1.9TDI PD or 1.6FSI

ag.morley · 04-03-2005, 20:08

Which would you go for? Both about the same performance. Economy isn't a great issue for me due to low milage

Dr Zoidberg · 04-03-2005, 20:09

Whats the cost difference?
A low mileage diesel will always be easier to sell due to rarity than a petrol

redbaron · 04-03-2005, 20:13

PD for resale.

PD for driveability.

PD for tuning.

FSI for sound / fuel price..

ag.morley · 04-03-2005, 20:15

1.9 tdi pd elegance with dsg gearbox £14999...1.6 fsi elegance manual box £12499

gamichea · 04-03-2005, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffelan

PD for resale.

PD for driveability.

PD for tuning.

FSI for sound / fuel price..

Don't all FSI engines require 98 RON e.g. Shell Optimax or similar to give of their best? Optimax is usually at least as costly as diesel round here.

skodaw · 04-03-2005, 21:11

I can't comment on the 105hp diesel with dsg - but having driven the 140hp with DSG in the A3 - its a fantastic combination.

The TDi will be more reliable than the FSi - the performance figures might not be very different,I suspect the PD will "Feel" the quicker due to the better torque characterisitcs.

If it were me chosing I would have the PD -NO CONTEST

skodaw · 04-03-2005, 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamichea

Don't all FSI engines require 98 RON e.g. Shell Optimax or similar to give of their best? Optimax is usually at least as costly as diesel round here.

Yes they require Optimax or similar to run in stratified mode - otherwise its just a very complex standard 4 cyl - which isnt very reliable.

We have seen cars as low as 50k that require full de-coke - mainly due to unsuitable driving styles and the lack of 98ron fuel.

WW_VRS · 04-03-2005, 21:22

To give their best probably yes - but for short runs you're hardly likely to use that extra power anyway... (unless you do drag racing

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psions5 · 04-03-2005, 22:30

I have been concerned about choosing the 1.6MPI for a long time, the extra power AND fuel economy of the FSI Made me think i made a bad choice, but If they are like that then I'm glad I got the MPI, Which I find to be very smooth, quiet and has a awsome engine note.

logiclee · 04-03-2005, 23:10

If you are looking at a similar purchase price then it would have to be 1.9PD.

The Diesel will offer better economy and better resale value.

They may have similar outright performance but on the road the diesel will feel far stronger and will be far quicker in gear due to the extra torque.
114lbft@4000rpm for the 1.6FSi and 184lbft@1900rpm for the 1.9PD

And if you feel like more power, the PD will be easy and cheap to mod but the FSi will leave you without any cheap options for a noticable increase in power.

Cheers
Lee

ag.morley · 05-03-2005, 07:51

How would the DSG gear box cope with a modified engine. I understand it's a complicated peice of kit?

skodaw · 05-03-2005, 09:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by ag.morley

How would the DSG gear box cope with a modified engine. I understand it's a complicated peice of kit?

The DSG box would be a limiting factor - it has a torque limit which cannot be overcome,but it may be possible to "Alter" the torque curve to give a slight improvement - you would be able to see a benefit - probably to around a little more than the 2.0 140pd.

Chatty · 05-03-2005, 11:26

Had a 02 octavia with 1.6 engine and now have 1.9 pd octavia. The diesel engine is by far the best way to go.

gamichea · 05-03-2005, 11:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by skodaw

Yes they require Optimax or similar to run in stratified mode - otherwise its just a very complex standard 4 cyl - which isnt very reliable.

We have seen cars as low as 50k that require full de-coke - mainly due to unsuitable driving styles and the lack of 98ron fuel.

Decoke!?

I havn't heard one of them mentioned in years outside of classic car circles.

skodaw · 05-03-2005, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamichea

Decoke!?

I havn't heard one of them mentioned in years outside of classic car circles.

They appear to be fine if driven hard and high miles - we've seen them over 150,000 miles no problem.

BUT if they are being driven low miles easy they suffer - which is the case for most Audi's they just are not meant to be driven like that - but the FSi esp the 2.0 FSi take it badly - a lot of people "Run them in" which just isnt needed and quite frankly causes more problems than it prevents then you've got the brigade that dont even know there car will rev above 2,500 rpm

gamichea · 05-03-2005, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by skodaw

They appear to be fine if driven hard and high miles - we've seen them over 150,000 miles no problem.

