Posts: 739 Members Car: Black Octy vRS (216bhp ish) Images: 5 Thanks: 58 Thanked 29 Times in 29 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again mmm in the book it says the 1.8 t is better but in practice i cant see it as soon as the turbo is near (2-3000rpm) the mpg goes thru the floor, well at least in my mk 1.8T vRS it does and i am all for mpg. end of the day it is down to you mate __________________ Done: PowerFlex Dogbone Bushes,Forge FMIC,CAI,forge DV, Longlife 200cel Cat 2.5" cat-back,Weitec GT coilovers,Whiteline 22mm ARB and S3 Front Lower Brace,SuperPRO Wishbone/Front ARB Bushes,Remap,LCR Front Splitter, Milotec front grills,EBC grooved/dimpled Discs,Black Diamond Predator Pads,18" Team Dynamic Pro Race 1.2(StarSilver) To Do: TIP,Tinted Windows, Front Bumper: Milotec Side Vents,Milotec Rear Bumper Splitter, RSTuning Custom Remap.

12-10-2008, 11:34	#12
claytarget_god Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cardiff Posts: 739 Members Car: Black Octy vRS (216bhp ish) Images: 5 Thanks: 58 Thanked 29 Times in 29 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again i stand corrected cheers. __________________ Done: PowerFlex Dogbone Bushes,Forge FMIC,CAI,forge DV, Longlife 200cel Cat 2.5" cat-back,Weitec GT coilovers,Whiteline 22mm ARB and S3 Front Lower Brace,SuperPRO Wishbone/Front ARB Bushes,Remap,LCR Front Splitter, Milotec front grills,EBC grooved/dimpled Discs,Black Diamond Predator Pads,18" Team Dynamic Pro Race 1.2(StarSilver) To Do: TIP,Tinted Windows, Front Bumper: Milotec Side Vents,Milotec Rear Bumper Splitter, RSTuning Custom Remap.

12-10-2008, 13:10	#13
Babs Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newport/Preston Posts: 4,153 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Thanks: 216 Thanked 139 Times in 123 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again claytarget - the new 1.8 turbo is a much better "all-round" engine than our aging 20v's __________________ - Andrew Octavia vRS For Sale / Bosch Rotary Polisher For Sale

12-10-2008, 18:12	#14
sebulbus Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: .ro Posts: 536 Members Car: Thanks: 8 Thanked 38 Times in 30 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again The new 1.8 TSI is very different to the old one. I'd have the turbo every time. Much more enjoyable to drive. __________________ Milk Inc's newest #1 fan

17-10-2008, 12:28	#16
ednmra Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: south east Posts: 1,246 Members Car: 2005 2.0FSI hatch elegance Thanks: 9 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again The deed is done! A Cappuccino 1.8TSi hatchback on its way - hope to pick up about the 28th. Be interesting to see the difference - especially as I've never driven this engine before! I guess everything else would feel roughly the same. Have there been any other noticeable changes/improvements between 2005 and now? E.g. gearbox, handling or anything like that?

17-10-2008, 14:16	#17
slick123 Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Slovenia Posts: 9 Members Car: Octavia 1.8 TSI Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again Congratulations, you won't regret it, believe me. In my country the differences were: - different fog lights - AUX jack in the Jumbo box - MP3 audio system - 6spd gearbox vs. 5spd in my old Octy Nothing big, really.

17-10-2008, 14:44	#18
ednmra Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: south east Posts: 1,246 Members Car: 2005 2.0FSI hatch elegance Thanks: 9 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again My existing Octavia already has 6 spd gearbox but I am looking forward to the new engine.

17-10-2008, 17:15	#19
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,256 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again no offence meant to Slick here but his post means nothing to you as the specs change considerably between countries. __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

17-10-2008, 17:31	#20
ednmra Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: south east Posts: 1,246 Members Car: 2005 2.0FSI hatch elegance Thanks: 9 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: 1.8T vs. 2.0FSI again I thought that might be the case. By the way, if anyone wants a pretty nice 2.0FSI manual hatch, under 28000 miles, look into West Sussex Motors some time after about Nov. 4th

17-10-2008, 18:38	#21
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