BUT if they are being driven low miles easy they suffer - which is the case for most Audi's they just are not meant to be driven like that - but the FSi esp the 2.0 FSi take it badly - a lot of people "Run them in" which just isnt needed and quite frankly causes more problems than it prevents then you've got the brigade that dont even know there car will rev above 2,500 rpm

Thanks for this Dave. I'm a dieselhead myself except when I'm out in the Alfasud.

I agree absolutely with you about velvet glove running in and never using max. revs. I've had 3 Audi 1.9 TDi's since 1992 all non PD, they've all been 'run-in' briskly progressively increasing max. revs. by 500 so they are being red-lined but not abused from 3000 miles. I am sure the often heard complaint about TDi oil consumption is usually due to poor running in. Oil consumption on these engines has never been an issue for me. On variable service my A6 has consistently gone 2 years and 23k and used a litre of 506.01 between services, adding half a litre when needed to bring back to the top of the dip stick marking.

Mike G.

ag.morley · 05-03-2005, 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ag.morley

Which would you go for? Both about the same performance. Economy isn't a great issue for me due to low milage

I have been to test drive both these cars today 1.9 TDI PD dsg Box ......................WOW... what a gear box!!!

Fully Auto,then into manual mode (while on the move) then sports mode. Excellent pick up Good fuel economy Took it back after 20 minuites and jumped into the 1.6 FSI. Drove it down the road after 5 minuites took it back, sorry not for me
felt gutless

Even though the performance is about the same the tourqe on the TDI PD is far superior

skodaw · 06-03-2005, 12:48

The torque of the diesel was always going to win - torque=acceleration bhp=top speed - combined with the DSG box it's certainly a winner.

HellFire · 06-03-2005, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by skodaw

torque=acceleration bhp=top speed - combined with the DSG box it's certainly a winner.

How come my brothers Clio 172 is the same 0-60 as mine yet it only has 150 lb/ft of torque compared with my 320 lb/ft & 195 bhp, surely 250 kg more in weight shouldnt mean it has the same 0-60/midrange, but it does.

Need to read up a bit more on gearing, power to weight ratios and the fact that petrol is a lot more explosive than diesel m'thinks

skodaw · 06-03-2005, 21:10

There are a lot of factors in how a car will perform - weight,gearing,final drive ratio,traction and also how and when the power/torque is developed.

You could have 2 cars the same weight both producing 150bhp and 150lb/ft and one might still be quicker to 60 - it depends wether its top end torque or bottom end torqu and a whole load of other factors

SilveRS · 12-03-2005, 19:32

Ok, just been reading this thread with interest. I am debating going for a 1.9tdi estate, but can have the 2.0 tdi estate for an extra 1400 quid. My question is weather it is worth paying the extra for the 2.0 tdi?

skodaw · 12-03-2005, 19:50

The answer if performance is important YES - if your more after economy then stick with the 1.9.

mdk1 · 12-03-2005, 20:38

Just incase anyone intrested, the diesel's have better towing caperbilites.

ag.morley · 12-03-2005, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilveRS

Ok, just been reading this thread with interest. I am debating going for a 1.9tdi estate, but can have the 2.0 tdi estate for an extra 1400 quid. My question is weather it is worth paying the extra for the 2.0 tdi?

I have just had a 2.0 tdI pd 140 bhp on 24 hr test drive WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get the 2.0 tdI.......

SilveRS · 12-03-2005, 21:11

ok, sounds like the 2.0 is going to be the one then. Will have to book a test drive asap
thanks

04-03-2005, 20:08	#1
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04-03-2005, 20:13	#3
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ag.morley Insecure Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: right on track........ Posts: 4,947 Members Car: Volvo 2.4 T SE XC70 Auto running on LPG Thanks: 14 Thanked 79 Times in 33 Posts	1.9 tdi pd elegance with dsg gearbox £14999...1.6 fsi elegance manual box £12499 __________________ I now own a Volvo 2.4T Automatic V70 XC 4 wheel drive, Estate, running on LPG......In a Lovely shade of Gold---THE BATTLE TANK "BRISKOLVO ".......THE UK'S ONLY MEMBER......." IT'S THE WAY FORWARD "

04-03-2005, 21:11	#6
skodaw Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: This area is under construction - please call back later :) Posts: 3,186 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	I can't comment on the 105hp diesel with dsg - but having driven the 140hp with DSG in the A3 - its a fantastic combination. The TDi will be more reliable than the FSi - the performance figures might not be very different,I suspect the PD will "Feel" the quicker due to the better torque characterisitcs. If it were me chosing I would have the PD -NO CONTEST __________________ Dave '05 Silver Fabia vRS

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WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,873 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 86 Times in 76 Posts	To give their best probably yes - but for short runs you're hardly likely to use that extra power anyway... (unless you do drag racing ) __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

04-03-2005, 22:30	#9
psions5 Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bedfordshire, England Posts: 304 Members Car: New Octavia Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have been concerned about choosing the 1.6MPI for a long time, the extra power AND fuel economy of the FSI Made me think i made a bad choice, but If they are like that then I'm glad I got the MPI, Which I find to be very smooth, quiet and has a awsome engine note. __________________ New Octavia 1.6 8v MPI, Sure the FSI is faster, but Im not a tree hugging economist hippie

04-03-2005, 23:10	#10
logiclee Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 787 Members Car: Octavia TDi Elegance, Fabia TDi Comfort Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	If you are looking at a similar purchase price then it would have to be 1.9PD. The Diesel will offer better economy and better resale value. They may have similar outright performance but on the road the diesel will feel far stronger and will be far quicker in gear due to the extra torque. 114lbft@4000rpm for the 1.6FSi and 184lbft@1900rpm for the 1.9PD And if you feel like more power, the PD will be easy and cheap to mod but the FSi will leave you without any cheap options for a noticable increase in power. Cheers Lee __________________ Another Ex-Scooby owner. Mondeo TDCi 130 6 Speed Ghia, Octavia 1.9TDi Elegance (Now Sold), Fabia 1.9TDi Comfort and Felicia 1.9D GLi

05-03-2005, 07:51	#11
ag.morley Insecure Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: right on track........ Posts: 4,947 Members Car: Volvo 2.4 T SE XC70 Auto running on LPG Thanks: 14 Thanked 79 Times in 33 Posts	How would the DSG gear box cope with a modified engine. I understand it's a complicated peice of kit? __________________ I now own a Volvo 2.4T Automatic V70 XC 4 wheel drive, Estate, running on LPG......In a Lovely shade of Gold---THE BATTLE TANK "BRISKOLVO ".......THE UK'S ONLY MEMBER......." IT'S THE WAY FORWARD "

05-03-2005, 11:26	#13
Chatty Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South uk Posts: 18 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Had a 02 octavia with 1.6 engine and now have 1.9 pd octavia. The diesel engine is by far the best way to go.

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skodaw Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: This area is under construction - please call back later :) Posts: 3,186 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	The torque of the diesel was always going to win - torque=acceleration bhp=top speed - combined with the DSG box it's certainly a winner. __________________ Dave '05 Silver Fabia vRS

06-03-2005, 21:10	#20
skodaw Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: This area is under construction - please call back later :) Posts: 3,186 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	There are a lot of factors in how a car will perform - weight,gearing,final drive ratio,traction and also how and when the power/torque is developed. You could have 2 cars the same weight both producing 150bhp and 150lb/ft and one might still be quicker to 60 - it depends wether its top end torque or bottom end torqu and a whole load of other factors __________________ Dave '05 Silver Fabia vRS

12-03-2005, 19:32	#21
SilveRS Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Manchester Posts: 638 Members Car: OctaviaII 2.0 TDI DSG L&K Estate Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Ok, just been reading this thread with interest. I am debating going for a 1.9tdi estate, but can have the 2.0 tdi estate for an extra 1400 quid. My question is weather it is worth paying the extra for the 2.0 tdi?

12-03-2005, 19:50	#22
skodaw Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: This area is under construction - please call back later :) Posts: 3,186 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	The answer if performance is important YES - if your more after economy then stick with the 1.9. __________________ Dave '05 Silver Fabia vRS

12-03-2005, 20:38	#23
mdk1 go green Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Rochester, Kent Posts: 4,181 Members Car: Roomy 3 & Fabia Thanks: 166 Thanked 133 Times in 117 Posts	Just incase anyone intrested, the diesel's have better towing caperbilites. __________________ Mike. Mine Skoda Roomster 3 TDI in matallic Anthracite Grey MKLJK Swmbo's Skoda Fabia 2.0I Elegance in Dark matallic Blue MKLJK

12-03-2005, 21:11	#25
SilveRS Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Manchester Posts: 638 Members Car: OctaviaII 2.0 TDI DSG L&K Estate Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	ok, sounds like the 2.0 is going to be the one then. Will have to book a test drive asap thanks

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